Think Different 186: The Numbers All Go to Eleven

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Re: Think Different 186: The Numbers All Go to Eleven

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lieph82 wrote:I wonder if offering a fixed-point help option like taking the eleven gives an advantage to those who sign up later, who have a better idea of how many people will be participating. Perhaps a help that gives a number of points that is a function of the number of participants (20% of number of participants, or something like that) would be more fair.
I was one of the earlier sign-ups, and I was assuming that this would be like the last (and first) TD I was in, where even when I got the sheep, it was only worth 7 or 8, so I took the 11 on the question I thought I was likely to get wrong. I didn't consider using it on multiple questions because I thought it was against the rules.

On the Olympics question, I was considering Austria but thought more people would go for something more obscure and went with Netherlands. Wrong choice, of course.
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Re: Think Different 186: The Numbers All Go to Eleven

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goforthetie wrote:You can always normalize so that the sheep score is a fixed amount. That should work no matter the number of entrants.
Yup. It's been done on TDs, but not in recent memory.
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Re: First bonus. Worth a reduction of 1 point.

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Bob78164 wrote:I thought I gave the full correct answer. Am I misremembering? --Bob
You did indeed. My apologies.
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Re: That Extra Push Over the Cliff

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Vermonter wrote: Question 7. MUSIC. (results) (standings)

Ordered alphabetically, name one of the first 11 songs in the canon of The Beatles, as released on studio albums or on Anthology. Leading articles ("A", "An") do NOT count as part of the title for purposes of this question (so "A Hard Day's Night" won't work).
For the curious among us. (At least I was.)

There are 4 songs in the canon of The Beatles that start with the leading article "A," while none start with "An."
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A Taste of Honey
A Hard Day's Night
A Day in the Life
A Beginning (I wasn't familiar with this one. It's an instrumental lead-in that appears on Anthology 3.)
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Re: Think Different 186: The Numbers All Go to Eleven

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RandyG wrote:
goforthetie wrote:You can always normalize so that the sheep score is a fixed amount. That should work no matter the number of entrants.
Yup. It's been done on TDs, but not in recent memory.
Do you mean the sheep garners a specific score? Or a wrong answer?

I've made a more detailed post in the TD Guidelines thread, so as not to hijack this one.
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Question 11. BUSINESS.

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Name a company in the top 11 in terms of market capitalization of those based in the United States as of March 31, 2014. Market capitalization is the total value of the issued shares of a publicly traded company, and is often used as a proxy measure for the company's value.

In twelfth was PROTCER & GAMBLE ($218.5 billion).

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PEANUT GALLERY: No real surprises here.

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Correct responses

#2. EXXON MOBIL (XOM) - $422.1 billion - 13 responses
Bob78164, chalupabatman786, Creed Bratton, dnbguy, HeathenBenny, jeffwolfe, Lars, Lilac, Magna, nserven, seattlecyclone, Turd Ferguson, Woof

#4. MICROSOFT (MSFT) - $340.3 billion - 10 responses
Bristle, Caboom, d4z, hscer, MarkBarrett, mennoknight, NYCScribbler, periwinkle, sarah0114, TryingHarder

#1. APPLE (AAPL) - $478.8 billion - 9 responses
Alyssa, ArtVark, clprez, dhkendall, LumosityFan, nightreign, This Is Kirk!, UniquePerspective, Woppy T

#3. GOOGLE (GOOG) - $374.5 billion - 9 responses
Cat Hat, cheezguyty, dude33, eboettch, geolawyerman, jpahk, lieph82, mitchparov, xxaaaxx

#8. GENERAL ELECTRIC (GE) - $259.8 billion - 8 responses
DPP, ElendilPickle, goforthetie, immaf, Kayanne, Peggles, Sherm, tjconn728

#9. WAL-MART (WMT) - $246.8 billion - 5 responses
Aardvark, Leander, Paulsaysthought, RandyG, spell4yr

#5. BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY (BRK) - $308.6 billion - 3 responses
amorris525, Noon, Vanya

#6. JOHNSON & JOHNSON (JNJ) - $277.9 billion - 3 responses
Christy, soxfan99, WooWho?

#7. WELLS FARGO (WFC) - $261.7 billion - 3 responses
gem, ihavejeoprosy, nestegg

#11. CHEVRON (CVX) - $227.0 billion - singleton!
Joy

#10. JPMORGAN CHASE (JPM) - $228.0 billion - singleton!
esrever


Elevens
naurae29, zakharov


Incorrect responses - 26 points

#14. IBM (IBM) - $200.5 billion
econgator, PopeT_15

#19. COCA-COLA (KO) - $170.3 billion
Bamaman, dott888, gamawire, JeopardyMom

#23. CITIGROUP (C) - $144.5 billion
DadofTwins, jjwaymee

#32. CISCO SYSTEMS (CSCO) - $115.5 billion
Mathew5000

GENERAL MOTORS (GM) - $53.6 billion
Rackme32

GENERAL MILLS (GIS) - $31.6 billion
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Places 40-78

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Here's the first half of our scores...

78) JeopardyMom (217 pts)
77) zakharov (194 pts)
76) dude33 (173 pts)
75) jjwaymee (172 pts - 0 singletons, 0 doubletons, 3,396,320,928,000 multiplicative)
74) ArtVark (172 pts - 0 singletons, 0 doubletons, 938,233,497,600 multiplicative)
73) Bamaman (171 pts)
72) jkbrat (170 pts)
71) Turd Ferguson (164 pts)
70) DadofTwins (161 pts)

69) Rackme32 (160 pts)
68) seattlecyclone (151 pts)
67) Mathew5000 (149 pts)
66) Lars (148 pts)
65) tjconn728 (145 pts)
64) LumosityFan (143 pts - 0 singletons, 0 doubletons, 1,336,101,723,000 multiplicative)
63) Caboom (143 pts - 0 singletons, 0 doubletons, 424,365,480,000 multiplicative)
62) ElendilPickle (142 pts - 0 singleton, 0 doubletons, 445,950,489,600 multiplicative)
61) hscer (142 pts - 0 singleton, 0 doubletons, 172,066,356,000 multiplicative)
60) amorris525 (141 pts)

59) dhkendall (140 pts - 0 singletons, 0 doubletons, 561,201,696,000 multiplicative)
58) gamawire (140 pts - 0 singletons, 0 doubletons, 224,172,748,800 multiplicative)
57) dott888 (139 pts)
56) nightreign (138 pts)
55) goforthetie (136 pts)
54) Magna (134 pts)
53) UniquePerspective (130 pts)
52) HeathenBenny (128 pts - 0 singletons, 0 doubletons, 326,918,592,000 multiplicative)
51) dnbguy (128 pts - 0 singletons, 0 doubletons, 172,848,475,800 multiplicative)
50) PopeT_15 (126 pts)

49) periwinkle (125 pts - 0 singleton, 0 doubletons, 136,618,099,200 multiplicative)
48) chalupabatman786 (125 pts - 0 singleton, 0 doubletons, 134,503,649,280 multiplicative)
47) Bob78164 (124 pts)
46) mitchparov (123 pts)
45) eboettch (122 pts)
44) NYCScribbler (120 pts - 0 singletons, 0 doubletons)
43) This Is Kirk! (120 pts - 0 singletons, 1 doubleton)
42) sarah0114 (119 pts)
41) nserven (118 pts)
40) econgator (116 pts)
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Now, for the following 28... finishing in the top half of a TD - especially one this size - is nothing to grumble about!

39) Creed Bratton (115 pts - 0 singletons, 0 doubletons, 79,748,955,000 multiplicative)
38) spell4yr (115 pts - 0 singletons, 0 doubletons, 46,286,478,000 multiplicative)
37) Leander (115 pts - 0 singletons, 1 doubleton)
36) soxfan99 (114 pts)
35) jeffwolfe (112 pts - 0 singletons, 0 doubletons, 55,468,759,500 multiplicative)
34) Paulsaysthought (112 pts - 0 singletons, 0 doubletons, 54,486,432,000 multiplicative)
33) WooWho? (112 pts - 0 singletons, 0 doubletons, 33,399,135,000 multiplicative)
32) Vanya (111 pts)
31) TryingHarder (110 pts)

30) mennoknight (108 pts)
29) clprez (104 pts)
28) immaf (101 pts)
27) naurae29 (100 pts)
26) Woppy T (99 pts - 0 singletons, 0 doubletons, 13,438,240,200 multiplicative)
25) geolawyerman (99 pts - 0 singletons, 0 doubletons, 11,594,271,150 multiplicative)
24) Woof (99 pts - 0 singletons, 0 doubletons, 10,746,918,000 multiplicative)
23) Sherm (97 pts)
22) Peggles (96 pts - 0 singletons, 0 doubletons)
21) jpahk (96 pts - 0 singletons, 1 doubleton)

20) MarkBarrett (95 pts)
19) lieph82 (92 pts)
18) DPP (91 pts - 0 singletons, 0 doubletons, 5,428,684,800 multiplicative)
17) Noon (91 pts - 0 singletons, 0 doubletons, 2,078,168,400 multiplicative)
16) Alyssa (87 pts)
15) ihavejeoprosy (85 pts)
14) Cat Hat (83 pts)
13) RandyG (82 pts)
12) Aardvark (78 pts)
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In the top eleven...

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In theory, the numbers should only go to eleven ... but these contestants far surpassed the field and picked some of the most obscure responses! Congrats to these fine players.

11) xxaaaxx (75 pts)
10) Joy (69 pts)
9) Bristle (67 pts)
8) gem (64 pts)
7) d4z (63 pts - 0 singletons)
6) Christy (63 pts - 2 singletons)
5) Kayanne (59 pts - 0 singletons)
4) Lilac (59 pts - 1 singleton)
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THE PODIUM

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And now, our three extreme performers!

In third place, with 58 points, with 1 singleton and 2 doubletons, was nestegg!

Claiming the silver, despite having "only" 1 doubleton, with 56 points, cheezguyty!

And claiming the golden guitar pick, with a whopping 4 singletons, 1 doubleton, and just 48 points, esrever!

Congrats to esrever, and thanks to all who played!
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Re: Think Different 186: The Numbers All Go to Eleven

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Thanks for this very enjoyable game, Vermonter! Congrats to cheezguyty and to nestegg for their second-place and third-place finishes, respectively.
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Re: Think Different 186: The Numbers All Go to Eleven

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Thank you, Vermonter! Congrats to the podium finishers. Wow, esrever has won two TDs in a row! I wonder if anyone has won two or more of them in a row?
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Re: Think Different 186: The Numbers All Go to Eleven

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Thanks to Vermonter for one of the best TDs ever!!! Congratulations to esrever and cheezguyty.

I noticed that all 121 of the possible answers for Questions 1 through 11 were given by at least one player! Curiously, 11 of them were singletons (there goes that number 11 again!). I think it's highly unlikely to have all 121 possible answers given, considering that there were "only" 78 players. Maybe the statisticians or probability theorists could give their opinions.
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Re: Think Different 186: The Numbers All Go to Eleven

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nestegg wrote:I think it's highly unlikely to have all 121 possible answers given, considering that there were "only" 78 players. Maybe the statisticians or probability theorists could give their opinions.
Assuming all options are equally likely, and every player chooses one of the eleven, the probability that one goes unchosen in a given question is 0.06%: [10/11]^78.

Over 11 questions, the probability is 0.65%: 1 - [.9994^11].
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Re: Think Different 186: The Numbers All Go to Eleven

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Vermonter wrote:
nestegg wrote:I think it's highly unlikely to have all 121 possible answers given, considering that there were "only" 78 players. Maybe the statisticians or probability theorists could give their opinions.
Assuming all options are equally likely, and every player chooses one of the eleven, the probability that one goes unchosen in a given question is 0.06%: [10/11]^78.

Over 11 questions, the probability is 0.65%: 1 - [.9994^11].
Class, does that seem like a good assumption to make here :)?

Of course, on this TD the questions were more accessible than most. It is surprising, though, that people got something like the #11 most followed twitter account...
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Re: Think Different 186: The Numbers All Go to Eleven

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I can't see the results for questions 6 and 7. Is this a mobile device issue?

And thanks for the game!
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Re: Think Different 186: The Numbers All Go to Eleven

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A top 20 finish with 78 players? I'll take it. Plus I got a "+" a "-" and an "unch" along the way. Thanks for another fun TD game. Congrats to the top finishers.
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Re: Think Different 186: The Numbers All Go to Eleven

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Thanks Vermonter for running this.

esrever is on a TD roll!

I lost track of my singleton...anyone know where it is?

Going with JFK over CDG on the airport question cost me 36 points and 32 places!!!

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Re: Think Different 186: The Numbers All Go to Eleven

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Did anyone realize that answering "eleven" for every question (which was allowed) would have put you ahead of 33 participants (including myself)?

Great game, Vermonter! I liked the format, questions, I even like how the results were presented! Huzzah for the quizmaster!
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Thanks, Vermonter!
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