TD 205: U.S. Roads
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It may be a very long time before I pick up on this reveal because I have a lot of homework, and I am way behind because I have been procrastinating by doing this reveal.
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If you've procrastinated this much, you might as well delay your chores some more and continue with the reveal !!!!countyguy wrote:It may be a very long time before I pick up on this reveal because I have a lot of homework, and I am way behind because I have been procrastinating by doing this reveal.
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Re: TD 205: U.S. Roads
This is a bit off topic (sorry)...but has anyone here ever driven the entire length of Route 66? Or gotten off of the Interstate to drive on a stretch of what used to be Route 66, running parallel to the Interstate? I have done the latter. In 1999, I drove from Ann Arbor, MI to Los Alamos, NM. From about 10 miles east of St. Louis MO to Clines Corners, NM, the interstate highways that I traveled on are ones that replaced the historic Route 66, or had run concurrently with it until 1985. On the way back to Ann Arbor I took a few interludes to get off the Interstate and onto the roadbed of the historical Route 66, just for fun.
There are some people who have traveled coast-to-coast across America without ever driving a single mile on an Interstate highway!!! I'd like to try it some day!
There are some people who have traveled coast-to-coast across America without ever driving a single mile on an Interstate highway!!! I'd like to try it some day!
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Re: TD 205: U.S. Roads
I thought I heard somewhere that it's impossible to drive all of Route 66 now since some of the roads no longer physically exist.A drop of golden sun wrote:This is a bit off topic (sorry)...but has anyone here ever driven the entire length of Route 66? Or gotten off of the Interstate to drive on a stretch of what used to be Route 66, running parallel to the Interstate? I have done the latter. In 1999, I drove from Ann Arbor, MI to Los Alamos, NM. From about 10 miles east of St. Louis MO to Clines Corners, NM, the interstate highways that I traveled on are ones that replaced the historic Route 66, or had run concurrently with it until 1985. On the way back to Ann Arbor I took a few interludes to get off the Interstate and onto the roadbed of the historical Route 66, just for fun.
There are some people who have traveled coast-to-coast across America without ever driving a single mile on an Interstate highway!!! I'd like to try it some day!
And isn't it also impossible to not touch an Interstate on a coast-to-coast trip? At the very least you may have to go across one, since there are several that run from border to border.
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I see the concept of bridges hasn't quite made it to Canada yet.dhkendall wrote: And isn't it also impossible to not touch an Interstate on a coast-to-coast trip? At the very least you may have to go across one, since there are several that run from border to border.
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Re: TD 205: U.S. Roads
I have driven on Interstates before (about a half dozen of them) and have seen both bridges and "normal" intersections. But I figured that unless you're going out of your way to be obstinenant (and I'm from the Internet, I know lots of people who do) I figured driving across an interstate occasionally on a cross country trip is unavoidable. (Which reminds me, I wonder how those who keep score of which roads they've driven on count roads they've only crossed?)goforthetie wrote:I see the concept of bridges hasn't quite made it to Canada yet.dhkendall wrote: And isn't it also impossible to not touch an Interstate on a coast-to-coast trip? At the very least you may have to go across one, since there are several that run from border to border.
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Re: TD 205: U.S. Roads
Well technically, there are no interstate highways in Canada, so yes it's possible.
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You kept using the word 'impossible' (and now 'unavoidable'). I do not think these words mean what you think they mean.dhkendall wrote:I have driven on Interstates before (about a half dozen of them) and have seen both bridges and "normal" intersections. But I figured that unless you're going out of your way to be obstinenant (and I'm from the Internet, I know lots of people who do) I figured driving across an interstate occasionally on a cross country trip is unavoidable. (Which reminds me, I wonder how those who keep score of which roads they've driven on count roads they've only crossed?)goforthetie wrote:I see the concept of bridges hasn't quite made it to Canada yet.dhkendall wrote: And isn't it also impossible to not touch an Interstate on a coast-to-coast trip? At the very least you may have to go across one, since there are several that run from border to border.
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Re: TD 205: U.S. Roads
One would always be able to find a little side road that goes below or above an Interstate -- without there being an interchange of any sort. So it would certainly be possible to go from coast to coast without *intersecting* any interstate. But if you count going over or under as "crossing", you are probably right.
Or... go by boat? I hear that there Panama Canal is pretty handy.
Or... go by boat? I hear that there Panama Canal is pretty handy.
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Re: TD 205: U.S. Roads
My understanding is Interstate highways are required to be limited-access – that is, they won't have any surface crossings.
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Re: TD 205: U.S. Roads
What do you know about interstate highways? You're from Vermont!Vermonter wrote:My understanding is Interstate highways are required to be limited-access – that is, they won't have any surface crossings.
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Re: TD 205: U.S. Roads
Mostly, yes, but there are several gaps:Vermonter wrote:My understanding is Interstate highways are required to be limited-access – that is, they won't have any surface crossings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ga ... e_Highways
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Re: TD 205: U.S. Roads
Also, I-180 in Cheyenne, Wyoming is sub-interstate its entire length and has some stoplights. I-585 in Spartanburg, South Carolina has a stoplight too. I read that I-70 in Pennsylvania has a stoplight, which seems very strange. I am not sure if they are there anymore, but at some point in the 21st century I-10 in rural West Texas had a few at-grade intersections. State transportation agencies can get a way with a few gaps in Interstate Standards, which include things about lane width, median width, and more.econgator wrote:Mostly, yes, but there are several gaps:Vermonter wrote:My understanding is Interstate highways are required to be limited-access – that is, they won't have any surface crossings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ga ... e_Highways
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Re: TD 205: U.S. Roads
Yes, on its wrong-way, surface concurrency with US 30. If I remember correctly, when the Interstate system was being built, federal Interstate funding wouldn't pay for any free-to-toll interchanges, so as a result I-70 in Breezewood interchanged the Pennsylvania Turnpike through US 30, I-81 in Carlisle through US 11, etc. As I-70 multiplexed west of Breezewood, it resulted in it needing to use said US 30 interchange to continue.countyguy wrote:I read that I-70 in Pennsylvania has a stoplight, which seems very strange.econgator wrote:Mostly, yes, but there are several gaps:Vermonter wrote:My understanding is Interstate highways are required to be limited-access – that is, they won't have any surface crossings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ga ... e_Highways
Now that the status quo has been in place for years, any talk about a new interchange results in tremendous protest from the restaurant, gas station, hotel, etc. owners in Breezewood.
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Re: TD 205: U.S. Roads
First, I must say that for the last question, Cat Hat answered Nebraska, and Alyssa answered West Virginia
Question 4: Name one of the thirteen states lacking any two-digit interstates with a number ending in “-0”.
Alaska and Hawaii were the gimmes, Alaska was again a singleton, and Vermont was far less popular this time than the last. Alaska and Hawaii were intended to make this question more accesible.
SHEEP- Michigan (6)
A drop of golden sun
clprez
Vermonter
nightreign
jepkid97
spell4yr
CO-GOAT- North Dakota (5)
Creed Bratton
dhkendall
TheyCallMeMrKid
FireAntsDefense
debramc
CO-GOAT- Hawaii
CheezeWhiz
Rackme32
dott888
Magna
ihavejeoprosy
Vermont (3)
immaf
Peggles
whatisbishkek
Virginia (3)
anotherclue
tjconn728
Tigershark
Oregon (3)
Coelacanth
JoshuaRQI
RandyG
Connecticut (3)
geolawyerman
Luminosityfan
dklee12
Delaware (3)
BobF
econgator
brainpower
New Hampshire (2)
dnbguy
CoachP
Maine (1)
Singleton to This Is Kirk!
Rhode Island (1)
Singleton to Vanya!
Kentucky (1)
Singleton to goforthetie!
Alaska (1)
Singleton to coolcah36!
SHEEP (6) (Incidentally, six people happened to submit this!)
gamawire
psgola
Bamaman
MarkBarrett
hscer
barandall800
No negs!
Believe it or not, Cat Hat and Alyssa both answered the same thing- Kentucky.
Question 4: Name one of the thirteen states lacking any two-digit interstates with a number ending in “-0”.
Alaska and Hawaii were the gimmes, Alaska was again a singleton, and Vermont was far less popular this time than the last. Alaska and Hawaii were intended to make this question more accesible.
SHEEP- Michigan (6)
A drop of golden sun
clprez
Vermonter
nightreign
jepkid97
spell4yr
CO-GOAT- North Dakota (5)
Creed Bratton
dhkendall
TheyCallMeMrKid
FireAntsDefense
debramc
CO-GOAT- Hawaii
CheezeWhiz
Rackme32
dott888
Magna
ihavejeoprosy
Vermont (3)
immaf
Peggles
whatisbishkek
Virginia (3)
anotherclue
tjconn728
Tigershark
Oregon (3)
Coelacanth
JoshuaRQI
RandyG
Connecticut (3)
geolawyerman
Luminosityfan
dklee12
Delaware (3)
BobF
econgator
brainpower
New Hampshire (2)
dnbguy
CoachP
Maine (1)
Singleton to This Is Kirk!
Rhode Island (1)
Singleton to Vanya!
Kentucky (1)
Singleton to goforthetie!
Alaska (1)
Singleton to coolcah36!
SHEEP (6) (Incidentally, six people happened to submit this!)
gamawire
psgola
Bamaman
MarkBarrett
hscer
barandall800
No negs!
Believe it or not, Cat Hat and Alyssa both answered the same thing- Kentucky.
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Re: TD 205: U.S. Roads
Standings after Question 4:
1st (8 pts)
goforthetie
2nd (9 pts)
Coelacanth
T-3rd (11 pts)
ihavejeoprosy
dklee12
T-5th (12 pts)
Vanya
coolcah36
7th (13 pts)
clprez
T-8th (14 pts)
anotherclue
brainpower
T-10th (16 pts)
dnbguy
FireAntsDefense
whatisbishkek
debramc
14th (17 pts)
tjconn728
T-15th (18 pts)
dhkendall
Magna
Tigershark
JoshuaRQI
19th (19 pts)
RandyG
T-20th (20 pts)
psgola
geolawyerman
TheyCallMeMrKid
Bamaman
24th (21 pts)
gamawire
T-25th (22 pts)
immaf
CheezeWhiz
MarkBarrett
Peggles
T-29th (23 pts)
This is Kirk!
nightreign
T-31st (24 pts)
Creed Bratton
Rackme32
spell4yr
T-34th (25 pts)
Vermonter
hscer
T-36th (27 pts)
A drop of golden sun
jepkid97
BobF
econgator
Luminosityfan
41st (28 pts)
dott888
42nd (29 pts)
barandall800
43rd (32 pts)
CoachP
1st (8 pts)
goforthetie
2nd (9 pts)
Coelacanth
T-3rd (11 pts)
ihavejeoprosy
dklee12
T-5th (12 pts)
Vanya
coolcah36
7th (13 pts)
clprez
T-8th (14 pts)
anotherclue
brainpower
T-10th (16 pts)
dnbguy
FireAntsDefense
whatisbishkek
debramc
14th (17 pts)
tjconn728
T-15th (18 pts)
dhkendall
Magna
Tigershark
JoshuaRQI
19th (19 pts)
RandyG
T-20th (20 pts)
psgola
geolawyerman
TheyCallMeMrKid
Bamaman
24th (21 pts)
gamawire
T-25th (22 pts)
immaf
CheezeWhiz
MarkBarrett
Peggles
T-29th (23 pts)
This is Kirk!
nightreign
T-31st (24 pts)
Creed Bratton
Rackme32
spell4yr
T-34th (25 pts)
Vermonter
hscer
T-36th (27 pts)
A drop of golden sun
jepkid97
BobF
econgator
Luminosityfan
41st (28 pts)
dott888
42nd (29 pts)
barandall800
43rd (32 pts)
CoachP
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Re: TD 205: U.S. Roads
Question 5: Name a one- or two-digit interstate that connects to or is near at least six three-digit interstates that it shares its last two digits with.
This one was, unless you have advanced knowledge of this topic, a crapshoot of major interstates.
SHEEP- I-95 (31 three-digit interstates)(10)
immaf
A drop of golden sun
geolawyerman
tjconn728
Peggles
JoshuaRQI
hscer
brainpower
coolcah36
CoachP
GOAT- I-5 (11 three-digit interstates)(5)
dhkendall
BobF
Vanya
Tigershark
goforthetie
I-80 (21 three-digit interstates)(4)
Creed Bratton
Rackme32
Vermonter
MarkBarrett
I-90 (15 three-digit interstates)(4)
CheezeWhiz
dnbguy
jepkid97
RandyG
I-10 (13 three-digit interstates)(4)
gamawire
econgator
debramc
dklee12
I-94 (7 three-digit interstates)(4)
clprez
anotherclue
Coelacanth
spell4yr
I-65 (6 three-digit interstates)(2)
psgola
Bamaman
I-75 (15 three-digit interstates)(2)
This Is Kirk!
nightreign
I-70 (12 three-digit interstates)(2)
TheyCallMeMrKid
whatisbishkek
I-40 (12 three-digit interstates)(1)
Singleton to Magna!
I-85 (8 three-digit interstates)(1)
Singleton to FireAntsDefense!
SHEEP (10)
dott888
Luminosityfan
barandall800
ihavejeoprosy
No negs again!
Unused answers
I-35 (9 three-digit interstates)
Cat Hat said I-64, which only has five three-digit interstates and therefore would have been the only neg of this question. Alyssa said I-70.
This one was, unless you have advanced knowledge of this topic, a crapshoot of major interstates.
SHEEP- I-95 (31 three-digit interstates)(10)
immaf
A drop of golden sun
geolawyerman
tjconn728
Peggles
JoshuaRQI
hscer
brainpower
coolcah36
CoachP
GOAT- I-5 (11 three-digit interstates)(5)
dhkendall
BobF
Vanya
Tigershark
goforthetie
I-80 (21 three-digit interstates)(4)
Creed Bratton
Rackme32
Vermonter
MarkBarrett
I-90 (15 three-digit interstates)(4)
CheezeWhiz
dnbguy
jepkid97
RandyG
I-10 (13 three-digit interstates)(4)
gamawire
econgator
debramc
dklee12
I-94 (7 three-digit interstates)(4)
clprez
anotherclue
Coelacanth
spell4yr
I-65 (6 three-digit interstates)(2)
psgola
Bamaman
I-75 (15 three-digit interstates)(2)
This Is Kirk!
nightreign
I-70 (12 three-digit interstates)(2)
TheyCallMeMrKid
whatisbishkek
I-40 (12 three-digit interstates)(1)
Singleton to Magna!
I-85 (8 three-digit interstates)(1)
Singleton to FireAntsDefense!
SHEEP (10)
dott888
Luminosityfan
barandall800
ihavejeoprosy
No negs again!
Unused answers
I-35 (9 three-digit interstates)
Cat Hat said I-64, which only has five three-digit interstates and therefore would have been the only neg of this question. Alyssa said I-70.
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Re: TD 205: U.S. Roads
Standings after Question 5:
T-1st (13 pts)
Coelacanth
goforthetie
3rd (15 pts)
dklee12
T-4th (17 pts)
clprez
Vanya
FireAntsDefense
T-7th (18 pts)
anotherclue
whatisbishkek
9th (19 pts)
Magna
T-10th (20 pts)
dnbguy
debramc
12th (21 pts)
ihavejeoprosy
T-13th (22 pts)
psgola
TheyCallMeMrKid
Bamaman
coolcah36
T-17th (23 pts)
dhkendall
Tigershark
RandyG
20th (24 pts)
brainpower
T-21st (25 pts)
gamawire
This is Kirk!
nightreign
T-24th (26 pts)
CheezeWhiz
MarkBarrett
26th (27 pts)
tjconn728
T-27th (28 pts)
Creed Bratton
Rackme32
JoshuaRQI
spell4yr
31st (29 pts)
Vermonter
32nd (30 pts)
geolawyerman
T-33rd (31 pts)
jepkid97
econgator
T-35th (32 pts)
immaf
BobF
Peggles
38th (35 pts)
hscer
T-39th (37 pts)
A drop of golden sun
Luminosityfan
41st (38 pts)
dott888
42nd (39 pts)
barandall800
43rd (42 pts)
CoachP
T-1st (13 pts)
Coelacanth
goforthetie
3rd (15 pts)
dklee12
T-4th (17 pts)
clprez
Vanya
FireAntsDefense
T-7th (18 pts)
anotherclue
whatisbishkek
9th (19 pts)
Magna
T-10th (20 pts)
dnbguy
debramc
12th (21 pts)
ihavejeoprosy
T-13th (22 pts)
psgola
TheyCallMeMrKid
Bamaman
coolcah36
T-17th (23 pts)
dhkendall
Tigershark
RandyG
20th (24 pts)
brainpower
T-21st (25 pts)
gamawire
This is Kirk!
nightreign
T-24th (26 pts)
CheezeWhiz
MarkBarrett
26th (27 pts)
tjconn728
T-27th (28 pts)
Creed Bratton
Rackme32
JoshuaRQI
spell4yr
31st (29 pts)
Vermonter
32nd (30 pts)
geolawyerman
T-33rd (31 pts)
jepkid97
econgator
T-35th (32 pts)
immaf
BobF
Peggles
38th (35 pts)
hscer
T-39th (37 pts)
A drop of golden sun
Luminosityfan
41st (38 pts)
dott888
42nd (39 pts)
barandall800
43rd (42 pts)
CoachP
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Re: TD 205: U.S. Roads
Question 6: Name a state in which at least three one-digit or two-digit interstates whose numbers are multiples of five pass through the state for at least 100 miles.
SHEEP- Texas (I-10, I-20, I-30, I-35, I-40, I-45)(7)
gamawire
Magna
hscer
brainpower
ihavejeoprosy
debramc
coolcah36
GOAT- California (I-5, I-10, I-15, I-40, I-80)(6)
Creed Bratton
psgola
Rackme32
dnbguy
MarkBarrett
CoachP
Florida (I-10, I-75, I-95)(5)
A drop of golden sun
Vermonter
geolawyerman
Peggles
econgator
Ohio (I-70, I-75, I-80, I-90)(5)
dott888
tjconn728
TheyCallMeMrKid
jepkid97
whatisbishkek
Georgia (I-20, I-75, I-85, I-95)(4)
dhkendall
BobF
Bamaman
FireAntsDefense
Illinois (I-55, I-70, I-80, I-90)(3)
CheezeWhiz
Coelacanth
Vanya
Indiana (I-65, I-70, I-80, I-90)(2)
anotherclue
spell4yr
New Mexico (I-10, I-25, I-40)(2)
JoshuaRQI
RandyG
Tennessee (I-40, I-65, I-75, I-55*)(1)
Singleton to This Is Kirk!!
North Carolina (I-40, I-85, I-95)(1)
Singleton to Tigershark!
Missouri (I-35, I-55, I-70)(1)
Singleton to goforthetie!
Wyoming (I-25, I-80, I-90)(1)
Singleton to dklee12!
SHEEP (7)
nightreign
Incorrect (13)
immaf- New York (I-90, I-95*)
clprez- I-75- Michigan (Misunderstanding? I-75 does pass through Michigan for close to 400 miles, but no other two-digit freeways with numbers that are multiples of 5 pass through the state at all.)
Luminosityfan- Kentucky (I-65, I-75)
barandall800- Arizona (I-10, I-15*, I-40)
Unused Answers
South Carolina (I-20, I-85, I-95) (was surprised to learn that I-85 passed through the state for over 100 miles)
Utah (I-15, I-70, I-80)
*=Less than 100 miles so does not count for the purposes of this question.
Cat Hat said Missouri and Alyssa said North Carolina.
SHEEP- Texas (I-10, I-20, I-30, I-35, I-40, I-45)(7)
gamawire
Magna
hscer
brainpower
ihavejeoprosy
debramc
coolcah36
GOAT- California (I-5, I-10, I-15, I-40, I-80)(6)
Creed Bratton
psgola
Rackme32
dnbguy
MarkBarrett
CoachP
Florida (I-10, I-75, I-95)(5)
A drop of golden sun
Vermonter
geolawyerman
Peggles
econgator
Ohio (I-70, I-75, I-80, I-90)(5)
dott888
tjconn728
TheyCallMeMrKid
jepkid97
whatisbishkek
Georgia (I-20, I-75, I-85, I-95)(4)
dhkendall
BobF
Bamaman
FireAntsDefense
Illinois (I-55, I-70, I-80, I-90)(3)
CheezeWhiz
Coelacanth
Vanya
Indiana (I-65, I-70, I-80, I-90)(2)
anotherclue
spell4yr
New Mexico (I-10, I-25, I-40)(2)
JoshuaRQI
RandyG
Tennessee (I-40, I-65, I-75, I-55*)(1)
Singleton to This Is Kirk!!
North Carolina (I-40, I-85, I-95)(1)
Singleton to Tigershark!
Missouri (I-35, I-55, I-70)(1)
Singleton to goforthetie!
Wyoming (I-25, I-80, I-90)(1)
Singleton to dklee12!
SHEEP (7)
nightreign
Incorrect (13)
immaf- New York (I-90, I-95*)
clprez- I-75- Michigan (Misunderstanding? I-75 does pass through Michigan for close to 400 miles, but no other two-digit freeways with numbers that are multiples of 5 pass through the state at all.)
Luminosityfan- Kentucky (I-65, I-75)
barandall800- Arizona (I-10, I-15*, I-40)
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South Carolina (I-20, I-85, I-95) (was surprised to learn that I-85 passed through the state for over 100 miles)
Utah (I-15, I-70, I-80)
*=Less than 100 miles so does not count for the purposes of this question.
Cat Hat said Missouri and Alyssa said North Carolina.
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Re: TD 205: U.S. Roads
Standings after Question 6:
Now that it is halftime, goforthetie takes the outright lead with Coelacanth still in second, and dklee12 moving up on a singleton to tie Coelacanth!
1st (14 pts)
goforthetie
T-2nd (16 pts)
Coelacanth
dklee12
T-4th (20 pts)
anotherclue
Vanya
6th (21 pts)
FireAntsDefense
7th (23 pts)
whatisbishkek
8th (24 pts)
Tigershark
9th (25 pts)
RandyG
T-10th (26 pts)
This is Kirk!
dnbguy
Bamaman
Magna
T-14th (27 pts)
dhkendall
TheyCallMeMrKid
debramc
T-17th (28 pts)
psgola
ihavejeoprosy
T-19th (29 pts)
CheezeWhiz
coolcah36
T-21st (30 pts)
clprez
JoshuaRQI
spell4yr
24th (31 pts)
brainpower
T-25th (32 pts)
gamawire
tjconn728
nightreign
MarkBarrett
T-29th (34 pts)
Creed Bratton
Rackme32
Vermonter
32nd (35 pts)
geolawyerman
T-33rd (36 pts)
jepkid97
BobF
econgator
36th (37 pts)
Peggles
T-37th (42 pts)
A drop of golden sun
hscer
39th (43 pts)
dott888
40th (45 pts)
immaf
41st (48 pts)
CoachP
42nd (50 pts)
Luminosityfan
43rd (52 pts)
barandall800 52
Now that it is halftime, goforthetie takes the outright lead with Coelacanth still in second, and dklee12 moving up on a singleton to tie Coelacanth!
1st (14 pts)
goforthetie
T-2nd (16 pts)
Coelacanth
dklee12
T-4th (20 pts)
anotherclue
Vanya
6th (21 pts)
FireAntsDefense
7th (23 pts)
whatisbishkek
8th (24 pts)
Tigershark
9th (25 pts)
RandyG
T-10th (26 pts)
This is Kirk!
dnbguy
Bamaman
Magna
T-14th (27 pts)
dhkendall
TheyCallMeMrKid
debramc
T-17th (28 pts)
psgola
ihavejeoprosy
T-19th (29 pts)
CheezeWhiz
coolcah36
T-21st (30 pts)
clprez
JoshuaRQI
spell4yr
24th (31 pts)
brainpower
T-25th (32 pts)
gamawire
tjconn728
nightreign
MarkBarrett
T-29th (34 pts)
Creed Bratton
Rackme32
Vermonter
32nd (35 pts)
geolawyerman
T-33rd (36 pts)
jepkid97
BobF
econgator
36th (37 pts)
Peggles
T-37th (42 pts)
A drop of golden sun
hscer
39th (43 pts)
dott888
40th (45 pts)
immaf
41st (48 pts)
CoachP
42nd (50 pts)
Luminosityfan
43rd (52 pts)
barandall800 52