The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Postby TenPoundHammer » Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:15 pm

badgerfellow wrote:
TenPoundHammer wrote:Still unanswered:

That said, I see no way to narrow it down [whether the North or South island of New Zealand is larger]. Looking at it on the map, both North and South look equally large to me. And looking at their actual square mileage, it's by no means a slam dunk. Especially since the smaller of the two has more population.


If you're looking for a shortcut regarding this fact, there isn't one. It appears you've already looked up everything you would want on this topic, which is a good start. Not sure what more you really want. Maybe learn what cities are on what island? Which one is the capital? That should be your next step.


Both Wellington (capital) and Auckland (largest) are on the North Island, which is the smaller of the two.

Any sort of logical way to approach this backfires. Surely, the more populous of the two would also be larger in size, right? Wrong. The one with both the capital and the largest city on it? Wrong. The one that has 3 of the 4 New Zealand cities I can actually name (Christchurch and Whangerei being the other two)? Wrong.

Usually in the top box, there's a way to puzzle it out if you don't know it outright. I did try to puzzle it out, but any sort of logical path leads me in the completely wrong direction.

Is there a way to puzzle this out, or is it just something you have to know cold? What am I missing that's supposed to get you to the right response? Top box clues are supposed to have an obvious tell that makes them gettable, and no matter which way I approach this, I don't see it.
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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Postby badgerfellow » Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:33 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
badgerfellow wrote:
TenPoundHammer wrote:Still unanswered:

That said, I see no way to narrow it down [whether the North or South island of New Zealand is larger]. Looking at it on the map, both North and South look equally large to me. And looking at their actual square mileage, it's by no means a slam dunk. Especially since the smaller of the two has more population.


If you're looking for a shortcut regarding this fact, there isn't one. It appears you've already looked up everything you would want on this topic, which is a good start. Not sure what more you really want. Maybe learn what cities are on what island? Which one is the capital? That should be your next step.


Both Wellington (capital) and Auckland (largest) are on the North Island, which is the smaller of the two.

Any sort of logical way to approach this backfires. Surely, the more populous of the two would also be larger in size, right? Wrong. The one with both the capital and the largest city on it? Wrong. The one that has 3 of the 4 New Zealand cities I can actually name (Christchurch and Whangerei being the other two)? Wrong.

Usually in the top box, there's a way to puzzle it out if you don't know it outright. I did try to puzzle it out, but any sort of logical path leads me in the completely wrong direction.

Is there a way to puzzle this out, or is it just something you have to know cold? What am I missing that's supposed to get you to the right response? Top box clues are supposed to have an obvious tell that makes them gettable, and no matter which way I approach this, I don't see it.


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1. Don't equate that large population = large area. Otherwise, under that thought, Alaska is the largest state in terms of population.
2. Top row boxes do not require an obvious clue. Keeping it simple is often the best way to approach these questions.
3. Focus less on why a top row is located there and more on obtaining knowledge to get to the correct answer. By asking WLT on everything, you're distracting yourself from the whole purpose of the game.
4. Repeating what I've already told you on here, put up or shut up.
5. All of this has already been told to you multiple times. Understand that your frustration in not getting these questions equates to our frustration in dealing with your questions, and that includes our perception that you won't change your mindset.

tl;dr Change your mindset about the game and we will all be better for it.
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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Postby TenPoundHammer » Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:41 pm

badgerfellow wrote:2. Top row boxes do not require an obvious clue. Keeping it simple is often the best way to approach these questions.


I did keep it simple. "There are two islands, one of the two is bigger". But I still see literally nothing pointing to that other than "flip a coin" or "I just KNOW". And that's not usually the case in the top box.

badgerfellow wrote:3. Focus less on why a top row is located there and more on obtaining knowledge to get to the correct answer.


And that's what I'm doing: trying to figure out what makes each island different, and why I should outright know which of the two is bigger.
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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Postby Volante » Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:30 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
badgerfellow wrote:3. Focus less on why a top row is located there and more on obtaining knowledge to get to the correct answer.


And that's what I'm doing: trying to figure out what makes each island different, and why I should outright know which of the two is bigger.

Gonna be honest, I thought it was obvious South Island was larger...then I saw how large they actually are

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_i ... ew_Zealand

1 South Island 151,215 km^2
2 North Island 113,729 km^2

That's not real obvious from just looking on a map.
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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Postby zakharov » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:53 pm

I gotta go Team TPH on this one, that really seemed a "know it or don't" question. But now you know, and isn't that wonderful?
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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Postby seaborgium » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:00 am

TenPoundHammer wrote:Any sort of logical way to approach this backfires. Surely, the more populous of the two would also be larger in size, right? Wrong. The one with both the capital and the largest city on it? Wrong. The one that has 3 of the 4 New Zealand cities I can actually name (Christchurch and Whangerei being the other two)? Wrong.

So don't approach it logically. Sometimes J! clues are for knowing, not solving. Just tell yourself New Zealand has a big butt, and maybe that'll help you know the South Island is larger henceforth.
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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Postby badgerfellow » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:45 am

Looking through some of my posts above and more about the clue in question, I was a tad harsh. Apologies, TPH. I was also thinking it was obvious South Island > North Island, but that was based on a spatial guess (South Island being really long north to south). So yes, it is YEKIOYD. Unfortunately, no shortcuts or TOM on this one.
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