Monday, October 31, 2016 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

[This Is Kirk!]

An analogy doesn't have to be perfect to be useful. I'm surprised at all the hate for this FJ! I felt like it was a WECIB. Sure, Pandora and Spotify crossed my mind, but they're not really new technologies and there's no reason Steve Jobs would be talking them up.

I agree. My first thought was satellite radio, but then I thought "why would Steve Jobs be talking about satellite radio?" Podcasts/podcasting made the most sense given the Steve Jobs hint.

[This Is Kirk!]

what would happen to my response of "What is a rocket?" on the Sputnik 1 clue?

Since it was vague and simply stated "this happened", I assume a BMS?

I'm guessing that would be a neg because the rocket that launched the Sputnik satellite was not the "size of a beach ball." I recall the clue wording was something like that. Sputnik 1 is not a rocket.

[davey]

This recent NYTimes article puts Jobs's remark in a little more context. I looked around a bit but haven't found the original source.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/busin ... .html?_r=0

[Woppy T]

I got it right off the rebound, so I'm not sure it qualifies as negbait, but a guy named Watt + coal mining = something other than energy...evil

I agree, even though I got it right. Watt was very famous as Secretary of the Interior for a very brief time. He only served from 1981 to 1983 and disappeared from view within a few years after. Most of us who were born before 1966, say, remember him pretty well. Younger than that, you probably have to be into politics or the history of the 80s or something.

Or be someone who really hates (or really loves) the Beach Boys.

[opusthepenguin]

I got it right off the rebound, so I'm not sure it qualifies as negbait, but a guy named Watt + coal mining = something other than energy...evil

I agree, even though I got it right. Watt was very famous as Secretary of the Interior for a very brief time. He only served from 1981 to 1983 and disappeared from view within a few years after. Most of us who were born before 1966, say, remember him pretty well. Younger than that, you probably have to be into politics or the history of the 80s or something.

Or be someone who really hates (or really loves) the Beach Boys.

Ha! I'd forgotten about that. It marked the first time in my life I'd ever heard of Wayne Newton.

[Elijah Baley]

Small object "launched" from Kazakhstan in 1957 = TS?!

TiVo = recording video for later, so recording audio is...podcasting sounds good.

I got it right off the rebound, so I'm not sure it qualifies as negbait, but a guy named Watt + coal mining = something other than energy...evil

There were a few shocking stand and stares, but yes, I was floored with the Sputnik miss. Maybe it was the reference to Kazakhstan that threw them off??

The "Where Am I" Category had some surprising misses too - no one could figure out Santa Fe when they show a pueblo style building and provide additional info that it's the oldest city that is a state capital?

[bpmod]

LT: Lucy Maid Montgomery (Anne Shirley = same Anne of Green Gables!); The Land that "Time Forgot".

I don't make the rules, but I believe it can be called Lach Trash only if you give the correct response.

Hmmm. It's not working for me. TiVo records TV programs in real time as they stream so you can watch them later. It doesn't stream or download pre-recorded programs at your request. That's closer to what Netflix or On Demand do. A real radio analog to TiVo would record live broadcasts that you pre-selected and would also make algorithmic guesses about other content you might like and record that. I don't see how podcasts are closer to that model than Spotify/Pandora or Sirius or iTunes. They're all equally barely like TiVo at all.

My conclusion: Steve Jobs made a bad analogy that didn't really correspond to ANY "new form." We were supposed to guess what the frack he thought he was talking about. I declare this the worst FJ of the season.

I guessed this one correctly, and I completely agree with the above. Terrible clue.

Pretty much my thoughts exactly. I said podcasting with absolutely zero confidence and had no idea that Jobs had anything to do with the (so-called) technology.

Brian

[Bamaman]

I was a bit confused by the wording and put iheart radio as my "anything is better than nothing" guess.

I agree James Watt is someone you probably aren't going to know if you weren't around in the 1980s. So I was a bit surprised the player who looks like she is around my age didn't get it. Energy isn't a bad guess if you are given coal in the clue.

I got quarry but I agree it was a poorly written clue. I said craggy for the voice in that category,

[Volante]

The "Where Am I" Category had some surprising misses too - no one could figure out Santa Fe when they show a pueblo style building and provide additional info that it's the oldest city that is a state capital?

Gonna be honest, I couldn't fully grok what the building was (bad viewing angle) and spent too much time trying to ID it. If it was just a text based "Name the oldest state capital," I likely would've gotten it.

[This Is Kirk!]

The "Where Am I" Category had some surprising misses too - no one could figure out Santa Fe when they show a pueblo style building and provide additional info that it's the oldest city that is a state capital?

Gonna be honest, I couldn't fully grok what the building was (bad viewing angle) and spent too much time trying to ID it. If it was just a text based "Name the oldest state capital," I likely would've gotten it.

I got it, but the fact that Kelly was dressed for a trip above the Arctic Circle didn't exactly help matters!

[alietr]

The "Where Am I" Category had some surprising misses too - no one could figure out Santa Fe when they show a pueblo style building and provide additional info that it's the oldest city that is a state capital?

Gonna be honest, I couldn't fully grok what the building was (bad viewing angle) and spent too much time trying to ID it. If it was just a text based "Name the oldest state capital," I likely would've gotten it.

I got it, but the fact that Kelly was dressed for a trip above the Arctic Circle didn't exactly help matters!

Santa Fe is at 7,198', so it was probably appropriate attire depending on the season.

[alietr]

The "Where Am I" Category had some surprising misses too - no one could figure out Santa Fe when they show a pueblo style building and provide additional info that it's the oldest city that is a state capital?

Gonna be honest, I couldn't fully grok what the building was (bad viewing angle) and spent too much time trying to ID it. If it was just a text based "Name the oldest state capital," I likely would've gotten it.

I got it, but the fact that Kelly was dressed for a trip above the Arctic Circle didn't exactly help matters!

Santa Fe is at 7,198', so it was probably appropriate attire depending on the season.

Wow ... Google "highest state capital". It comes up with Santa Fe in that little box above the rest of the search results, and has a paragraph describing Santa Fe and the fact that it is home to ... Northern Arizona University. Um, no, Google, it is not.

[OrangeSAM]

what would happen to my response of "What is a rocket?" on the Sputnik 1 clue?

Since it was vague and simply stated "this happened", I assume a BMS?

I'm guessing that would be a neg because the rocket that launched the Sputnik satellite was not the "size of a beach ball." I recall the clue wording was something like that. Sputnik 1 is not a rocket.

I would have given a BMS for "satellite" because Sputnik 1 was not the first rocket.

[Volante]

Wow ... Google "highest state capital". It comes up with Santa Fe in that little box above the rest of the search results, and has a paragraph describing Santa Fe and the fact that it is home to ... Northern Arizona University. Um, no, Google, it is not.

This is what I see in the box:

Santa Fe
Santa Fe is the capital of the State of New Mexico and the highest capital city in the United States. The population is 70,297. Flagstaff Arizona is at 7,000 feet above sea level, with a population of 66,000 and the home of Northern Arizona University.
List of highest United States cities by state - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_hi ... .Wikipedia

Are you not getting the Flagstaff bit?

[bomtr]

Another one here in the 'terrible clue' category. I said ipod; it's a device that records and catalogues just like the original tivo device was before dvr got more sophisticated and cloudy. I wonder if 'podcasting' was the only answer they might have accepted.

Lots of very strange stand and stare; pretty basic stuff. No one yet has mentioned how bad a guess 'King John II' was, only slightly better than nothing, which, well, it is.

James Watt was the Interior Secretary famous for his belief that we don't need trees, because, you know, the rapture.

[BigDaddyMatty]

The "Where Am I" Category had some surprising misses too - no one could figure out Santa Fe when they show a pueblo style building and provide additional info that it's the oldest city that is a state capital?

Gonna be honest, I couldn't fully grok what the building was (bad viewing angle) and spent too much time trying to ID it. If it was just a text based "Name the oldest state capital," I likely would've gotten it.

I got it, but the fact that Kelly was dressed for a trip above the Arctic Circle didn't exactly help matters!

Santa Fe is at 7,198', so it was probably appropriate attire depending on the season.

Wow ... Google "highest state capital". It comes up with Santa Fe in that little box above the rest of the search results, and has a paragraph describing Santa Fe and the fact that it is home to ... Northern Arizona University. Um, no, Google, it is not.

I think we all know that the highest state capital is Denver.

[waterloo_guy]

It seemed clear to me that the FJ's use of the word "form" meant that the answer was not a specific service, device, or product.So, I started thinking more generically and hit upon ”podcasting” and given that it loosely fit the TiVo analogy and a connection to Jobs, I went with it.

As for whether or not it was well-written or not, maybe it could have been better but it is what is. Complaining about clue construction feels like complaining about bad calls in baseball-- somewhat childish. Maybe if there was a massive amount of them in a single game, but the odd one here and there is simply something to be expected.

[goatman]

I think we all know that the highest state capital is Denver.

O yeah that's right, since 2012ish, and as a consequence they have a 50% increase in highway traffic accident mortality and high school recidivism now approaching 40%... O the moral fiber!

BTW above link is broke or bogus, this one works okay: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_h ... s_by_state

[IronNeck]

It seemed clear to me that the FJ's use of the word "form" meant that the answer was not a specific service, device, or product.

And yet, TiVo is a specific service, device, or product, so I fail to see anything "clear" here.

Complaining about clue construction feels like complaining about bad calls in baseball-- somewhat childish.

You are aware of what this message board is, right?

[alietr]

Wow ... Google "highest state capital". It comes up with Santa Fe in that little box above the rest of the search results, and has a paragraph describing Santa Fe and the fact that it is home to ... Northern Arizona University. Um, no, Google, it is not.

This is what I see in the box:

Santa Fe
Santa Fe is the capital of the State of New Mexico and the highest capital city in the United States. The population is 70,297. Flagstaff Arizona is at 7,000 feet above sea level, with a population of 66,000 and the home of Northern Arizona University.
List of highest United States cities by state - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_hi ... .Wikipedia

Are you not getting the Flagstaff bit?

Ah. Thank you for clearing that up. I missed Flagstaff in reading it. It basically took the Wikipedia list of highest (not in the Denver way) cities and kept going. I loathe those boxes they've added to the Google results.