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Re: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby rpg » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:48 pm

Volante wrote:
rpg wrote:Hated that dumb down category, that totem pole one was just stupid. Also thought that FJ was just terrible. Lord of the Flies is not a popular, acclaimed, or at all notable movie, and is only "classic" in the sense that it's old.

Criterion released it on DVD, so I'm gonna have to throw the challenge flag on "not acclaimed" and "not notable" there.
https://www.criterion.com/films/563-lord-of-the-flies

On the flip side, it -did- take me about 10 seconds for that to click, though, and I wasn't such a Criterion buff I'd probably forget there -was- a movie version of it.


Fair shout -- though there are plenty of stinkers in the Criterion collection. But it's not on basically any list of notable movies (like 1001 to see before you die, they shoot pictures don't they, and a gazillion other lists of 100 or 1000 films), I've never heard anybody talking about or referencing it, and it has middling ratings on imdb and letterboxd -- basically any objective measure I can think of. So I stand by my claim that this isn't an important movie, though I grant that it's probably not completely pulled out of the trash heap or anything.
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Re: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby BigDaddyMatty » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:51 pm

Coryat: $32,600
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DD: 2/2
FJ: :oops:
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OSXpert wrote:Thought about Piggy, but since he was a FJ answer <2 month ago (Nov 16), I figured it had to be something else and couldn't come up with something (thought about Agustus Gloop).

I guess since the Teen Tournament was filmed a long time ago, it wasn't as recent a dupe for them...

This got me as well. I immediately thought of Piggy but knew there had been a very recent LOTF FJ! I then thought that perhaps the letter in question was addressed to Orson Welles and the young man was cast as a young Charles Foster Kane, so I changed my response. Turns out I was way off about the year (1963 vs. 1941), the spectacles, and that--despite the Rosebud plot device--no child version of Kane appears in the film.

That totem pole ruling was sketchy. There was nothing in the "smartened up" version pinning the "man" part of the saying. I would have accepted any of the three responses given by the contestants.
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Re: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby StevenH » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:55 pm

I guessed Psycho for FJ, though I didn't think that it fit. Count me as one who dismissed Lord of the Flies because of the recent FJ.
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Re: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby davey » Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:04 am

BigDaddyMatty wrote:This got me as well. I immediately thought of Piggy but knew there had been a very recent LOTF FJ! I then thought that perhaps the letter in question was addressed to Orson Welles and the young man was cast as a young Charles Foster Kane, so I changed my response. Turns out I was way off about the year (1963 vs. 1941), the spectacles, and that--despite the Rosebud plot device--no child version of Kane appears in the film.


The 8-year-old Charles Foster Kane is actually an important role in the film, Rosebud reference included. The young actor's name was Buddy Swan. But he wasn't fat.
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Re: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby BigDaddyMatty » Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:16 am

davey wrote:
BigDaddyMatty wrote:This got me as well. I immediately thought of Piggy but knew there had been a very recent LOTF FJ! I then thought that perhaps the letter in question was addressed to Orson Welles and the young man was cast as a young Charles Foster Kane, so I changed my response. Turns out I was way off about the year (1963 vs. 1941), the spectacles, and that--despite the Rosebud plot device--no child version of Kane appears in the film.


The 8-year-old Charles Foster Kane is actually an important role in the film, Rosebud reference included. The young actor's name was Buddy Swan. But he wasn't fat.

Thanks for the correction. That softens the blow a bit, I guess.
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Re: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby davey » Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:35 am

rpg wrote:
Volante wrote:
rpg wrote:Hated that dumb down category, that totem pole one was just stupid. Also thought that FJ was just terrible. Lord of the Flies is not a popular, acclaimed, or at all notable movie, and is only "classic" in the sense that it's old.

Criterion released it on DVD, so I'm gonna have to throw the challenge flag on "not acclaimed" and "not notable" there.
https://www.criterion.com/films/563-lord-of-the-flies

On the flip side, it -did- take me about 10 seconds for that to click, though, and I wasn't such a Criterion buff I'd probably forget there -was- a movie version of it.


Fair shout -- though there are plenty of stinkers in the Criterion collection. But it's not on basically any list of notable movies (like 1001 to see before you die, they shoot pictures don't they, and a gazillion other lists of 100 or 1000 films), I've never heard anybody talking about or referencing it, and it has middling ratings on imdb and letterboxd -- basically any objective measure I can think of. So I stand by my claim that this isn't an important movie, though I grant that it's probably not completely pulled out of the trash heap or anything.


Oh, it gets talked about once in a while...
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Re: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby Vowela » Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:36 am

Category 13 wrote:"You're (I'm) the low man on the totem pole" is a common metephore from an older generation. I knew what they were going for and had no problem with the clue.

I've heard both "bottom" and "low man" used a fair bit for the phrase. I'm not sure why bottom wasn't acceptable.
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Re: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby OrangeSAM » Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:47 am

trainman wrote:
mcsheffrey wrote:What is "WLT"? I haven't been able to find a definition anywhere. Based on context I think it has something to do with a clue that is valued incorrectly (or surprisingly) low.


No, it's one certain poster's abbreviation for "what led to?" If you'd like to answer any of these questions, you can use The Official TPH Education Thread. Or you can beat your head against a wall.

Thank you for the second option. I just have to be sure I have enough pain relievers in the house.

[Sorry. I know it's a low blow, TPH.]
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Re: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby seaborgium » Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:33 am

Category 13 wrote:"I also had a problem with the writers pinning a Wings song "from 1977", when Maybe I'm Amazed actually originated in 1970. I wouldn't have buzzed in because I had no idea what the first part of the B&A was on that clue, but I was sitting there scratching my head trying to think of a McCartney song from that year.
Please leave the live version retro-releases in the archives from now on.

It wasn't a Wings song in 1970.
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Re: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby Category 13 » Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:56 am

doihavetoreally wrote:Good wager by second.

If she was thinking there's a chance that Amanda might go for the 'nice round number' of 20,000 with a 6,000 bet, then it's a good wager.
But in the event Megan gets it correct (she has to anyway, to give herself the best chance to win), she leaves nearly $6,000 on the table if she gets it and wins. Amanda would still be able to win with an incorrect if she happens to bet less than 4,000.
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Re: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby Category 13 » Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:57 am

seaborgium wrote:
Category 13 wrote:"I also had a problem with the writers pinning a Wings song "from 1977", when Maybe I'm Amazed actually originated in 1970. I wouldn't have buzzed in because I had no idea what the first part of the B&A was on that clue, but I was sitting there scratching my head trying to think of a McCartney song from that year.
Please leave the live version retro-releases in the archives from now on.

It wasn't a Wings song in 1970.

Oh, that's right. Same exact song except Denny Laine played guitar on the '1977' version (recorded on tour in 1976). All the more reason to throw the clue out.
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Re: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby Lefty » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:09 am

"Lord of the Flies" is up there with Pygmalion and Fahrenheit 451 as FJ fodder. And it hadn't come up since 2016. Also, "spectacles" sounds like what an English kid might say. I wouldn't call the film or any role in it "classic" but this hardly minimized my confidence that it was the answer.
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Re: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby kerryoakie » Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:53 am

Lord of the Flies never even crossed my radar as a possible choice; I've never seen the film and think of it as a more classic novel than film. When Alex said Piggy, I thought it was strange since that was such a recent FJ clue (same as everyone else, I suppose). I thought Augustus Gloop and said Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, just to have something down, though I was fairly confident he didn't have glasses and it was later than 1963.

Regarding the B&A Britney Spears/Cyndi Lauper clue, I'm surprised they didn't rule Megan incorrect. From my couch, it sounded like she said "Hit me one more time after time," but the Britney song is actually "...Baby One More Time". I didn't hear her say "baby" anywhere in her response. As a child of the 90s, I take my turn of the millennium pop songs very seriously :lol: .
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Re: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby opusthepenguin » Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:01 am

kerryoakie wrote:Regarding the B&A Britney Spears/Cyndi Lauper clue, I'm surprised they didn't rule Megan incorrect. From my couch, it sounded like she said "Hit me one more time after time," but the Britney song is actually "...Baby One More Time". I didn't hear her say "baby" anywhere in her response. As a child of the 90s, I take my turn of the millennium pop songs very seriously :lol: .

Sounds like you missed the part a little later where Alex reversed the ruling and took Megan's money away. He stated, as you do, that Megan hadn't said the word "baby". If I recall, he did this when Amanda landed on a DD so she'd have the right totals in front of her when considering her wager.
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Re: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby kerryoakie » Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:09 am

opusthepenguin wrote:
kerryoakie wrote:Regarding the B&A Britney Spears/Cyndi Lauper clue, I'm surprised they didn't rule Megan incorrect. From my couch, it sounded like she said "Hit me one more time after time," but the Britney song is actually "...Baby One More Time". I didn't hear her say "baby" anywhere in her response. As a child of the 90s, I take my turn of the millennium pop songs very seriously :lol: .

Sounds like you missed the part a little later where Alex reversed the ruling and took Megan's money away. He stated, as you do, that Megan hadn't said the word "baby". If I recall, he did this when Amanda landed on a DD so she'd have the right totals in front of her when considering her wager.


I must have been out of the room (mentally or physically) when that happened. Thanks for the clarification!
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Re: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby John Boy » Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:49 am

Elijah Baley wrote:No offense to the Jeopardy writers, but I don't think they remotely understood the FJ category. Say what you will about the book or the movie, Piggy is not a classic movie role. For starters, when I think of a movie role, I think about the actor or actress, like Humphrey Bogart as Sam Spade or Rick Blaine. A classic movie character is what they were looking for here. But even there, we could probably come up with 100 such characters and probably many from 1963 before landing on anyone in Lord of the Flies.



Thank you. I was trying to articulate my difficulty with this FJ as well:

Classic Movie Roles:

Rick Blaine in Casablanca (I truly thought this exactly)
Moses in The Ten Commandments
even Indiana Jones in Raiders of the Lost Ark

Uh, Piggy in LOTF? I really don't think so....

This reminds me of when I was trying to explain the word "iconic" to my tweener goddaughter, and mentioned "iconic bands" such as the Beatles. She brightened with understanding and said, "Oh, like One Direction?" Uh, not quite, honey. There's a bit of a difference between "iconic" and "flavor of the month."


Boo, double boo, and hiss to the writers on this one.
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Re: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby Stanislaus Jacob » Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:52 am

Elijah Baley wrote:No offense to the Jeopardy writers, but I don't think they remotely understood the FJ category. Say what you will about the book or the movie, Piggy is not a classic movie role. For starters, when I think of a movie role, I think about the actor or actress, like Humphrey Bogart as Sam Spade or Rick Blaine. A classic movie character is what they were looking for here. But even there, we could probably come up with 100 such characters and probably many from 1963 before landing on anyone in Lord of the Flies.

And Jeopardy's obsession with that book (and now movie) is more than a bit strange. My theory is that one of the writers was forced to write a theme about it in junior high and she or he has been making the rest of the world pay for that crime for many years now. It appears more than 20 times in the last 10 years.


I don't think two clues per year for a well-known book is that odd. But I am surprised by two FJ clues in a two-month period based on not just the same book but the same character. I think the reminder by OSXpert that there was a big gap between filming and airing of the Teen Tournament explains how this may have happened.
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Re: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby alietr » Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:05 am

jpr281 wrote:Totally misread the FJ clue. I thought they were asking for the actor. No clue. And LOTF never entered my mind.

mcsheffrey wrote:
What is "WLT"?


What led to...


You learn something every day. I thought it stood for "Why Look That up and learn something in the process when i can have everyone explain it to me instead".
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Re: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby Woppy T » Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:10 am

John Boy wrote:
This reminds me of when I was trying to explain the word "iconic" to my tweener goddaughter, and mentioned "iconic bands" such as the Beatles. She brightened with understanding and said, "Oh, like One Direction?" Uh, not quite, honey. There's a bit of a difference between "iconic" and "flavor of the month."


I am not going to compare One Direction to the Beatles or try to argue that they are "iconic." However, I would argue that they are more than the "flavor of the month." They have been around since 2010, so many kids have not known a world in which One Direction wasn't a big deal.
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Re: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby silverscreentest » Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:28 am

John Boy wrote:Thank you. I was trying to articulate my difficulty with this FJ as well:

Classic Movie Roles:

Rick Blaine in Casablanca (I truly thought this exactly)
Moses in The Ten Commandments
even Indiana Jones in Raiders of the Lost Ark

Uh, Piggy in LOTF? I really don't think so....



Even Alfonso Bedoya and Estelle Reiner had more memorable classic roles than Hugh Edwards as Piggy in the 1963 Lord of the Flies.

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Alfonso Bedoya said,"I don't have to show you any stinking badges," in Treasure of the Sierra Madre. Estelle Reiner said,"I'll have what she's having," in When Harry Met Sally.


A certified iconic role introduced in 1963 was Peter Sellers as Inspector Clouseau in The Pink Panther. The category should have been labeled something more generic like "LITERATURE INTO FILM"

My closed captioning read "[imitating Boris Karloff as Dracula] Dracula, yes." Of course, Alex was imitating Bela Lugosi as Dracula...Unless the captioner thought the impression was so bad it sounded like Boris Karloff. Might as well be imitating Bob Dylan as Dracula.:)
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