Thursday, February 16, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Re: Thursday, February 16, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Maven » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:03 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:"Shareware" is not free. That was a bad clue.
opusthepenguin wrote:I would say it's not necessarily free, but I had the same thought.
bpmod wrote:By definition it is not free. The fact that seldom is it paid for notwithstanding.
Me four. I can't believe I am admitting to this, but I short-circuited on that clue because of two factors...one, if it's free, it's near-automatically freeware (which slipped from my lips as my brain said "No! WAIT!! It's gotta RHYME!!"). And two, shareware as a term is just not really in use these days (or at least so I've crazily thought) and for sometime since the early-mid 2000's. Since then, and with or without a free trial, it's just simply paid software (or 'apps', given the nature of Windows 10, as well as the last couple or so Apple/Mac OSes), at least as far as I've observed. But evidently, on some plane of existence, some software is still called shareware somewhere.
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Re: Thursday, February 16, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by opusthepenguin » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:13 pm

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TenPoundHammer wrote:"Shareware" is not free. That was a bad clue.
I would say it's not necessarily free, but I had the same thought.
By definition it is not free. The fact that seldom is it paid for notwithstanding.
Some shareware is free for non-commercial use. Some shareware is free as long as you can live without the advanced features. Some shareware is free if you don't mind advertisements. Etc. etc.

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Post by econgator » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:15 pm

opusthepenguin wrote:
bpmod wrote:
opusthepenguin wrote:
TenPoundHammer wrote:"Shareware" is not free. That was a bad clue.
I would say it's not necessarily free, but I had the same thought.
By definition it is not free. The fact that seldom is it paid for notwithstanding.
Some shareware is free for non-commercial use. Some shareware is free as long as you can live without the advanced features. Some shareware is free if you don't mind advertisements. Etc. etc.
All they had to say was "initially free" or "free to download".

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Post by seaborgium » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:53 pm

Oftentimes, when I see people calling something negbait here, I think (and sometimes express) that they shouldn't blame the writers for their own lack of knowledge that made the wrong answer attractive. Having had this attitude toward other people's posts is now causing me to resist asserting that the UAE clue in the "EM" category was negbait for Yemen. (If anyone else wants to say it first, though, I might go ahead and agree with you!)

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Post by econgator » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:01 am

seaborgium wrote:Oftentimes, when I see people calling something negbait here, I think (and sometimes express) that they shouldn't blame the writers for their own lack of knowledge that made the wrong answer attractive. Having had this attitude toward other people's posts is now causing me to resist asserting that the UAE clue in the "EM" category was negbait for Yemen. (If anyone else wants to say it first, though, I might go ahead and agree with you!)
I forget the exact clue, but my first thought was, yeah, that's some negbait.

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Post by IronNeck » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:02 am

seaborgium wrote:Oftentimes, when I see people calling something negbait here, I think (and sometimes express) that they shouldn't blame the writers for their own lack of knowledge that made the wrong answer attractive. Having had this attitude toward other people's posts is now causing me to resist asserting that the UAE clue in the "EM" category was negbait for Yemen. (If anyone else wants to say it first, though, I might go ahead and agree with you!)
I completely agree with all parts of this post. I dislike and try to avoid using the term "negbait" for precisely that reason. At the same time, yeah, "Yemen" is a very forgivable neg on that clue. It would take an outstanding player to very quickly come up with both UAE and Yemen and realize the former is correct. More likely, a player only comes up with one country and goes with it. Or gets it on the rebound.

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Post by BigDaddyMatty » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:05 am

dinghammer wrote:Will I be the only person who immediately thought of Brasilia, then thought that would be way too easy, so "Latinized" must mean something else, then just picked another random South American capital? Yes? Okay.
I stuck with Brasilia, but I tried like heck to figure out if there was some way to make Georgetown, Guyana fit the clue.
seaborgium wrote:Oftentimes, when I see people calling something negbait here, I think (and sometimes express) that they shouldn't blame the writers for their own lack of knowledge that made the wrong answer attractive. Having had this attitude toward other people's posts is now causing me to resist asserting that the UAE clue in the "EM" category was negbait for Yemen. (If anyone else wants to say it first, though, I might go ahead and agree with you!)
I'll be your huckleberry. I didn't include it in my initial post for the sake of the brevity, but, yeah, come on. That's pretty much the epitome (empitome? epiteme?) of negbait.

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Post by mxc_takeshi » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:31 am

35 right.

Those (3), Athlete (5), Free (1), Web (5), Beasts (2), "EM" (4)
Madam (3), Lit (2), 1 Vowel, 3 Times (2), Statue (4), News (4), Nutrition (0)

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I got to Brasilia right away, then hesitated and went through the others just in case I missed something, but my first instinct was correct.

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Post by seaborgium » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:38 am

I figured the countries in the clue must have made it clear that it was the UAE and not Yemen, but further inspection shows me that Yemen borders the exact same two countries the UAE does, so only "southwest" and "southeast" in the clue narrowed it down between the two (Yemen has water to its south).

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Post by Rackme32 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:11 am

opusthepenguin wrote:
TenPoundHammer wrote:"Shareware" is not free. That was a bad clue.
I would say it's not necessarily free, but I had the same thought.
Me free... errrr three.

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Post by rpg » Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:34 am

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MinnesotaMyron wrote:
“Bring Up the Bodies” is Hilary Mantel’s sequel to this historical novel about the rise to power of Thomas Cromwell
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What is (2009 Man Booker Prize winner) Wolf Hall?
Jeopardy sure asks about it a lot. I didn't have a clue.
Me neither, but it's interesting that it's nearly identical to this clue from 2013:
In "Bring Up the Bodies", Hilary Mantel continues the 16th c. saga of Thomas Cromwell, begun in this book
I got this clue today because I've memorized that exact clue.

Looks like my dismay at the FJ betting and at the UAE clue has already been expressed. For the latter, I saw Saudi Arabia and Oman in the clue and, knowing Yemen borders both, was extremely confident it was correct, so I did the mental equivalent of a spittake when Alex ruled it incorrect.

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Post by Bamaman » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:02 am

dinghammer wrote:Will I be the only person who immediately thought of Brasilia, then thought that would be way too easy, so "Latinized" must mean something else, then just picked another random South American capital? Yes? Okay.
Who did you pick?

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Post by BobF » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:15 am

Anybody go with San Salvador for final? I had that as my answer for about 8 seconds before I realized El Salvador is not in South America and I fortunately came up with the correct answer in time.
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Post by alietr » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:33 am

Good thing I forgot the category, because I did the geography in my head and came up with UAE instantly, then did a quick check on 'em' and answered. I hadn't thought about it, but Yemen was some serious negbait on that one.

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Post by twelvefootboy » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:32 am

alietr wrote:Good thing I forgot the category, because I did the geography in my head and came up with UAE instantly, then did a quick check on 'em' and answered. I hadn't thought about it, but Yemen was some serious negbait on that one.
1) Props to alietr for the powerful right brain processing.
2) Boo to the writers - imho it doesn't even fit the category because we all know this as UAE. Would Alex have given the BMS to the answer as "UAE"?
3) Props to the student that got the rebound (can't remember which one). After seeing someone scorched for $1K, how do you not stay clam?

It was a mean question. If they wanted to use UAE, they should have gone with "this three word name...", or some other track.
No hate to the writers, btw. I have to believe they made a mistake.
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Post by silverscreentest » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:10 am

twelvefootboy wrote:
alietr wrote:Good thing I forgot the category, because I did the geography in my head and came up with UAE instantly, then did a quick check on 'em' and answered. I hadn't thought about it, but Yemen was some serious negbait on that one.
1) Props to alietr for the powerful right brain processing.
2) Boo to the writers - imho it doesn't even fit the category because we all know this as UAE. Would Alex have given the BMS to the answer as "UAE"?
3) Props to the student that got the rebound (can't remember which one). After seeing someone scorched for $1K, how do you not stay clam?

It was a mean question. If they wanted to use UAE, they should have gone with "this three word name...", or some other track.
No hate to the writers, btw. I have to believe they made a mistake.
What mistake was that?
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Post by econgator » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:32 am

twelvefootboy wrote:2) Boo to the writers - imho it doesn't even fit the category because we all know this as UAE. Would Alex have given the BMS to the answer as "UAE"?
Of course it fits the category and there would have been no BMS. It needed to have "em" in the response, so it's outright wrong.
3) Props to the student that got the rebound (can't remember which one). After seeing someone scorched for $1K, how do you not stay clam?
I would have been shocked if they had. If you know one, you likely know the other. So, once Yemen is eliminated, it makes it pretty easy.

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Post by This Is Kirk! » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:35 am

twelvefootboy wrote: 2) Boo to the writers - imho it doesn't even fit the category because we all know this as UAE. Would Alex have given the BMS to the answer as "UAE"?
Come on. Of course it fits the category. People may refer to the country as "UAE," but people should know it's the United Arab Emirates. I see no reason Alex would need to BMS a response of "what is the UAE?"

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Post by twelvefootboy » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:39 am

silverscreentest wrote:
1) Props to alietr for the powerful right brain processing.
2) Boo to the writers - imho it doesn't even fit the category because we all know this as UAE. Would Alex have given the BMS to the answer as "UAE"?
3) Props to the student that got the rebound (can't remember which one). After seeing someone scorched for $1K, how do you not stay clam?

It was a mean question. If they wanted to use UAE, they should have gone with "this three word name...", or some other track.
No hate to the writers, btw. I have to believe they made a mistake.
What mistake was that?[/quote]

Is this a rhetorical question? There's been a dozen posts on this already. I will give the writers the benefit of the doubt that they didn't intend it as a trick question.
A geography TOM is perfectly acceptable (IMHO) in a "quotation mark" category if
a) the country name is regular usage, and
b) there isn't an extremely similar, but barely incorrect alternate answer that has been in the news for a few years, even before the recent immigration/refugee fiasco.
My opinion only, I don't pretend to be a Jeopardista. Based on the rest of the softball questions this week, I think the writers overlooked the wickedness of this clue. My confirmation bias is reinforced by many other posts on here from very smart people who missed it for the same reasons.
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Post by Woof » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:48 am

opusthepenguin wrote:
TenPoundHammer wrote:"Shareware" is not free. That was a bad clue.
I would say it's not necessarily free, but I had the same thought.
Yup, the free stuff is known as "freeware," not shareware, at least in the circles I travel in.

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