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Mathew5000 wrote:
Lumosityfan wrote:I just wanted to say (although I don't know whether they changed this for the other tournaments) that for our tournament, Maggie said that they changed the rules when it came to triple-zero outcomes. If the repeat of the second semifinal of last year's Teen Tournament occurs, the three players would play a tiebreaker clue instead.
That's really interesting.

Just to clarify, have they changed the rule for triple-0 final scores in quarter-final games as well? Or just semi-final games?

Presumably the rule change applies to all tournaments, not just the teen tournament.
I think it may be the rule for all games where there can be a triple zero game. I think.
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jeff6286 wrote:I hope they checked with bpmod before they made this change. He was pretty adamant last year that you cannot win a game of Jeopardy! with a score of $0. :mrgreen:
You may not recall that I made that assertion under the rules as they stood on that day. They can change the rules as they see fit (although I do believe it is a stupid change) as it is their game to change.

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bpmod wrote:
jeff6286 wrote:I hope they checked with bpmod before they made this change. He was pretty adamant last year that you cannot win a game of Jeopardy! with a score of $0. :mrgreen:
You may not recall that I made that assertion under the rules as they stood on that day. They can change the rules as they see fit (although I do believe it is a stupid change) as it is their game to change.

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In the UTOC, Maggie was clear that there HAD to be a winner in each game, even with $0 – probably because there were no wild cards available at any point.

There are really only three pre-Final situations in which a triple-zero is feasible: a three-way tie, a two-way tie with third ≤ $0, or a two-way tie with third = 1/2 of the tied score.
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My problem with the way they handled the triple zero game last year is that the players in the third semifinal had a huge advantage in getting a wild card over those in the first semifinal. They should have just locked them away until their game was played like they do in the semifinal.

I'm on the fence about the new rule. On one hand, it would suck to be in a three way tie going into FJ and then hit a tough FJ that is a TS. But on the other hand, the players last year just made bad bets on their own. I wish Keith's video series had existed then.

Though it is rare, I hope this rule does not extend to regular play games.
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Bamaman wrote:My problem with the way they handled the triple zero game last year is that the players in the third semifinal had a huge advantage in getting a wild card over those in the first semifinal. They should have just locked them away until their game was played like they do in the semifinal.
I'm not posting to disagree with you, but the way those semis played out, that advantage proved moot (which I was pleased about). All three players in SF3 entered FJ with a higher score than SF1's second-place player (Irene Vasquez) had entering her FJ. SF3's FJ was a triple get, and Irene missed hers, so she wouldn't have made the cut even if she'd played after the triple zero.
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seaborgium wrote:
Bamaman wrote:My problem with the way they handled the triple zero game last year is that the players in the third semifinal had a huge advantage in getting a wild card over those in the first semifinal. They should have just locked them away until their game was played like they do in the semifinal.
I'm not posting to disagree with you, but the way those semis played out, that advantage proved moot (which I was pleased about). All three players in SF3 entered FJ with a higher score than SF1's second-place player (Irene Vasquez) had entering her FJ. SF3's FJ was a triple get, and Irene missed hers, so she wouldn't have made the cut even if she'd played after the triple zero.
Oh, I understand it wound up not really mattering, but the scores could have fallen various ways that would dramatically alter how FJ wagering went.
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Bamaman wrote:Though it is rare, I hope this rule does not extend to regular play games.
If the rule change applied to regular-play games, unless it was made the only time a tiebreaker can happen in such a game, then we'd have co-champions as with ties at any other score (it'd be weird for a player to be announced to have a total of $0).
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GoodStrategy wrote:
Bamaman wrote:Though it is rare, I hope this rule does not extend to regular play games.
If the rule change applied to regular-play games, unless it was made the only time a tiebreaker can happen in such a game, then we'd have co-champions as with ties at any other score (it'd be weird for a player to be announced to have a total of $0).
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Bamaman wrote:Though it is rare, I hope this rule does not extend to regular play games.
I think you are more likely to see TPTB eliminate ties, particularly if the trend we saw the final two weeks of the season takes hold.
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Vermonter wrote:
Bamaman wrote:Though it is rare, I hope this rule does not extend to regular play games.
I think you are more likely to see TPTB eliminate ties, particularly if the trend we saw the final two weeks of the season takes hold.
If that ends up happening then your suggestion of wagering to tie will be of historical interest only. (Another case I've thought they may do is make it where tied contestants "share" the cash. In other words if there are two co-champions each finishing with a score of $20,000 then instead of both getting the full amount that $20,000 is split between the two so each gets $10,000. That would discourage ties but still make them a rational possibility in certain scenarios.)
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I am wondering, since they redesigned the set I think a few seasons ago, they don't have the FJ category and question on the "big screen" any more - at least not from our perspective. However, from watching the shows, it still seems apparent that the contestants are looking ahead at the big board while they ponder FJ, is the category there as well? (I'm guessing so, but since I"m making an assumption on the other part ... )
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I was in the first episode with the new screen; I can tell you they still show the category on the big board.
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i thought it was pretty obvious during the pan at the start of FJ! that the category and clue are still on the big board.
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MarkBarrett wrote:The news about Jesse Jackson Jr. resigning had me thinking about controversial/notorious Jeopardy! players. Who else goes on the list?

Barbara Lowe
Doak Fairey
Jeff Kirby

I'll leave it others to add the power player types known to be too liberal or too conservative that could be included.
Here's one more to add to the list: http://www.j-archive.com/showplayer.php?player_id=5064 with Claire Ogilvie

http://www.wcvb.com/news/former-game-sh ... 22#!bHyVdW

I don't like her chances to get the WOF trifecta.
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MarkBarrett wrote:The news about Jesse Jackson Jr. resigning had me thinking about controversial/notorious Jeopardy! players. Who else goes on the list?

Barbara Lowe
Doak Fairey
Jeff Kirby

I'll leave it others to add the power player types known to be too liberal or too conservative that could be included.
This is rather sad: a Canadian lawyer who played in the first game with doubled clue values (Nov. 26, 2001), later was accused of impropriety in administering a trust related to the McMichael Canadian Art Collection. He was subject to various court orders requiring him to repay about $1.1-million in total, when he died suddenly in 2011:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/10/08 ... ael-trust/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/tor ... cle565389/
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2011/02 ... _cash.html
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I'm guessing any player that gets into politics at all could be considered "controversial" depending on your politics.
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Season 14 1-time champ CHad Pridgen did some inappropriate things with students at Camarillo High and got a 10 year sentence in 2003, as per a web search.
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This recent discussion shows that just because you've been on Jeopardy! doesn't mean you are smart. You can be incredibly, mind-numingly stupid and still be on Jeopardy!
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legendneverdies wrote:Season 14 1-time champ CHad Pridgen did some inappropriate things with students at Camarillo High and got a 10 year sentence in 2003, as per a web search.
BTW, the Archive shows Chad wasn't a champ, came in third in his game.
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dhkendall wrote: You can be incredibly, mind-numingly stupid and still be on Jeopardy!
So there is hope for me.
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