Friday, March 30, 2012 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]
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Re: Friday, March 30, 2012 Game Recap & Discussion (SPOILERS)
Several of my ancestors were named Sarah. I'm certain none of them were Jewish.
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Subcontinental divide
It is in India.TenPoundHammer wrote:Is it well known that the Gir forest and/or Gujarat State are in India?
Depends on how one defines "from": Reagan was born in Illinois; Nixon's legal residence was in New York when he ran in 1968.Austin Powers wrote:Well I don't understand that logic, California for example played as obvious role in national American politics (Hoover, Nixon, Reagan for starters). Texas had three presidents with ties to that state, etc, off the top of my head two presidents were from Massachusetts, etc.
Why a large number of them have names like Schultz and Mengele is a more pertinent question.goforthetie wrote:Or you could ask yourself why so many Argentines have names like Ginobili, Messi, Sabatini...
One should never underestimate the value and virtue of absolute consistency.TenPoundHammer wrote:Seriously though, about that guessing thing. Every guess I make is wrong. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.
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I had never heard of those places, but they sounded Indian and "state" also led me there.Sage on the Hudson wrote:It is in India.TenPoundHammer wrote:Is it well known that the Gir forest and/or Gujarat State are in India?
goforthetie wrote:Or you could ask yourself why so many Argentines have names like Ginobili, Messi, Sabatini...
Actually, when he said German was the #4 language spoken there, I did think of the Nazi migration.Why a large number of them have names like Schultz and Mengele is a more pertinent question.
TenPoundHammer wrote:Seriously though, about that guessing thing. Every guess I make is wrong. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.
Clamming on a basketball question in the middle of the game is fine. Clamming on FJ, especially when you have a short list of possible answers, all of which you have heard of, is foolish.One should never underestimate the value and virtue of absolute consistency.
Though probably not nearly as foolish as me to keep trying to get TPH to change his ways.
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Re: Friday, March 30, 2012 Game Recap & Discussion (SPOILERS)
No less than 9 lach trash pickups in J alone for my wife and me. Whats up with that. Fun game to watch though, what with 3 attractive contestants competing.
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I don't know what the correct pronunciation is. But around Cleveland (where the word gets said A LOT!) I've heard that first syllable uttered as "kie," "kuh," pretty much everything BUT "KEEL-basa." Almost as if everyone had a, well, you know, lodged in his throat....dhkendall wrote:
Judges: I said "kubasa" (KOO-ba-sah) in K $800 (chuckled at the "Krossword Klues 'K'" title) - originally I came on to say "I know that's not the requisite number of letters and therefore wrong, but could "kielbasa" be concievably pronounced that way to give me credit?" Then a quick Wikipedia check tells me that Canadians generally call "kielbasa" "kubasa", so I could blame it on my ethnicity. Still fall short in the requisite number of letters, but perhaps lenience in pronunciation? (ie if I said "kubasa", would they think I'm trying to pronounce "kielbasa" and credit me?)
Meanwhile, as much as I hate FJs where there are as many hypothetically correct choices as this one, I did manage to WAG NY. All I did was think that the greater likelihood was an eastern state, then from somewhere got a memory of Nelson Rockefeller, couldn't think of a second VP from NY, wrote down NY, and couldn't come up with anything else before time ran out. As thought processes go, not my finest moment, but it worked for once.
Note to no one in particular: although it was a guess, it had a higher probability of being correct than if I had written nothing. Just sayin'....
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So, was Dewey never VP? I don't know anything about y'all's Veeps, but I thought I had read somewhere recently that Dewey was among the former NY Governors who had served that position. It may have been a dream, but it seemed to have been worded sorta like that, too... like NY Governors had gone on to bigger and better positions in greater numbers.
Anyway, I have driven the Dewey Tollway more times than I can remember, and, therefore always associate him with New York.
And, a get's a get, no matter how you got there.
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Anyway, I have driven the Dewey Tollway more times than I can remember, and, therefore always associate him with New York.
And, a get's a get, no matter how you got there.
Brian
...but the senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity.
If I had 50 cents for every math question I got right, I'd have $6.30 by now.
If I had 50 cents for every math question I got right, I'd have $6.30 by now.
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Oh, and kielbasa... it's Polish for sausage. I learned a fair amount of Polish back in the day, and I remember being laughed at by my Polish friends for referring to a particular type of sausage as kielbasa (I have pronounced it correctly ever since a few (non-Polish) friends did a skit in a HS talent show that involved the word (my Eureka moment: kielbasa & kuhbasa are the same thing!)), when "anybody knows" that all kielbasa (regardless of where it's from) is kielbasa.
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...but the senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity.
If I had 50 cents for every math question I got right, I'd have $6.30 by now.
If I had 50 cents for every math question I got right, I'd have $6.30 by now.
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Re: Friday, March 30, 2012 Game Recap & Discussion (SPOILERS)
Dewey was a Republican, so in his active years in politics there were either Democrat presidents or Eisenhower, who had Nixon as his veep.bpmod wrote:So, was Dewey never VP? I don't know anything about y'all's Veeps, but I thought I had read somewhere recently that Dewey was among the former NY Governors who had served that position. It may have been a dream, but it seemed to have been worded sorta like that, too... like NY Governors had gone on to bigger and better positions in greater numbers.
Anyway, I have driven the Dewey Tollway more times than I can remember, and, therefore always associate him with New York.
And, a get's a get, no matter how you got there.
Brian
On FJ I had had a long day and instead of working backwards I just tried to think of governors who became veeps and couldn't come up with anything so I wagged California.
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Barcelona, 1992.ACW wrote:Stockton to LARRY BIRD?
I got no hits on "Edie Piaf" although "Eddie Piaf" came up.TenPoundHammer wrote:That said, even with Edie short for Edith, is there any record of her going by Edie?
Even though it was over thirty years ago, I could vividly remember during the reading of the clue how I first head the term but could not pull up the word "kadish." Ugh!
Rockefeller was also part of my FJ! precall, so no problem there.
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Gujarat didn't sound remotely Indian to me, and "Gir" had me thinking about that hyperactive little robot thing from Invader Zim.Bamaman wrote:I had never heard of those places, but they sounded Indian and "state" also led me there.Sage on the Hudson wrote:It is in India.TenPoundHammer wrote:Is it well known that the Gir forest and/or Gujarat State are in India?
But, as it turned out on Thursday, clamming on FJ! wasn't too foolish, since the first answer I ruled out of a limited pool happened to be the right one — leaving me in the catch-22 of "wrong answer" or "no answer".Clamming on a basketball question in the middle of the game is fine. Clamming on FJ, especially when you have a short list of possible answers, all of which you have heard of, is foolish.
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Yes, it's shocking that something you know like the back of your hand could be so badly overvalued. Absolutely shocking. Sorry, but science and math may be strong suits of most here, but they're not for most non-engineer, non-mathematican types, believe it or not. Just saying …xxaaaxx wrote:Fermat for 2000 when spotted "last theorom"?!
As someone who has watched waaaaaay too many hours of legal dramas and cop shows, I should've been all over exculpatory instead of muttering exclusionary, but I was surprised when they negged it, and waited for the reversal.
Precalled Rockefeller for FJ, then was thrilled to see a clue referring to him (in part). Nice and easy to close out the 5/5.
Sorry to see you go, Beau. When is the last time a 3-dayer made it into the TOC?
That said, as an English major, I found those bottom three Poe clues extremely difficult. I was sure, too, that the Cask of Amontillado would make it in there somewhere (it's a fave of J! writers) or Auguste Dupin and the Murders in Rue Morgue. Keeping it fresh, I suppose.
This is one of those games were after a few bad misses, and with dollar totals becoming ever smaller, gun-shy-ness becomes contagious.
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There wasn't a Ford in our future after all
Theodore Roosevelt came to mind instantly, but I just couldn't think of whom the second New Yorker (despite having grown up in New York) might be until the memory of what "Rocky" supposedly remarked when Gerald Ford asked him to be Veep: "I never wanted to be vice president of anything."John Boy wrote:Meanwhile, as much as I hate FJs where there are as many hypothetically correct choices as this one, I did manage to WAG NY. All I did was think that the greater likelihood was an eastern state, then from somewhere got a memory of Nelson Rockefeller, couldn't think of a second VP from NY, wrote down NY, and couldn't come up with anything else before time ran out. As thought processes go, not my finest moment, but it worked for once.
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Re: Friday, March 30, 2012 Game Recap & Discussion (SPOILERS)
heisman - I'm definitely with you on the science and math being a weak spot of mine (although, judging by your nick and avatar, we're probably at odds about our relative strength in sports categories), very poor at both, but I've heard of "Fermat's Last Theorem", but that's almost all I know about it. The only other thing I know about it is that it's some impossible math thing that wasn't proven until recently. That is it. Have no idea what it is about, and the Wikipedia page soon bored me, couldn't make heads or tails of it (yeah, I know, starting to sound like TPH there). However, the clue fit the bill, so rang in.heisman65 wrote:Yes, it's shocking that something you know like the back of your hand could be so badly overvalued. Absolutely shocking. Sorry, but science and math may be strong suits of most here, but they're not for most non-engineer, non-mathematican types, believe it or not. Just saying …xxaaaxx wrote:Fermat for 2000 when spotted "last theorom"?!
As someone who has watched waaaaaay too many hours of legal dramas and cop shows, I should've been all over exculpatory instead of muttering exclusionary, but I was surprised when they negged it, and waited for the reversal.
Precalled Rockefeller for FJ, then was thrilled to see a clue referring to him (in part). Nice and easy to close out the 5/5.
Sorry to see you go, Beau. When is the last time a 3-dayer made it into the TOC?
If we were complaining about "Einstein for 2000 when spotted 'theory of relativity'?", would you have said the same thing?
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No. Einstein and his theory are quite common knowledge, I believe. Maybe the most famous theory ever. I get that the tease-out is that it was his last and that it was unproven until recently (and I get that's all you need to know), but it still drew a blank from me, although I did get the previous four clues. And looking at the J! Archive, Fermat has only come up seven times in the past 22 years (and only once in the three years since I've been watching), so it isn't nearly as common as Einstein, or even Euclid or Pythagoras, whom I always get.dhkendall wrote:heisman - I'm definitely with you on the science and math being a weak spot of mine (although, judging by your nick and avatar, we're probably at odds about our relative strength in sports categories), very poor at both, but I've heard of "Fermat's Last Theorem", but that's almost all I know about it. The only other thing I know about it is that it's some impossible math thing that wasn't proven until recently. That is it. Have no idea what it is about, and the Wikipedia page soon bored me, couldn't make heads or tails of it (yeah, I know, starting to sound like TPH there). However, the clue fit the bill, so rang in.heisman65 wrote:Yes, it's shocking that something you know like the back of your hand could be so badly overvalued. Absolutely shocking. Sorry, but science and math may be strong suits of most here, but they're not for most non-engineer, non-mathematican types, believe it or not. Just saying …xxaaaxx wrote:Fermat for 2000 when spotted "last theorom"?!
As someone who has watched waaaaaay too many hours of legal dramas and cop shows, I should've been all over exculpatory instead of muttering exclusionary, but I was surprised when they negged it, and waited for the reversal.
Precalled Rockefeller for FJ, then was thrilled to see a clue referring to him (in part). Nice and easy to close out the 5/5.
Sorry to see you go, Beau. When is the last time a 3-dayer made it into the TOC?
If we were complaining about "Einstein for 2000 when spotted 'theory of relativity'?", would you have said the same thing?
Math and science for me are like the Bible — an infinite body of knowledge that unless you've actually studied them, are nearly impossible to get your head completely around, unlike, say U.S. presidents, Greek gods or Super Bowl winners.
I'm just saying it wasn't the gimme that some believe it was.
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Interesting that you mention that, since I file it under things that "unless you've actually studied them, are nearly impossible to get your head completely around." Which team won their respective sport's championship in what year, or who played for what team, or what position they played, or anything like that.heisman65 wrote:Math and science for me are like the Bible — an infinite body of knowledge that unless you've actually studied them, are nearly impossible to get your head completely around, unlike, say U.S. presidents, Greek gods or Super Bowl winners.
I'm just saying it wasn't the gimme that some believe it was.
Sports is just a massive body of information that I can't get myself into, even for the love of knowledge and trivia.
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Re: Subcontinental divide
It is the most western state in India(if not mistaken). South of that, you have the Mumbai state(Maha-something) and the people here speak Marathi, and south of that is a dot of land/state called "Goa" (Portguese surnames for most of the Indians here).Sage on the Hudson wrote:TenPoundHammer wrote:Is it well known that the Gir forest and/or Gujarat State are in India?
GO down skip a few states and you reached the one closest to Sri Lanka/Ceylon and this one is called Tamil Nadu with the city of Madras(British naming)/Chennai(Indian naming). You can remember that they speak TAMIL (one of the official languages of Singapore and official language of Sri Lanka) from the state's name. GO back up on the eastern coast, skip all those states until you reach the "eastern corner of India", and you will have the state West Bengal(east of Bangladesh) and this is the state where Kolkata/Calcutta is.
That is what I remember and find that most people will need to know about Indian Geography. When you meet someone of Indian descent, it will be a great convo-starter as most people will be surprised that you know these stuff.
P.s. Don't ask Indian people how to say "such-and-such" in "Indian! As this is incorrect, and the same goes for Chinese!
Hope I helped!
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Same here. Not the only thing though.marpocky wrote:Sports is just a massive body of information that I can't get myself into, even for the love of knowledge and trivia.
Thanks for the India info too, CyrusChan.
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What wonderful hindsight you have!TenPoundHammer wrote:...
But, as it turned out on Thursday, clamming on FJ! wasn't too foolish, since the first answer I ruled out of a limited pool happened to be the right one — leaving me in the catch-22 of "wrong answer" or "no answer".
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Lucky for you, and I'm guessing many others here, sports don't come up nearly as much as math and science. Plus they keep it pretty consistent in what they ask for when sports do come up — Hall Of Famers, modern stars, great teams, stadiums. And what they ask for in those sub-categories is pretty finite. For science and math, the ground seems to be forever shifting. Master your historical figures, and they throw technical terms or theorems at you. Get your noble gases down cold, and you get the alkalis. And on and on … such is the joy of Jeopardy! I guess.marpocky wrote:Interesting that you mention that, since I file it under things that "unless you've actually studied them, are nearly impossible to get your head completely around." Which team won their respective sport's championship in what year, or who played for what team, or what position they played, or anything like that.heisman65 wrote:Math and science for me are like the Bible — an infinite body of knowledge that unless you've actually studied them, are nearly impossible to get your head completely around, unlike, say U.S. presidents, Greek gods or Super Bowl winners.
I'm just saying it wasn't the gimme that some believe it was.
Sports is just a massive body of information that I can't get myself into, even for the love of knowledge and trivia.
BTW, there are only 46 Super Bowl winners, and many teams have won more than one, which are usually the ones that come up the most.
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Re: Friday, March 30, 2012 Game Recap & Discussion (SPOILERS)
Isn't there someone who could say that about every clue? TPH reminds us of that all the time, and the other day I screwed up an FJ about the city where I live. That's why I'm not much interested in whether a clue is overvalued or undervalued, and I try to suppress my astonishment at some triple stumpers...heisman65 wrote: I'm just saying it wasn't the gimme that some believe it was.
Maybe Beau thought the end of her name was silent, as it would be in France if there was no "h." I would have asked him to repeat it, and if he didn't pick up the "t" or "th" sound would have reluctantly negged him...TenPoundHammer wrote: That said, even with Edie short for Edith, is there any record of her going by Edie?
But if Crawford slipped his mind, Michael Ball, the response he gave, was not a bad guess. Ball was in Phantom (though he played Raoul), he's been in other Lloyd Webber shows since, and he's arguably a bigger theater star in the UK than Crawford. Not especially likely to come up on Jeopardy!, it's true...Onairb wrote:This edges the 'Larry Bird' response as the biggest 'D'OH!' of the night. If you don't know basketball, and just say the first name that comes to mind, it's understandable. I could even overlook saying 'The Lucy Show' instead of 'I Love Lucy'. However, a 'musical theatre guy' not knowing Crawford played the Phantom is like a baseball infan/'student of the game' not knowing which team(pick one), Ruth/DiMaggio/Mantle played for. There are some things that even people who supposedly know 'nothing' about a category would get...even 20-plus years later, Crawford would be that 'first name they could think of' for a lot of people in a 'Phantom' clue (like Robert Goulet was-eventually- synonymous with 'Camelot' in the '80s).alamble wrote:Michael McDonald was valued just right; it's Michael Crawford who was undervalued, though Beau, as a student of musical theatre who studied in Scotland, probably should've gotten that one. (Sorry Beau, if you're reading this)Roadgeek Adam wrote:
Also, Michael McDonald was undervalued and Michael Bolton was overvalued in my book.