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Re: Reretaken Down

Postby xxaaaxx » Mon May 28, 2012 1:27 am


"People have complained that I posted spoilers without warning, but rather than just admit to being inconsiderate, here's an article where I simply declare such complaints to be invalid. If what you're reading can be spoiled so easily, then next time pick a book that isn't so shallow. And hey, even if I have "spoiled" it, now you can enjoy it in a brand new way!"

Maybe I'm taking this the wrong way. Was that article supposed to be satire? I'm not very good at detecting subtlety.
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Re: Reretaken Down

Postby seaborgium » Mon May 28, 2012 2:12 am

I don't think so. I read it as "spoilers aren't as bad as they're cracked up to be."
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Re: Reretaken Down

Postby bpmod » Mon May 28, 2012 6:15 am

xxaaaxx wrote:

"People have complained that I posted spoilers without warning, but rather than just admit to being inconsiderate, here's an article where I simply declare such complaints to be invalid. If what you're reading can be spoiled so easily, then next time pick a book that isn't so shallow. And hey, even if I have "spoiled" it, now you can enjoy it in a brand new way!"

Maybe I'm taking this the wrong way. Was that article supposed to be satire? I'm not very good at detecting subtlety.

I don't know. I think you summed it up perfectly.

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Re: Reretaken Down

Postby Volante » Mon May 28, 2012 11:25 am

xxaaaxx wrote:

"People have complained that I posted spoilers without warning, but rather than just admit to being inconsiderate, here's an article where I simply declare such complaints to be invalid. If what you're reading can be spoiled so easily, then next time pick a book that isn't so shallow. And hey, even if I have "spoiled" it, now you can enjoy it in a brand new way!"

Maybe I'm taking this the wrong way. Was that article supposed to be satire? I'm not very good at detecting subtlety.

It's not satire. He's just making excuses for pissing off his readership.

What jerkwad, I mean, respected NY times opinion/blog writer, fails to grasp is that there's a world of difference between giving the reader a choice to read the spoiler and just flat out going Hamlet dies!

Also: http://www.collegehumor.com/video/67394 ... iler-rules (Movies not included; IMO they get until one week after being on Netflix...as the window's like, 3 months long these days...)
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Re: Reretaken Down

Postby bpmod » Mon May 28, 2012 11:32 am

Volante wrote:What jerkwad, I mean, respected NY times opinion/blog writer, fails to grasp is that there's a world of difference between giving the reader a choice to read the spoiler and just flat out going Hamlet dies!

Also: http://www.collegehumor.com/video/67394 ... iler-rules (Movies not included; IMO they get until one week after being on Netflix...as the window's like, 3 months long these days...)

What!?!? Hamlet???! Dies?!?!!?

BTW, that clip is priceless. Except... Pig Latin, no; Mandarin, yes??

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Re: Reretaken Down

Postby dhkendall » Mon May 28, 2012 5:17 pm

xxaaaxx wrote:

"People have complained that I posted spoilers without warning, but rather than just admit to being inconsiderate, here's an article where I simply declare such complaints to be invalid. If what you're reading can be spoiled so easily, then next time pick a book that isn't so shallow. And hey, even if I have "spoiled" it, now you can enjoy it in a brand new way!"

Maybe I'm taking this the wrong way. Was that article supposed to be satire? I'm not very good at detecting subtlety.


My subtlety detector regularly malfunctions as well. (as does my sarcasm detector, but I think they're two functions of the same device)

Personally, I guess it's the kind of spoiler that I'm worried about being spoiled on - isn't a problem with books, movies, even most TV shows, as there's really only one type of spoiler (plot), but with J!, I don't mind getting spoiled on results (which is why I don't mind going to jeopardy.com every now and then because the spoiler powers of the weekly clip have no effect on me), but I do mind getting spoiled on clues.
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Your trivia fact of the day

Postby dhkendall » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:41 am

Today, Samoa celebrates 50 years of independence. However, today is not the 50th anniversary of its independence from New Zealand; it actually achieved independence on January 1, 1962. I haven't seen an official explanation as to why it's not celebrated on the actual date (although my guess is that January 1 is already a thing (New Year's Day)), but June 1 is when independence is always celebrated and is Samoa's national holiday.

There are other countries that have Jan. 1 as an independence date (like Haiti and Sudan), but they do use that date as their Independence Day celebrations. There are also other countries that use a different date than the anniversary of independence to celebrate with (like the Irish using the feast day of their patron saint, and Cuba and Libya under Qaddafi (I don't know when their new national day is) the anniversary of the revolution that brought their (then) current form of government), but, as far as I know, the Samoans just picked June 1 out of thin air (and I can't think of any others at the moment that have their national holiday on a day that doesn't seem to have any national significance).
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Re: Your trivia fact of the day

Postby cheezguyty » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:30 am

dhkendall wrote:I haven't seen an official explanation as to why it's not celebrated on the actual date

Moon Handbooks South Pacific says "Though Samoa actually attained independence on January 1, 1962, the celebrations are held in June to avoid total paralysis around Christmas", while Anniversaries and Holidays by Bernard Trawicky claims that Independence Day is "Observed in June to avoid the Jan. rains".
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Re: Your trivia fact of the day

Postby dhkendall » Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:59 pm

cheezguyty wrote:
dhkendall wrote:I haven't seen an official explanation as to why it's not celebrated on the actual date

Moon Handbooks South Pacific says "Though Samoa actually attained independence on January 1, 1962, the celebrations are held in June to avoid total paralysis around Christmas", while Anniversaries and Holidays by Bernard Trawicky claims that Independence Day is "Observed in June to avoid the Jan. rains".


But it still doesn't fall into the same category as places like Ireland (feast day of patron saint), Cuba (Communist revolution), South Africa (first democratic elections), and Australia (arrival of first Europeans), as their specific dates has a special national significance to celebrate their national holiday on; June 1 is still just a randomly chosen date that's not near Christmas/the rainy season.
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Re: Your trivia fact of the day

Postby Volante » Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:20 pm

dhkendall wrote:
cheezguyty wrote:
dhkendall wrote:I haven't seen an official explanation as to why it's not celebrated on the actual date

Moon Handbooks South Pacific says "Though Samoa actually attained independence on January 1, 1962, the celebrations are held in June to avoid total paralysis around Christmas", while Anniversaries and Holidays by Bernard Trawicky claims that Independence Day is "Observed in June to avoid the Jan. rains".


But it still doesn't fall into the same category as places like Ireland (feast day of patron saint), Cuba (Communist revolution), South Africa (first democratic elections), and Australia (arrival of first Europeans), as their specific dates has a special national significance to celebrate their national holiday on; June 1 is still just a randomly chosen date that's not near Christmas/the rainy season.

Just because it's not a good (for personally assigned value of 'good') official reason doesn't mean it's not an official reason.

The official reason ketchup is a vegetable is because it's part tomato. Does that make it a good reason? No. But it's still the official reason.
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Re: Your trivia fact of the day

Postby dhkendall » Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:46 pm

Volante wrote:
dhkendall wrote:But it still doesn't fall into the same category as places like Ireland (feast day of patron saint), Cuba (Communist revolution), South Africa (first democratic elections), and Australia (arrival of first Europeans), as their specific dates has a special national significance to celebrate their national holiday on; June 1 is still just a randomly chosen date that's not near Christmas/the rainy season.

Just because it's not a good (for personally assigned value of 'good') official reason doesn't mean it's not an official reason.

The official reason ketchup is a vegetable is because it's part tomato. Does that make it a good reason? No. But it's still the official reason.


Not saying it's not an official reason. Just saying that it's a unique official reason, in that no other country (that I know of) has a national holiday on a date other than either the anniversary of independence or an otherwise important national event. Am quite happy with the government having this reason (although I haven't seen any "official" sources to say why it's in June, just cheezguyty's book links) because it's unique. And that's what makes trivia.
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Re: Your trivia fact of the day

Postby Magna » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:38 pm

dhkendall wrote:Not saying it's not an official reason. Just saying that it's a unique official reason, in that no other country (that I know of) has a national holiday on a date other than either the anniversary of independence or an otherwise important national event.

In the UK and most commonwealth countries that celebrate it, the Queen's Birthday is officially celebrated in either May or June, although actually she was born in April. The official celebration is scheduled for the summer months because the weather is usually more favorable then.
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Re: Reretaken Down

Postby jeff6286 » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:06 pm

Nothing to see here.
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Re: Reretaken Down

Postby xxaaaxx » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:08 pm

jeff6286 wrote:Nothing to see here.

yup.
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Re: Reretaken Down

Postby jeff6286 » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:11 pm

xxaaaxx wrote:
jeff6286 wrote:REDACTED

So you balance out your good fortune by posting in the wrong thread? :mrgreen:


Oops, I don't even know how I got to this thread, yet alone posted in it. Sorry about that if I accidentally spoiled the FJ clue for anyone.
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Re: Your trivia fact of the day

Postby bpmod » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:37 pm

Magna wrote:
dhkendall wrote:Not saying it's not an official reason. Just saying that it's a unique official reason, in that no other country (that I know of) has a national holiday on a date other than either the anniversary of independence or an otherwise important national event.

In the UK and most commonwealth countries that celebrate it, the Queen's Birthday is officially celebrated in either May or June, although actually she was born in April. The official celebration is scheduled for the summer months because the weather is usually more favorable then.

Yes, but "the Queen" in that context, and whose birthday is so celebrated, was born May 24th and her name was Victoria.

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Re: Your trivia fact of the day

Postby cheezguyty » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:48 pm

dhkendall wrote:I haven't seen an official explanation as to why it's not celebrated on the actual date

I may have found the explanation, from this blog post written by David Huebner, U.S. Ambassador to Samoa (an extension of the Ambassador to New Zealand post). It states that "Independence Day is now celebrated each year on June 1st because the Samoan flag was first raised on 1 June 1948, the date that the territory began the gradual process of transitioning out of Kiwi trusteeship."
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Re: Your trivia fact of the day

Postby dhkendall » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:56 pm

bpmod wrote:
Magna wrote:
dhkendall wrote:Not saying it's not an official reason. Just saying that it's a unique official reason, in that no other country (that I know of) has a national holiday on a date other than either the anniversary of independence or an otherwise important national event.

In the UK and most commonwealth countries that celebrate it, the Queen's Birthday is officially celebrated in either May or June, although actually she was born in April. The official celebration is scheduled for the summer months because the weather is usually more favorable then.

Yes, but "the Queen" in that context, and whose birthday is so celebrated, was born May 24th and her name was Victoria.

Brian


Actually, that seems to only be a Canadian thing - since Victoria was the Queen that gave us Dominionhood (what we celebrate as Canada Day, not really our independence Day, but close enough for the outsider) we celebrate the reigning soverign's official birthday on hers. As Magna pointed out, other Commonwealth realms use other dates, I believe the UK itself uses a date in June. (I beleive even the Falklands, being a British colony, use the June date, although I can only imagine what the weather is like then ... )

So, all Commonwealth countries, even Canada, celebrate QEII's birthday, but on the "wrong" date (which differs by nation).
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