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NoName84 wrote:I said "asocial" for "antisocial." Acceptable?
Depends on the clue.

And I was a big o-fer in that category. My brain just shut down for it.

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I was wtaching the show on tape and didn't stop the fast forarding in time and saw the FJ answer pop up. I stopped and rewound it so I could hear and see Alex introducing and reading the answer, but before I stopped it I saw it was about states not having legal gambling and knew Utah and Hawaii right away. Then I saw the whole thing and wa salready there.

I think part of the reason there is no gambing in Hawaii is that they have so much tourism they don't need it and may not want to drain money from there own citizens. Plus, getting there is a huge trip and expense so not many would go there just to gamble.

If George Bush gets a BMS, then so should Richard Daley. Glad the money Keith got from it did not affect the game's final score.

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Bamaman wrote:If George Bush gets a BMS, then so should Richard Daley. Glad the money Keith got from it did not affect the game's final score.
Eh, it's a bit more nit-picky to require knowing the difference between Richard M. and Richard J. I'm good with just the surname.

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Roadgeek Adam wrote:I just watched the show and I went truantism myself. I also am getting flagged by spell check as that not being a word.

How about this, Dr. J and Keith are split by only $27 with the same amount of wins. (Keith's $147,597 to Dr. J's $147,570)
Strange, I too said "truantism" and didn't quite count it. I wonder where we all could've heard it if it's not a word.
We have that Jass had $149,000+...? Are you considering that she'd have gotten 2000 for a second place finish in her last game? (The archive is not caught up.)

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Roadgeek Adam wrote:I just watched the show and I went truantism myself. I also am getting flagged by spell check as that not being a word.

How about this, Dr. J and Keith are split by only $27 with the same amount of wins. (Keith's $147,597 to Dr. J's $147,570)


Strange, I too said "truantism."
We have that Jass had $149,000+...? (The archive is not caught up.)
I think the previous post meant that she had $147,570 after her seventh win (+$2,000 for her second place finish in game eight, which would be $149,000ish).

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teapot37 wrote:I believe the Transformer in John's pocket was a "Tiny Tins" version of W.A.R.S. (from the "Robots in Disguise" subline).

Utah was really the only thing that made sense in FJ.

Disappointed nobody knew "Walk Away Renee". One of my favorite songs from the 60s.
This FJ was one of the easiest in recent memory, especially with Utah/Mormans in the news. It makes Romney's $10,000 bet even stranger, though.

I never heard the original "Walk Away Renee", but got it from Billy Bragg's version. Until tonight, I didn't even realize his was a cover.

Edit: After listening to both versions, I guess it isn't a cover and Bragg just samples the original. Since I knew the lyrics, I must have heard the original without remembering doing so.

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ComingUpMilhouse wrote:
How about this, Dr. J and Keith are split by only $27 with the same amount of wins. (Keith's $147,597 to Dr. J's $147,570)

We have that Jass had $149,000+...? (The archive is not caught up.)
I think the previous post meant that she had $147,570 after her seventh win (+$2,000 for her second place finish in game eight, which would be $149,000ish).
That's what my receipts say: $147,570 in "winnings" and $2,000 more in consolation prize. How much I'll actually get after taxes? Don't know yet!
Easy FJ for me, and I was surprised about the Daley clue, as a Chicagolander by birth. The answer was really problematic, as the truly correct answer would require the contestant to know middle initial (J, as some have already mentioned) -- unless they'd take "Richie Daley" for the son. Glad they accepted just Daley.

I'm hoping there are some serious sports categories come February...it seems to be one of Keith's few week spots apart from a few popular culture misses. Off to study my stepson's Elements book some more... ;)

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Hawaii and Utah... It's like the Presidential election is infecting Jeopardy too!

(Yeah, yeah, I know, Mitt Romney isn't from Utah. But thanks to his religion, he's closely associated with it.)

Oh, yeah, and pretty quick get here too.

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soxfan99 wrote:I never heard the original "Walk Away Renee", but got it from Billy Bragg's version. Until tonight, I didn't even realize his was a cover.
After Pirates came out, there was a long delay before Rickie Lee Jones' third album, The Magazine. While we were waiting, she offered us Girl At Her Volcano, an EP of covers.
She turned "Walk Away Rene" by The Left Banke into more of a torch song. I've always loved her version.

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I thought of Utah right away, it being at least stereotypically the "most conservative" state, and wound up with it for lack of anything better. The thing that made me nervous is that I've never actually heard anyone (including my DH, who is a former Mormon) mention them being opposed specifically to gambling - other "vices" sure, but I'd just never heard of that. And there's plenty of Mormons in Nevada as well. I associate opposition to gambling with Baptists more than anyone else, so I was trying to decide which Bible Belt state is "most Baptist" and decided that was a dead end, and stuck with Utah. When I presented DH with the clue, he actually didn't get it, even after some thought and hints. When I told him, he felt a little silly. I asked him what's the deal, is it like the opposition to drinking alcohol, etc. and he said well, gambling is certainly not encouraged or condoned but it's also not actually forbidden the way alcohol & caffeine are. So it's not really as clear-cut as the stereotype would have it, but still kinda makes sense.

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I'm sure it was just a buzzer beat, but I still have to give Keith the business for being so poor at sports he couldn't even get error spotted the 3Rs.

There were a couple of good yells tonight with Pillsbury and (Salvation Army) William Booth. Keith coming up with Caine for the Bounty clue was a good one. I'm amazed no one guessed Bligh.

I had to laugh that the only one I got in The "CIA" was the antisocial one. It's not that I don't have friends and won't leave the house, but I am always just as happy at home watching TV. Trying to find the correct responses with the letters in the middle of the word was too difficult for me. The players were pretty good at it.

Nothing in Alex's opening remarks about Keith and 75 wins gave anything away about Utah being the correct response to the FJ clues, but with Alex knowing what was coming with the clue I'm not sure he should even mention Ken Jennings at the top of the program. Who's to say a player couldn't be aided subliminally.

If Utah was not the obvious response I would have had no idea what other state to guess. If the clue had given Utah and asked for Hawaii I probably would have gone for let's say Kansas. Or Nebraska? No way Hawaii. I would have tried a midwest red state.

Elizabeth made her appearance respectable after a slow start. When was her first ring in? Somewhere close to 20th clue?

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Dr. J wrote:I'm hoping there are some serious sports categories come February...it seems to be one of Keith's few week spots apart from a few popular culture misses.
Which is funny since his Howdy is about the Bobcats and their failures. :lol:

Don't hold your breath, though... I doubt we'll see much sports in the TOC. That's when they bring out the big guns, AKA the categories I stand no chance in. But that's why you're in the TOC and I'm not. :P

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So am I the only one who was completely lost on this clue?
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TenPoundHammer wrote:So am I the only one who was completely lost on this clue?
Nope.

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Bamaman wrote:I was wtaching the show on tape and didn't stop the fast forarding in time and saw the FJ answer pop up. I stopped and rewound it so I could hear and see Alex introducing and reading the answer, but before I stopped it I saw it was about states not having legal gambling and knew Utah and Hawaii right away. Then I saw the whole thing and wa salready there.

I think part of the reason there is no gambing in Hawaii is that they have so much tourism they don't need it and may not want to drain money from there own citizens. Plus, getting there is a huge trip and expense so not many would go there just to gamble.

If George Bush gets a BMS, then so should Richard Daley. Glad the money Keith got from it did not affect the game's final score.
As someone who had to shout out George Herbert Walker Bush, I will still give him just Daley.

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Dr. J wrote:That's what my receipts say: $147,570 in "winnings" and $2,000 more in consolation prize. How much I'll actually get after taxes? Don't know yet!
Since you're salaried, I should recommend you consult an accountant when it comes in. I've been self-employed for decades, so all my income is in the form of a question — I mean, the form of income that has no deductions taken out. California takes 7% off the top before we get the checks, if I read my contestant materials right, and then we're responsible for federal tax. Since I have to file estimated quarterly taxes already, the Jeopardy money is just like another job (although no self-employment tax since it's a "prize" not "work") and if they send the check in Q1, it'll go to the revenuers on April 15th (sadly the same day as Q1 estimated payments and previous year filing).

Oh, and my reading suggests if you're in a state with an income tax, then your state may also want you to pay tax, too, although because you've paid in California it's at most the difference (if your state's rate is higher). There is no income tax in Washington state. I have to find out more about this.

I don't want to make assumptions about your income, but since federal tax is a marginal rate, you get taxed at each bracket at whatever the rate is. We still don't know what the government is going to do about Bush-era cuts expiring, which affects that. The potential is that you're taxed 15% (married filing jointly, as I do) $17,900 to $72,500 if cuts don't expire and $0 to $60,500 if they do. The next bracket is 25% with cuts ($72,500 to $146,400) or 28% if cuts expires ($60,500 to $146,400). Then, $146,400 to $223,050 is either 28% with cuts or 31% if they expire. Next is 33% or 36%.

Definitely don't make a Richard Hatch mistake (well, his was just insanity), and consult a tax professional and/or accountant so that when the check comes in you've figured out what you'll approximately be able to keep. Tricky for anyone who isn't used to dealing with this stuff outside of wages.

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MarkBarrett wrote: Nothing in Alex's opening remarks about Keith and 75 wins gave anything away about Utah being the correct response to the FJ clues, but with Alex knowing what was coming with the clue I'm not sure he should even mention Ken Jennings at the top of the program. Who's to say a player couldn't be aided subliminally.
It could have been worse; Alex could have done a Ken Jennings impression when reading the FJ clue. :lol:

(If you haven't seen Wednesday's show yet, that remark may not be as amusing as the user intended.)

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Keith is a quiet one, hardly said a peep the day we taped and during rehearsal Maggie kept prompting him to speak up- I dismissed him as someone to be worried about playing against- wow was I wrong! He mopped the floor with me on 10/25 and everyone since. He is a truly nice and humble guy and I hope he goes far in the TofC. It will be a hard if he is against Dr.J because I loved watching her win as well, but I will have to place my bets on Keith. My third podium would be Joel Pool- also a quiet subtle killer.

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I was just joking about a BMS on Richard Daley. I agree they should have just taken Daley to begin with. I knew they were M and J, but it would have been a guess if I did have to tell you who was which.

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debramc wrote:I thought of Utah right away, it being at least stereotypically the "most conservative" state, and wound up with it for lack of anything better. The thing that made me nervous is that I've never actually heard anyone (including my DH, who is a former Mormon) mention them being opposed specifically to gambling - other "vices" sure, but I'd just never heard of that. And there's plenty of Mormons in Nevada as well. I associate opposition to gambling with Baptists more than anyone else, so I was trying to decide which Bible Belt state is "most Baptist" and decided that was a dead end, and stuck with Utah. When I presented DH with the clue, he actually didn't get it, even after some thought and hints. When I told him, he felt a little silly. I asked him what's the deal, is it like the opposition to drinking alcohol, etc. and he said well, gambling is certainly not encouraged or condoned but it's also not actually forbidden the way alcohol & caffeine are. So it's not really as clear-cut as the stereotype would have it, but still kinda makes sense.
The way I understand it, gambling is a moral opposition, while the prohibition of tea and coffee is from "revealed truth." The Lord told Joseph Smith on February 27, 1833 that "hot drinks" are bad.

I haven't seen anything in the news about Mormons and gambling, and I'm glad I didn't think about the HBO series Big Love, in which the polygamist family opened a gambling casino (on an Indian reservation - in Idaho). It just seemed obvious - Utah's the closest thing to a theocracy we have...

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