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Thursday, November 22, 2012 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Archivists » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:30 am

Game Recap for Show #6484, 2012-11-22

Paul Nelson game 5.

CONTESTANTS
Joshua Bartlett, a graduate student of early American poetry from Albany, New York
Mona Hatfield, a retired school library media specialist from Eufaula, Oklahoma
Paul Nelson, a Senate staff aide originally from Iowa City, Iowa (whose 4-day cash winnings total $48,900)

OPENING REMARKS
Alex: Thank you, Johnny. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome. It has not been an easy run for our champion, Paul. The road has not been very smooth. And yet he has managed to win four times and accumulate just a shade under $50,000. Will today be easier as he faces Mona and Joshua? Let's start finding out. Welcome. Good luck. Here we go. And the categories--let's check them out. Starting off with...

JEOPARDY! ROUND CATEGORIES
DEAD, BUT VERY BUSY (4/5)
STATE THE NATIONAL PARK (5/5)
SONG BIRDS (5/5)
ON THE BOOKSHELF (4/5)
CEREMONIES (4/5, including 1 missed Daily Double)
THE "GOLDEN" HOUR (5/5)

THE RIGHTS & THE WRONGS
Mona: 11 R (including 1 rebound), 2 W
Joshua: 9 R (including 2 rebounds), 1 W (including 1 DD)
Paul: 7 R, 1 W

Clues revealed: 30
Triple Stumpers: 2
Jeopardy! Round Potential Lach Trash: $1,400



JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
Joshua found the Daily Double on the 10th clue. Paul had no money, Mona had $1,600, and Joshua was at $2,800. Joshua wagered $1,500.

CEREMONIES $1000: People brought before the Spanish Inquisition were sentenced at this public ceremony whose name means "act of faith"
(Joshua: What... is Inquisition?)

SCORES AT THE FIRST BREAK
Joshua: $2,300
Mona: $2,200
Paul: $600

CONTESTANT INTERVIEWS



Alex: Joshua Bartlett is from Albany, New York, who once worked as editor of a magazine that I am not at all familiar with.

Joshua: Yes, um right after I graduated from college, I was the editor of Face Painting International magazine.

Alex: And what is that?

Joshua: It's exactly what it sounds like. It's a magazine devoted to the art of face painting.

Alex: Are we talking about tattoos now?

Joshua: No, no. So, back story to it--my uncle is a clown.

Alex: Ah.

Joshua: And so...

Alex: Okay.

Joshua: ...when I had graduated, he had a friend who was starting this magazine and put me in touch with her. And so I got to spend a couple years editing articles about clown makeup.

Alex: Okay. Good. I understand. See, I couldn't have made that, because I'm only good with a roller. And you can't do very much.




Alex: Mona Hatfield is from Eufaula, Oklahoma. She is a proud Choc-o-Chip, which means what?

Mona: Yes, I am. My family has always been proud of our Native American heritage. Mother was a Chippewa from Minnesota, and Daddy was a Choctaw from Oklahoma. So I facetiously refer to myself as a "choc-o-chip", although it is with great fondness that I do so. I live within the boundaries of the Choctaw Nation in Oklahoma, and I even have my grandmother's original Indian allotment that she got after the Trail of Tears.

Alex: And do you speak the native language, as well?

Mona: Very few words--more Chippewa than Choctaw.

Alex: Okay. Good. So I won't test you, then.

Mona: Thank you.

Alex: Mm.




Alex: Paul Nelson is our champion. He's a Senate aide whose first job sounds like he was dealing in cruelty.

[Paul chuckles]

Alex: What were you doing?

Paul: I was just taking the notes. But I worked in a social psychology research lab. I watched scientists take away candy from kids.

Alex: Just to test their reaction?

Paul: Just to see what they would do.

Alex: Okay!

TRIPLE STUMPERS IN THE JEOPARDY! ROUND
ON THE BOOKSHELF $400: With "geometric" precision, this work by Plutarch pairs up bios of noble Greeks & Romans

DEAD, BUT VERY BUSY $1000: This scientist died in 1955 but his good name (& image) raked in $10 million in 2011

SCORES AT THE END OF THE JEOPARDY! ROUND
Mona: $5,200
Joshua: $4,300
Paul: $2,800

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Post by Archivists » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:30 am

DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND CATEGORIES
TOY STORY (5/5, including 1 correct Daily Double)
THE DA VINCI CODE (1/3)
BIG (5/5)
YOU'VE GOT MALI (4/5)
A HANSEATIC LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN (3/4, including 1 correct Daily Double)
HANKS GIVING (4/5)

THE RIGHTS & THE WRONGS
Joshua: 8 R (including 1 DD), 1 W
Paul: 9 R (including 1 rebound and 1 DD), 3 W
Mona: 5 R, 1 W

Clues revealed: 27
Triple Stumpers: 5
Double Jeopardy! Round Potential Lach Trash: $7,200



FIRST DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
Joshua snagged the next Daily Double on the 11th clue. Paul had $3,600, Mona had $3,600, and Joshua was at $7,500. Joshua wagered $2,000.

TOY STORY $1600: Founded in 1948, this company got its name from the sound a slingshot projectile made when hitting a target

SECOND DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
It was Paul who snatched up the last Daily Double of the game on the 26th clue. Paul had $8,000, Mona had $7,200, and Joshua was at $11,900. Paul wagered $1,000.

A HANSEATIC LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN $2000: The decline of the Hanseatic League was in part due to this devastating war that lasted from 1618 to 1648
(Alex: That's right. You can do the math, and you're up to $9,000. Hurry.)
Hans for $1,200.

TRIPLE STUMPERS IN THE DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND
YOU'VE GOT MALI $1600: Nere & Kapioka are local names for these; you see fewer of them in northern Mali, toward the Sahara
(Paul: What are oases?)
...
(Alex: You see fewer [*] close to the Sahara.)

HANKS GIVING $1200: Executive producer Hanks gave us this 2010 miniseries about Marines in WWII, with episodes set in Iwo Jima & Okinawa
(Paul: What is Band of Brothers?)
(Joshua: What is We Were Soldiers?)
...
(Alex: This 2010 miniseries was about the Marines in [*], and that was the title of the series.)

A HANSEATIC LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN $1600: This fish was big business for the league; I enjoy the matjes type, myself

THE DA VINCI CODE $1600: The 1505 mural "The Battle of Anghiari" was painted to honor a military victory of the government of this city
(Paul: What is Milan?)
...
(Alex: Pick another Italian city, and it's probably [*] for Leonardo.)

THE DA VINCI CODE $1200: (Kelly of the Clue Crew shows us a painting displayed on a monitor.) Leonardo was only about 20 when he got to paint the angel on the left in a work attributed to his teacher Verrocchio, depicting this event

SCORES ENTERING FINAL JEOPARDY!
Joshua: $11,900
Paul: $10,200
Mona: $7,200

FINAL JEOPARDY! CATEGORY
NUTRITION

VENUSIAN MONOLOGUES/MARTIAN CHRONICLES
Four-fifths for first place.
Joshua: Wager $8,501 to cover Paul.
Paul: You're faced with a legitimate choice in strategy. You can either choose to cover Mona, hoping that you give the correct response and Joshua doesn't, in which case you'll want to wager $4,201 to cover Mona's doubled score, but no more than $6,800 if you want to top Joshua on a Triple Stumper; or bet up to $2,999 and win if both Joshua and Mona miss Final.
Mona: If you think Paul is going to wager to cover you, try wagering less than $1,200 to beat Joshua and Paul on the Triple Stumper; or, if you think Paul is going to wager small in hopes of a Triple Stumper, wager between $3,001 (venusian, to top a $0 wager by Paul) and $7,200 (martian, which may win in some cases but may also risk dropping you from second to third place if you get Final wrong).

FINAL JEOPARDY! CLUE
The word coined for these substances in 1912 was meant to suggest they were essential to life & contained nitrogen

FINAL SCORES
Mona: $7,200 - $4,700 = $2,500 (What are nitrous oxides?) (3rd place: $1,000)
Paul: $10,200 - $4,200 = $6,000 (What are nutrients?) (5-day champion: $54,900)
Joshua: $11,900 - $8,501 = $3,399 (What are nitrates?) (2nd place: $2,000)
(Alex: Essential to life: vital, and amines for nitrogen compounds. Vitamin--vitamins is the word we're going for.)

Total Potential Lach Trash: $8,600

GAME DYNAMICS
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CORYAT SCORES
Joshua: $13,000, 17 R (including 1 DD), 2 W (including 1 DD)
Paul: $11,200, 16 R (including 1 DD), 4 W
Mona: $7,200, 16 R, 3 W
Combined Coryat: $31,400

BATTING AVERAGES
Joshua: 17/60 = .283
Mona: 16/58 = .276
Paul: 16/59 = .271
Team: 49/63 = .778

MISCELLANEOUS INTERESTING CLUES
CEREMONIES $200: For Victoria, this ceremony was at Westminster Abbey on June 28, 1838, a year after her accession to the throne
(Paul: What was her wedding?)

SONG BIRDS $800: In 1977 Steve Miller was in the top 10 with "Jet Airliner" & this other song about soaring
(Mona: What is Soar Like An Eagle?)

DEAD, BUT VERY BUSY $800: Whistling a happy tune in 2009 (if they could), this duo behind "The King and I" raked in a combined $235 million
(Mona: Who are Lerner and Loewe?)

THE "GOLDEN" HOUR $400: "Wanna dance, or would you rather just suck face?" was a line from this movie
(Alex: Yes. Henry Fonda gave the line.)

HANKS GIVING $2000: Tom Hanks gives his family a good life by being an enforcer for Paul Newman's Chicago mob in this 2002 film
(Mona: What is Perdition?)

THE DA VINCI CODE $400: The Leonardo work seen here is known as "The Madonna of" this flower, a symbol of healing... & proms

A HANSEATIC LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN $1200: The league had no governing body but had assemblies called these; the Holy Roman Empire held one in Worms
[end-of-round signal sounds]

CORRECT RESPONSES
Auto-da-fé
Parallel Lives
Albert Einstein
Wham-O
the Thirty Years' War
trees
The Pacific
herring
Florence
the baptism of Christ
vitamins
coronation
"Fly Like An Eagle"
Rodgers and Hammerstein
On Golden Pond
Road to Perdition
carnation
a diet

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Re: Thursday, November 22, 2012 Game Recap & Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by econgator » Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:28 pm

Don't know if I would have had time to write down the response, but it came to me at about 28 seconds in. I'm counting it anyway. :)

Congrats Paul!

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:37 pm

"Blah blah blah essential" -> Vital -> Vitamin. Instaget before Alex was done.

Ran Birds and Big, but Wham-O kept me at 4/5 in Toys, and Einstein likewise in Dead. Tom Hanks was a big 0-fer. NHO Philadelphia, the movie.
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Post by legendneverdies » Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:56 pm

COuld have called the category Word Origins. Paul's lower than optimal second DD wager probably helped give him his fifth win.

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Post by Frank Hardy » Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:59 pm

With five wins & $54,900, Paul moves into seventh place in the 2011-13 ToC standings.

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Post by Paucle » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:39 pm

Nitrates is all I had for Fj, though I didn't like it. Now I see why.
Ran songbirds in J!, only miss was Lerner and Loewe. 12,400 for that round.
Ran Hanks in DJ, but called spirograph instead of etch-a-sketch for my miss in that round. 20,000 for 32,400 total.

Couldn't pull the trigger on about 4 more correct answers, including 2k Timbuktu, but also clammed at least as many wrong ones.

WTG on the 5er, Paul! Tempted to say you "backed in" to the last two wins, but you couldn't back in in the first place without establishing position!

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Post by bpmod » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:39 pm

Did anybody get pre-empted tonight? If so, I'll post the episode. If nobody requests it, I won't.

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...but the senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity.

If I had 50 cents for every math question I got right, I'd have $6.30 by now.

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Post by opusthepenguin » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:41 pm

Frank Hardy wrote:With five wins & $54,900, Paul moves into seventh place in the 2011-13 ToC standings.
What does "seventh place" mean? Does it mean that if no one beats his score between now and [date], he's in?

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Post by MDCSWildcats86 » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:51 pm

bpmod wrote:Did anybody get pre-empted tonight? If so, I'll post the episode. If nobody requests it, I won't.

Brian

Oklahoma City, due to alternate programming on KFOR-TV (Channel 4, NBC).

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Post by Austin Powers » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:53 pm

I like this new, cocky TPH.

Vital + amines was pretty straight forward.

Paul... well, he's won 5 games, I'll give him that.

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Post by BADuBois » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:55 pm

A fun game to watch since the female contestant was named Mona, which is my wife's name. So each time Alex said "Mona," my head whipped up like a good husband.

Did pretty good in most categories, and swept the Hanks category (all of the categories in Double Jeopardy were mostly Ron Howard-related, weren't they?) Stunned that no one got The Pacific right for the Marines mini-series question.

And came right up to FJ, and crashed and burned. Best I could come up with was amino acids.

Congrats to Paul. Talk about grinding out a win... I'd be sweating buckets if I had been in your shoes.
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Post by bpmod » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:55 pm

MDCSWildcats86 wrote:
bpmod wrote:Did anybody get pre-empted tonight? If so, I'll post the episode. If nobody requests it, I won't.

Brian

Oklahoma City, due to alternate programming on KFOR-TV (Channel 4, NBC).
Check my "For some unknown reason" thread. I'll bump it shortly. It'll take about an hour to transcode and upload.

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...but the senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity.

If I had 50 cents for every math question I got right, I'd have $6.30 by now.

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Post by bpmod » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:57 pm

BADuBois wrote:Congrats to Paul. Talk about grinding out a win... I'd be sweating buckets if I had been in your shoes.
Yes, because he should not have been able to win on a triple get or a triple stumper. But a win's a win, and it's better than I've done (yet).

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...but the senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity.

If I had 50 cents for every math question I got right, I'd have $6.30 by now.

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Post by Linear Gnome » Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:43 pm

I briefly considered protein before settling on vitamins--once it occurred to me, I knew it had to be right.

I live in the sticks--my cable system gets J! on the NBC affiliate of one nearby city at 4:30 and the ABC affiliate of another at 5:00. The 4:30 was preempted by the Macy's parade, but I got the 5:00 showing. Tomorrow I'll lose the 5:00 to W. Va. at Iowa State but will have the 4:30.

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Post by dhkendall » Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:53 pm

BADuBois wrote:A fun game to watch since the female contestant was named Mona, which is my wife's name. So each time Alex said "Mona," my head whipped up like a good husband.
And said "Alex, are you hitting on my wife?" ;)
Linear Gnome wrote:I live in the sticks--my cable system gets J! on the NBC affiliate of one nearby city at 4:30 and the ABC affiliate of another at 5:00. The 4:30 was preempted by the Macy's parade, but I got the 5:00 showing. Tomorrow I'll lose the 5:00 to W. Va. at Iowa State but will have the 4:30.
The parade lasted that long? My 11:30 morning repeat was pre-empted by the parade, and I wasn't too surprised (but disappointed). But my 4:30 (Central) showing of J! aired without a hitch.
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Post by Linear Gnome » Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:09 pm

dhkendall wrote:
Linear Gnome wrote:I live in the sticks--my cable system gets J! on the NBC affiliate of one nearby city at 4:30 and the ABC affiliate of another at 5:00. The 4:30 was preempted by the Macy's parade, but I got the 5:00 showing. Tomorrow I'll lose the 5:00 to W. Va. at Iowa State but will have the 4:30.
The parade lasted that long? My 11:30 morning repeat was pre-empted by the parade, and I wasn't too surprised (but disappointed). But my 4:30 (Central) showing of J! aired without a hitch.
The zap2it listings seemed to think the parade would be over by then, but the "channel channel" seemed to know that it would run into J! (which it definitely did). Unless it had something to do with the 2-hour interruption for some sort of dog show, I got nuthin'.

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Post by legendneverdies » Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:10 pm

opusthepenguin wrote:
Frank Hardy wrote:With five wins & $54,900, Paul moves into seventh place in the 2011-13 ToC standings.
What does "seventh place" mean? Does it mean that if no one beats his score between now and [date], he's in?
Out of the 12 non tournament winner spots(2 teachers, 1 collegge champ) eligible for the mid-Feb TofC, he's in seventh place based on number of games won and money won. Six people would have to win more than five games, or five games and more money than Paul has won, for him not to be in the TofC.

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Post by MarkBarrett » Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:56 pm

Parallel Lives or Einstein? Which was the bigger surprise to have no one get it?

I can't argue with the clue values for the first segment. My scoresheet was 12/15 with the three I didn't know in the $1000 row. It would have been 4's across the board for the round except for knowing all of the dead people still getting paid.

Paul finds ways to survive. His lowball wager on the gimme 30 Days War DD worked out well to keep in him second place entering FJ. Three misses and he is a 5x champ. $54,900 is in the league with the old values of

Donald Burgo $26,180
J.J. Todor $29,021

For double values the closest are:
Mark Brown $68,094
Bob Mesko $68,599
Lisa Klink $70,150
Matt Kohlstedt $77,803

The FJ clue had me groaning that it was some kind of word origin type. The best I could do was nutrients trying to find something "N" like nitrogen. I wish I had thought again about my precall of some type of B vitamin. Perhaps if the clue had said my uncle born in England says the word funny it would have helped me.

Paul would seem to be an underdog for the TOC, but it's not impossible he could draw a teacher and David Gard. To me that would be in the range of his competition so far where he can be outplayed, but stay in the mix.

With Brendan mentioning his wife Mona I was curious about hits in the archive for the name. Because of the Da Vinci work and starting monarchs there are many appearances. Down to player names there is only one Mona. Curious how she did I looked up her game. The champ? J.J. Todor mentioned once again in this post.

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Post by dhkendall » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:04 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:Parallel Lives or Einstein? Which was the bigger surprise to have no one get it?
I was kicking myself over the first one, I clearly recognized it from the recent TD, but I couldn't pull out the name at all. :(
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