Tuesday, November 19, 2013 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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billy pilgrim wrote:
stevo4212 wrote:Archery? You mean the georgeous swimming team, singing Call Me Maybe wasn't enough?

Speaking of Hunger Games, in the second movie, you're going to meet a character named Finnick. You know which other character was very similar to Finnick, quite apparently the inspiration for the character?
Does he dream of large women?
I don't recall that detail. Maybe.

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It's actually my theory. Hoping to start a discussion.

I think Finnick is based on
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stevo4212 wrote:
billy pilgrim wrote:
stevo4212 wrote:Archery? You mean the georgeous swimming team, singing Call Me Maybe wasn't enough?

Speaking of Hunger Games, in the second movie, you're going to meet a character named Finnick. You know which other character was very similar to Finnick, quite apparently the inspiration for the character?
Does he dream of large women?
I don't recall that detail. Maybe.
If he was ever unemployed, in Greenland, that would be a certainty.
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Archery was an instaget for me, since this is my sport and I watched it faithfully. If you have been at one of the two auditions I was at, you've heard my archery stories.

Part of the reason it was watched so much was that it has been featured quite a lot in recent films (Hunger Games, Brave, LOTR, etc.), it was one of the earliest sports scheduled in the competition, and the men's team took silver, the US's first medal of the games.

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I wonder if Grace Hood is a J! fan?

http://www.npr.org/2013/11/27/247379498 ... nger-games
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{this message is in The Really Real Error Thread}
When umpteen FB (/to a lesser extent, board) posters have pointed out what they have considered to be a clue error it usually amounts to a failure on their part to grasp the clue properly. There are probably *ones* of truly erroneous clues over the years. It appears a recent FB poster has uncovered a (lesser) clue mistake. It does not affect the results of the question but it is wrong in an auxiliary way. The 11/19/13 $400 clue for Independence National Historical Park: (Kelly of the Clue Crew points to the post office at Independence National Historical Park in Philadelphia, PA.)"The post office at 316 Market St. is the only one in the U.S. that doesn't fly the American flag, because it hadn't been created yet when this man was Postmaster-General"

That is apparently not the case, as Sandi Fairfield has offered:
(Re: Ft. Leavenworth Post Office, 311 Kearny Ave, Fort Leavenworth, KS)

"I have watched Jeopardy for several decades and never found an error until tonight. It is not true that there is only one post office in the US without a flag flying outside. Ft Leavenworth, KS does not have a flag. I noticed right away and asked the clerk inside. They explained that an Army post only flies 1 flag outdoors and that is The Main Post Parade Field. That is why the post office does not fly the American flag."

It looks like this website vectors (what I assume is) the National Park's error:

http://www.ushistory.org/franklin/info/court.htm

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El Jefe wrote:{this message is in The Really Real Error Thread}
When umpteen FB (/to a lesser extent, board) posters have pointed out what they have considered to be a clue error it usually amounts to a failure on their part to grasp the clue properly. There are probably *ones* of truly erroneous clues over the years. It appears a recent FB poster has uncovered a (lesser) clue mistake. It does not affect the results of the question but it is wrong in an auxiliary way. The 11/19/13 $400 clue for Independence National Historical Park: (Kelly of the Clue Crew points to the post office at Independence National Historical Park in Philadelphia, PA.)"The post office at 316 Market St. is the only one in the U.S. that doesn't fly the American flag, because it hadn't been created yet when this man was Postmaster-General"

That is apparently not the case, as Sandi Fairfield has offered:
(Re: Ft. Leavenworth Post Office, 311 Kearny Ave, Fort Leavenworth, KS)

"I have watched Jeopardy for several decades and never found an error until tonight. It is not true that there is only one post office in the US without a flag flying outside. Ft Leavenworth, KS does not have a flag. I noticed right away and asked the clerk inside. They explained that an Army post only flies 1 flag outdoors and that is The Main Post Parade Field. That is why the post office does not fly the American flag."

It looks like this website vectors (what I assume is) the National Park's error:

http://www.ushistory.org/franklin/info/court.htm

Jeffrey
It's arguable that if your post office is on an army base where one flag flies, then the flag that flies above the army base is the flag that flies above your post office...

But this clue bugs me for a different reason, or the factlet does. I don't see the point in foregoing the flag because it wasn't there when the office opened. I bet they charge .46 for a stamp to mail a letter, though that was unknown to Ben too...

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davey wrote:
El Jefe wrote:{this message is in The Really Real Error Thread}
When umpteen FB (/to a lesser extent, board) posters have pointed out what they have considered to be a clue error it usually amounts to a failure on their part to grasp the clue properly. There are probably *ones* of truly erroneous clues over the years. It appears a recent FB poster has uncovered a (lesser) clue mistake. It does not affect the results of the question but it is wrong in an auxiliary way. The 11/19/13 $400 clue for Independence National Historical Park: (Kelly of the Clue Crew points to the post office at Independence National Historical Park in Philadelphia, PA.)"The post office at 316 Market St. is the only one in the U.S. that doesn't fly the American flag, because it hadn't been created yet when this man was Postmaster-General"

That is apparently not the case, as Sandi Fairfield has offered:
(Re: Ft. Leavenworth Post Office, 311 Kearny Ave, Fort Leavenworth, KS)

"I have watched Jeopardy for several decades and never found an error until tonight. It is not true that there is only one post office in the US without a flag flying outside. Ft Leavenworth, KS does not have a flag. I noticed right away and asked the clerk inside. They explained that an Army post only flies 1 flag outdoors and that is The Main Post Parade Field. That is why the post office does not fly the American flag."

It looks like this website vectors (what I assume is) the National Park's error:

http://www.ushistory.org/franklin/info/court.htm

Jeffrey
It's arguable that if your post office is on an army base where one flag flies, then the flag that flies above the army base is the flag that flies above your post office...

But this clue bugs me for a different reason, or the factlet does. I don't see the point in foregoing the flag because it wasn't there when the office opened. I bet they charge .46 for a stamp to mail a letter, though that was unknown to Ben too...
Historic sites are weird like that. There's probably various places that fly the flag "as it was when (X) state was admitted" because HISTORY!!

I concur with the army base idea though. The post office is part of the base; it inherits the base's flag.

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Volante wrote: It's arguable that if your post office is on an army base where one flag flies, then the flag that flies above the army base is the flag that flies above your post office...
[...]
I concur with the army base idea though. The post office is part of the base; it inherits the base's flag.
So you want to expand the definition of 'post office' to include any other parcels of land abutting it? Sounds fairly untenable. But even if that were the case the Ft. Leavenworth post office would be in the same boat. From

http://www.nps.gov/inde/faqs.htm

7. Does the park allow flags to be flown over Independence Hall, or does the park give away flags that fly over the hall? No. Independence National Historical Park flys [sic] the U.S. flag 24 hours a day. We do not give these flags away.

I believe that's check and mate. INHP flies a flag, as does Ft. Leavenworth (probably). Neither post office directly flies a US flag.

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Interesting that mention whether they sell (or give away) flags that have flown or not. The U.S. Capitol does so, and I've found that they make great gifts.

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El Jefe wrote:
Volante wrote: It's arguable that if your post office is on an army base where one flag flies, then the flag that flies above the army base is the flag that flies above your post office...
[...]
I concur with the army base idea though. The post office is part of the base; it inherits the base's flag.
So you want to expand the definition of 'post office' to include any other parcels of land abutting it? Sounds fairly untenable. But even if that were the case the Ft. Leavenworth post office would be in the same boat. From

http://www.nps.gov/inde/faqs.htm

7. Does the park allow flags to be flown over Independence Hall, or does the park give away flags that fly over the hall? No. Independence National Historical Park flys [sic] the U.S. flag 24 hours a day. We do not give these flags away.

I believe that's check and mate. INHP flies a flag, as does Ft. Leavenworth (probably). Neither post office directly flies a US flag.

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I wasn't playing chess, nor even expanding a definition. Just trying to understand where the statement came from, without assuming it was in error.

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As a way to get to Ben Franklin, it's a fine clue. And the clue is mostly accurate; only the "only" part is wrong. Quibbling over such details may be interesting, but it's about as useful as telling people what they should have wagered after winning a game.

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Vanya wrote:As a way to get to Ben Franklin, it's a fine clue. And the clue is mostly accurate; only the "only" part is wrong. Quibbling over such details may be interesting, but it's about as useful as telling people what they should have wagered after winning a game.
I'm not donning sackcloth and ashes over any of the info contained, but just because it appears in a clue doesn't make it correct. Speaking of Ben Franklin clues, would you have been okay with them vectoring the 'flying a kite and key in a storm' story as fact when in fact it didn't happen? When possible (especially with the Clue Crew segments) J! shouldn't vector legend.

Now about that "St. Louis has the second largest Mardi Gras festival in the country" bit...

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El Jefe wrote:
Vanya wrote:As a way to get to Ben Franklin, it's a fine clue. And the clue is mostly accurate; only the "only" part is wrong. Quibbling over such details may be interesting, but it's about as useful as telling people what they should have wagered after winning a game.
I'm not donning sackcloth and ashes over any of the info contained, but just because it appears in a clue doesn't make it correct. Speaking of Ben Franklin clues, would you have been okay with them vectoring the 'flying a kite and key in a storm' story as fact when in fact it didn't happen? When possible (especially with the Clue Crew segments) J! shouldn't vector legend.

Now about that "St. Louis has the second largest Mardi Gras festival in the country" bit...

Jeffrey
I don't know what you mean by "vectoring," but I'm fine with it. Franklin did experiment with electricity, and he invented the lightning rod. So the legend is not that outlandish.

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Vanya wrote:
El Jefe wrote:
Vanya wrote:As a way to get to Ben Franklin, it's a fine clue. And the clue is mostly accurate; only the "only" part is wrong. Quibbling over such details may be interesting, but it's about as useful as telling people what they should have wagered after winning a game.
I'm not donning sackcloth and ashes over any of the info contained, but just because it appears in a clue doesn't make it correct. Speaking of Ben Franklin clues, would you have been okay with them vectoring the 'flying a kite and key in a storm' story as fact when in fact it didn't happen? When possible (especially with the Clue Crew segments) J! shouldn't vector legend.

Now about that "St. Louis has the second largest Mardi Gras festival in the country" bit...

Jeffrey
I don't know what you mean by "vectoring," but I'm fine with it. Franklin did experiment with electricity, and he invented the lightning rod. So the legend is not that outlandish.
I'm guessing he's using the "change the direction of" definition of vector.

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econgator wrote:
Vanya wrote:
I don't know what you mean by "vectoring," but I'm fine with it. Franklin did experiment with electricity, and he invented the lightning rod. So the legend is not that outlandish.
I'm guessing he's using the "change the direction of" definition of vector.
In the urban folklore subculture (which has now become mainstream w/ snopes.com) it means uncritically passing on a story as fact.

If you were to ever visit the Boston Museum of Science's Lightning show, you would see firsthand how laughable the proposition is (that BF conducted the experiment instead of just writing a letter about it, which is fact).

Often vectors of urban folklore relate that it happened to a Friend Of A Friend, or FOAF, when in fact it never happened, like razor blades in Halloween apples.

So Jeopardy! may not independently verify claims made by national parks and other government institutions. No biggie- I will contact the park and try to get the claim changed or withdrawn.

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Vanya wrote:As a way to get to Ben Franklin, it's a fine clue. And the clue is mostly accurate; only the "only" part is wrong. Quibbling over such details may be interesting, but it's about as useful as telling people what they should have wagered after winning a game.
Exactly! This is IMPORTANT, people! :lol:

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El Jefe wrote:
econgator wrote:
Vanya wrote:
I don't know what you mean by "vectoring," but I'm fine with it. Franklin did experiment with electricity, and he invented the lightning rod. So the legend is not that outlandish.
I'm guessing he's using the "change the direction of" definition of vector.
In the urban folklore subculture (which has now become mainstream w/ snopes.com) it means uncritically passing on a story as fact.
It's funny how a specialized usage comes to seem so normal that we forget how it strikes other people. Your use of "vectoring" sounded so natural to my mental ears. I never thought what an odd word choice it might seem to someone else.

It's also funny how I tend to assume that people I meet online have knowledge of the same online culture(s) that I do, more or less. I would never use "vectoring" this way in real life without explaining. On the JBoard, it wouldn't occur to me to explain.

Regarding Econgator's guess, I'd say think of it more as the "communicable illness" definition of vector. It's how misinformation gets caught and passed around when people don't practice safe thinking.

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opusthepenguin wrote:Regarding Econgator's guess, I'd say think of it more as the "communicable illness" definition of vector. It's how misinformation gets caught and passed around when people don't practice safe thinking.
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trainman wrote:
opusthepenguin wrote:Regarding Econgator's guess, I'd say think of it more as the "communicable illness" definition of vector. It's how misinformation gets caught and passed around when people don't practice safe thinking.
Protect yourself -- always wear a thinking cap.
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