some peeves
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some peeves
When A.T. remarks to the contestants, "You are all too young to remember........" So if one was not alive during the civil war for example. one is not supposed to know the answer?
When posters post their lach trash, I want to comment, "Well isn't that nice"
When posters post their lach trash, I want to comment, "Well isn't that nice"
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Re: some peeves
I agree that Alex Trebek is too quick to say things like "You are all too young to remember..."
Nevertheless, I think there is sometimes a grain of truth in that statement, even if Alex often introduces it awkwardly.
When it comes to something like the Civil War or Queen Victoria or Thomas Edison, we're all in a similar situation as each other. Whether you're 25 or 75, those are all just "history", and being older or younger isn't necessarily an advantage or a disadvantage in a really obvious way.
However, there are *some* things where that type of remark by Alex isn't as out of place. Certain things from popular culture, or things that were in the news but weren't quite front page news. There are topics like Freddie Prinze, or Hands Across America, or Jaws: The Revenge, or Supertramp, that aren't necessarily super important historically, and probably won't be remembered in 100 or 150 years, but they are nevertheless fair game for a trivia competition, and one of the most common ways of knowing them is simply remembering them, which only works if you were old enough in the 70s or 80s to be paying attention and have the thing stick in your head. Today's teenagers didn't learn about Freddie Prinze or Supertramp in history class, but if you're 45 years old, you just remember those things because of being alive at the right time.
Nevertheless, I think there is sometimes a grain of truth in that statement, even if Alex often introduces it awkwardly.
When it comes to something like the Civil War or Queen Victoria or Thomas Edison, we're all in a similar situation as each other. Whether you're 25 or 75, those are all just "history", and being older or younger isn't necessarily an advantage or a disadvantage in a really obvious way.
However, there are *some* things where that type of remark by Alex isn't as out of place. Certain things from popular culture, or things that were in the news but weren't quite front page news. There are topics like Freddie Prinze, or Hands Across America, or Jaws: The Revenge, or Supertramp, that aren't necessarily super important historically, and probably won't be remembered in 100 or 150 years, but they are nevertheless fair game for a trivia competition, and one of the most common ways of knowing them is simply remembering them, which only works if you were old enough in the 70s or 80s to be paying attention and have the thing stick in your head. Today's teenagers didn't learn about Freddie Prinze or Supertramp in history class, but if you're 45 years old, you just remember those things because of being alive at the right time.
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Re: some peeves
Lach Trash, like the Coryat, is a good way of judging how you'd do on the show. While I'm not one to advertise much my Coryat (which I do, nonetheless keep track of) or Lach Trashes (which I don't track), I definitely understand those who do.flemmingfan wrote: When posters post their lach trash, I want to comment, "Well isn't that nice"
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Re: some peeves
Ditto to both skullturf and dhk.
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Re: some peeves
Agree about the "too young to remember". Lach trash: eh, I like bragging.flemmingfan wrote:When A.T. remarks to the contestants, "You are all too young to remember........" So if one was not alive during the civil war for example. one is not supposed to know the answer?
When posters post their lach trash, I want to comment, "Well isn't that nice"
Sometimes, I don't like it when guests reading the clue take a longer amount of time, which might prevent the full 30 from being revealed.
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My future pet peeve is when the post-Alex host says "I guess it was a bit after your time".
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That happens to me a lot because almost everything pop-culture-wise from the early 90's forward IS "after my time".Lefty wrote:My future pet peeve is when the post-Alex host says "I guess it was a bit after your time".
Here's a little quiz question. Pop culture from the last 10-20 years is lost on me for the most part because:
A) I don't listen to rock n' roll or recent country or pop music if I can help it.
B) I hardly ever watch TV anymore except for live sports and Jeopardy!.
C) I've never had or watched HBO at all.
D) All of the above and more.
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Re: some peeves
My pet peeve is always going to be spelling judgements in Final Jeopardy. Just require correct spelling already.
There was the infamous "Emanciptation Proclamation" penalized, while this year we had "Led Zepplin" go through correctly.
There was the infamous "Emanciptation Proclamation" penalized, while this year we had "Led Zepplin" go through correctly.
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Re: some peeves
Has Alex ever said this when the clue was about the Civil War or anything from the 19th Century or earlier? I've only heard him say it for things that happened roughly 20 to 60 years ago. There are certain things (like pop culture) that a person may remember better if the person actually experienced them (as opposed to studying them without having experienced them).flemmingfan wrote:When A.T. remarks to the contestants, "You are all too young to remember........" So if one was not alive during the civil war for example. one is not supposed to know the answer?
I enjoy reading the Lach Trash reports from the posters who give them, because I can see how well I did in getting Lach Trash when compared to others, and also how hard the triple stumpers actually are. If a triple stumper is not reported as Lach Trash (or by very few), then that's a pretty good indicator of a really tough clue.flemmingfan wrote:When posters post their lach trash, I want to comment, "Well isn't that nice"
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Re: some peeves
Are you being ironic or British? Judgments in the US, not sure about Canadauctriton00 wrote:My pet peeve is always going to be spelling judgements in Final Jeopardy. Just require correct spelling already.
There was the infamous "Emanciptation Proclamation" penalized, while this year we had "Led Zepplin" go through correctly.
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Re: some peeves
The TV audience cannot see the clue and category at the same time because the clue fills the whole screen with nothing else. I realize this would not be a problem if I could pay attention better, but the fact is I don't and I sometimes need a reminder. I guess if you're practicing to be a contestant the additional on-screen help might feel like a cheat, but we're not all contestants.
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I agree. The problems all stem from drawing the line at how much incorrectness is acceptable. Just require correct spelling andll the problems go away.uctriton00 wrote:My pet peeve is always going to be spelling judgements in Final Jeopardy. Just require correct spelling already.
There was the infamous "Emanciptation Proclamation" penalized, while this year we had "Led Zepplin" go through correctly.
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Re: some peeves
Or just understand how the FJ spelling rule works: if it can be pronounced correctly the way it's spelled, it's correct.billy pilgrim wrote:I agree. The problems all stem from drawing the line at how much incorrectness is acceptable. Just require correct spelling andll the problems go away.uctriton00 wrote:My pet peeve is always going to be spelling judgements in Final Jeopardy. Just require correct spelling already.
There was the infamous "Emanciptation Proclamation" penalized, while this year we had "Led Zepplin" go through correctly.
There is no 'pt' sound in 'emancipation'. 'zep-lin' is an accepted pronunciation for 'zeppelin'
Admittedly, I don't expect to see someone getting away using 'ghoti' for 'fish', but it really is quite simple.
Don't look at the letters. Sound it out.
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Re: some peeves
*cough*Volante wrote:
Admittedly, I don't expect to see someone getting away using 'ghoti' for 'fish', but it really is quite simple.
Don't look at the letters. Sound it out.
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Re: some peeves
<Wolfcastle>That's the joke.</Wolfcastle>Woof wrote:*cough*Volante wrote:
Admittedly, I don't expect to see someone getting away using 'ghoti' for 'fish', but it really is quite simple.
Don't look at the letters. Sound it out.
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Re: some peeves
Yes, you have a point but if we "are too young to remember", then why ask us?skullturf wrote:I agree that Alex Trebek is too quick to say things like "You are all too young to remember..."
Nevertheless, I think there is sometimes a grain of truth in that statement, even if Alex often introduces it awkwardly.
When it comes to something like the Civil War or Queen Victoria or Thomas Edison, we're all in a similar situation as each other. Whether you're 25 or 75, those are all just "history", and being older or younger isn't necessarily an advantage or a disadvantage in a really obvious way.
However, there are *some* things where that type of remark by Alex isn't as out of place. Certain things from popular culture, or things that were in the news but weren't quite front page news. There are topics like Freddie Prinze, or Hands Across America, or Jaws: The Revenge, or Supertramp, that aren't necessarily super important historically, and probably won't be remembered in 100 or 150 years, but they are nevertheless fair game for a trivia competition, and one of the most common ways of knowing them is simply remembering them, which only works if you were old enough in the 70s or 80s to be paying attention and have the thing stick in your head. Today's teenagers didn't learn about Freddie Prinze or Supertramp in history class, but if you're 45 years old, you just remember those things because of being alive at the right time.
While we are at it, I get a kick out of all this studying/cramming and then a category comes up "in a boat" or something like that which turns out to be common knowledge- you either know it or you don't. As you point out this is trivia along with quick thinking which is what makes the show entertaining to me.
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Re: some peeves
Because there are other ways of coming by that knowledge. Think of it as a shorter way of saying, "You are all too young to have the advantage of being able to remember the event/personality/whatever when it was common knowledge."flemmingfan wrote:Yes, you have a point but if we "are too young to remember", then why ask us?
Recently, there was a clue with a picture of Menachem Begin and Anwar Sadat. The clue went, "Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah identify these two men blah blah blah." If you're my age (48) or older and grew up in the US in an education-oriented environment, you know who those men are. You just know. If you're younger, you should still know. They're fair game for Jeopardy! But they are less likely to be part of the information you have effortlessly absorbed.
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Re: some peeves
So, the next time Alex says "You're too foreign to remember", I'll know he's looking at me.opusthepenguin wrote:Because there are other ways of coming by that knowledge. Think of it as a shorter way of saying, "You are all too young to have the advantage of being able to remember the event/personality/whatever when it was common knowledge."flemmingfan wrote:Yes, you have a point but if we "are too young to remember", then why ask us?
Recently, there was a clue with a picture of Menachem Begin and Anwar Sadat. The clue went, "Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah identify these two men blah blah blah." If you're my age (48) or older and grew up in the US in an education-oriented environment, you know who those men are. You just know. If you're younger, you should still know. They're fair game for Jeopardy! But they are less likely to be part of the information you have effortlessly absorbed.
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The catch there, though, is back in the day, they were prominently on the news. You could see them.opusthepenguin wrote:Because there are other ways of coming by that knowledge. Think of it as a shorter way of saying, "You are all too young to have the advantage of being able to remember the event/personality/whatever when it was common knowledge."flemmingfan wrote:Yes, you have a point but if we "are too young to remember", then why ask us?
Recently, there was a clue with a picture of Menachem Begin and Anwar Sadat. The clue went, "Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah identify these two men blah blah blah." If you're my age (48) or older and grew up in the US in an education-oriented environment, you know who those men are. You just know. If you're younger, you should still know. They're fair game for Jeopardy! But they are less likely to be part of the information you have effortlessly absorbed.
I know who those two are, but only from text. Harder to ID from photo alone.
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Re: some peeves
I also get annoyed at players whomxc_takeshi wrote:Agree about the "too young to remember". Lach trash: eh, I like bragging.flemmingfan wrote:When A.T. remarks to the contestants, "You are all too young to remember........" So if one was not alive during the civil war for example. one is not supposed to know the answer?
When posters post their lach trash, I want to comment, "Well isn't that nice"
Sometimes, I don't like it when guests reading the clue take a longer amount of time, which might prevent the full 30 from being revealed.
a) take too long to peruse the board before choosing a clue
b) insist on reading the entire category title instead of shortening it to one or two words