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Monday, July 21, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Archivists » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:30 am

Game Recap for Show #6886, 2014-07-21

2014 Teen Tournament quarterfinal game 1.

CONTESTANTS
Josiah Takang, a junior from Douglasville, Georgia
Cooper Lair, a sophomore from Little Rock, Arkansas
Kat Deabill, a junior from New Boston, New Hampshire

OPENING REMARKS
Alex: Thank you, Johnny Gilbert. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. And welcome to our annual Teen Tournament--my favorite two weeks of the year, even though I'm an analog adult having to deal with a group of digital-era teenagers. Kat, Cooper, Josiah, welcome, and good luck. Here we go. Categories in the first round today are as follows. You identify the country for us. You'll deal with...

JEOPARDY! ROUND CATEGORIES
CURRENT SENATORS' STATES (4/5)
IT'S SLANG-TASTIC (5/5)
IN THE AFRICAN COUNTRY (5/5)
ATHLETES (5/5)
WOMEN & CHILDREN (4/5, including 1 correct Daily Double)
"FIRST" (5/5)

THE RIGHTS & THE WRONGS
Cooper: 12 R (including 1 rebound), 1 W
Kat: 9 R (including 1 DD), 0 W
Josiah: 7 R, 1 W

Clues revealed: 30
Triple Stumpers: 2
Jeopardy! Round Potential Lach Trash: $1,800



SCORES AT THE FIRST BREAK
Cooper: $4,400
Josiah: $3,000
Kat: $800

CONTESTANT INTERVIEWS



Alex: One of Josiah Takang's ambitions is to make enough money to visit his parents' homeland, which is...

Josiah: It's Cameroon in West Africa. It borders Nigeria. And I really want to visit because I'd like to get--I'd, first of all, like to meet family that I haven't met before, but, also, to really get a firsthand experience of the country, rather than getting it from books and the Internet, et cetera.

Alex: Well, if you visit that country, uh, if you can, visit as many other countries in Africa as you possibly can, because it's a fabulous continent.




Alex: Cooper Lair is a sophomore from Little Rock, Arkansas, attempting to read all 101 books on which list?

Cooper: The College Board List of Classics--classic novels.

Alex: How many have you read so far?

Cooper: Um, I'm in the mid 40s, so about where I want to be.

Alex: Good for you. Have you found a favorite so far?

Cooper: Um, probably Don Quixote. Very well-written.

Alex: Uh-huh. Not only well-written, but a lot of fun. He's a great character.

Cooper: Yes, sir.




Alex: Now we come to Kat Deabill. At the beginning of the program, I mentioned I'm an analog adult dealing in a digital world. Now, for Halloween, you made a costume that kind of touches on what I was dealing with.

Kat: [Chuckles] Yes. I made an iPod classic with the little click wheel.

Alex: This was a costume for yourself?

Kat: It was a costume I made, and it had a little window for my face. And I went trick-or-treating around my grandparents' house. Uh, there are a lot of older people who live around there. And they tried to guess what I was, and I got everything from a jukebox, to a TV remote, to even a TV. And I had to explain to them, "No, this is an iPod."

Alex: Good thing you didn't come to my house because I would have reacted the same way.

JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
Kat found the Daily Double on the 20th clue. Kat had $1,000, Cooper had $6,800, and Josiah was at $2,200. Kat made it a True Daily Double, wagering $1,000.

WOMEN & CHILDREN $600: In 1769, this 13-year-old composer was appointed an honorary Konzermeister at the Salzburg Court

TRIPLE STUMPERS IN THE JEOPARDY! ROUND
CURRENT SENATORS' STATES $800: California: Feinstein & Her

WOMEN & CHILDREN $1000: Potter Stewart's replacement on the Supreme Court, she once served as Arizona's State Senate Majority Leader
(Cooper: Who is Kagan?)

SCORES AT THE END OF THE JEOPARDY! ROUND
Cooper: $6,800
Kat: $5,200
Josiah: $2,800

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DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND CATEGORIES
DINOSAURS (3/5)
FASHION STARS (5/5)
RANKS & TITLES (4/5)
AMERICAN HISTORY (4/5, including 1 correct Daily Double)
THEY WON'T ACTUALLY RHYME (5/5)
READING LIST (3/5, including 1 missed Daily Double)

THE RIGHTS & THE WRONGS
Kat: 15 R (including 2 rebounds), 2 W
Cooper: 5 R (including 1 rebound and 1 DD), 1 W
Josiah: 4 R (including 1 rebound), 7 W (including 1 DD)

Clues revealed: 30
Triple Stumpers: 5
Double Jeopardy! Round Potential Lach Trash: $7,200



FIRST DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
Cooper snagged the next Daily Double on the 3rd clue. Kat had $5,200, Cooper had $8,400, and Josiah was at $2,400. Cooper wagered $2,000.

AMERICAN HISTORY $800: In 1916, German saboteurs blew up a New Jersey munitions depot, sending shrapnel into this nearby landmark's gown

SECOND DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
It was Josiah who snatched up the last Daily Double of the game on the 21st clue. Kat had $17,200, Cooper had $11,600, and Josiah was at $800. Josiah wagered $2,000.

READING LIST $1600: This Dickens character is mentioned in the first line of "The Catcher in the Rye"
(Josiah: Who is Oliver Twist?)

TRIPLE STUMPERS IN THE DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND
AMERICAN HISTORY $400: Its November 11, 1889 statehood filled in a corner of the Lower 48
(Josiah: What is Arizona?)
(Cooper: What is New Mexico?)

RANKS & TITLES $2000: First instituted in 1802, this award is France's highest decoration
(Josiah: What is the French Cross?)

READING LIST $2000: Bigger Thomas kills a woman in a moment of panic in this novel by Richard Wright
(Josiah: What is Black Boy?)

DINOSAURS $2000: There are 10 or so fossils in this winged creature that some paleontologists want to reclassify as a dinosaur

DINOSAURS $800: The first dinosaurs appeared during this period named for the division of rock strata into 3 units
(Kat: What is the Triassic era?)
[Originally ruled correct; reversed before Final Jeopardy!, when Alex remarked that Kat gave too much information, citing the difference between an era and a period.]

SCORES ENTERING FINAL JEOPARDY!
Kat: $20,400
Cooper: $12,800
Josiah: -$2,800

PREFINAL REMARKS
Alex: [To Kat, concluding Double Jeopardy!] You are right. And that takes you up to $22,000. Very impressive, but it is not a runaway game for you. Cooper's still alive. And poor Josiah. You struggled there in the latter part, and so we have to say goodbye to you. You won't be around for the Final Jeopardy! Round.
...
Alex: [Returning from the break] Just before we get into this Final, we have a change in score to announce, and it affects Kat. Our judges have reviewed one of her responses earlier. She said, "What is the Triassic era?" Era is different from period. She gave us too much incorrect information, and so they deducted $1,600.

FINAL JEOPARDY! CATEGORY
RELIGIOUS HISTORY

VENUSIAN MONOLOGUES/MARTIAN CHRONICLES
Crush for first place.
Kat: Wager $5,201 to cover Cooper.
Cooper: You have the hope of surpassing Kat if you come up with the correct response. Bet all $12,800.

FINAL JEOPARDY! CLUE
This term comes from a 1529 event in which a group of Lutherans formally disagreed with a decision by a Catholic council

FINAL SCORES
Cooper: $12,800 + $7,700 = $20,500 (What is Protestantism?) (Automatic semifinalist)
Kat: $20,400 - $6,000 = $14,400 (What is Reformation?) (2nd place)

Total Potential Lach Trash: $9,000

GAME DYNAMICS
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CORYAT SCORES
Kat: $20,000, 24 R (including 1 DD), 2 W
Cooper: $11,600, 17 R (including 1 DD), 2 W
Josiah: -$800, 11 R, 8 W (including 1 DD)
Combined Coryat: $30,800

BATTING AVERAGES
Kat: 24/59 = .407
Cooper: 18/59 = .305
Josiah: 11/59 = .186
Team: 53/63 = .841

MISCELLANEOUS INTERESTING CLUES
"FIRST" $800: Your relationship to your mother's brother's daughter
(Josiah: what is your nephew, uh, niece?)

FASHION STARS $1200: Some called it a "scandal" when she wore a Prada crop top & bared her pregnant midriff at the 2014 SAG awards
(Kat: Who is Kim Kardashian?)

THEY WON'T ACTUALLY RHYME $1600: Your immortal part & a ball out of play
(Josiah: What is a foul ball?)
(Alex: Need both.)
(Josiah: what is a foul, ball, soul ball?)
(Alex: Sorry, you took too much time.)

THEY WON'T ACTUALLY RHYME $1200: An unrecognized person & fury
(Josiah: What is a stranger, ranger?)

DINOSAURS $1200: (Jimmy of the Clue Crew presents.) Now a term for an ornamental trimming, this bony dinosaur feature acted as a shield; it made the Taurosaurus appear bigger to hungry predators
(Josiah: What is a riff?)

CORRECT RESPONSES
Mozart
Barbara Boxer
Sandra Day O'Connor
Statue of Liberty
David Copperfield
Washington
the Legion of Honor
Native Son
Archaeopteryx
Triassic
Protestantism
first cousin
Kerry Washington
soul & foul
stranger & anger
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Re: Monday, July 21, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by jeff6286 » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:56 am

Religious History
This term comes from a 1529 event in which a group of Lutherans formally disagreed with a decision by a Catholic council.

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What is Protestantism? Kat said reformation.

Kat Deabill: $20,400-$6,000=$14,400
Cooper Lair: $12,800+$7,700=$20,500...Automatic Semi-Finalist
Josiah Takang: (-$2,800)
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Re: Monday, July 21, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Bamaman » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:21 pm

Bad miss for me on FJ, said edict.

Kat overbet on FJ, standing pat at $22,000 would have been the best thing to do. I think she is borderline to make a wild card. I hope it doesn't came back to bite her.

Cooper was in a tough spot on his bet. He is also borderline at $12,200. A small bet doesn't help much, but a big one can kill his chances, though he wouldn't have been totally out of it at $4,500.

After his interview, I was surprised Cooper didn't make a beeline for the reading category in the second round. He probably nails that DD if he hits it.
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Post by dhkendall » Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:10 pm

That was a good board, tougher than I expected for Teen Week (yet there was the requisite "what the kids are into nowadays" category with the slang, which I only got 2 or 3 of), I could see many of those clues in a regular game!

Whiffed on FJ as well, though in very aware of the etymology of my particular branch of Christianity, I got hung up on "Lutheran" and said "synod".
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Post by zakharov » Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:29 pm

Would they have taken just Protestant for FJ? Judges?

Cat and Cooper are both quite formidable. I hope Cat sticks around as a wild card. Should have bet zero there...

Josiah, ouch dude. Exhibit A in how not to STAY CLAM.
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Post by TenPoundHammer » Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:29 pm

Terrible boards for me all the way through.

NHO photobomb, throw shade, or catfishing.

Missed only I Kings in "First".

"Well, it's not NM or AZ, then what corner state is it?!? Oh, that corner." My thoughts, and likely theirs, on History for $400. I think they should've put a bit more of a TOM in there. Like, specifically, WHICH freaking corner...

"Oh, that Upton Sinclair book is Something Jungle... shoot, there's another word in there, what is it?!?… oh, it's just The Jungle?! Derp."

I thought "Fort Knox" was by far the easiest in US History. What led to Statue of Liberty or Republican on the two clues above it, anyway?

Also thought that Macklemore and Pharrell Williams were the easiest in Fashion. As much as I claim a crush on Zooey Deschanel, I admit I don't know a thing about what she does.

Ran Won't Rhyme.

Yet another insta-miss with "reformation". I've honsestly never heard "protestant" with an "ism" after it before.
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Post by zakharov » Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:31 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote: "Well, it's not NM or AZ, then what corner state is it?!? Oh, that corner." My thoughts, and likely theirs, on History for $400. I think they should've put a bit more of a TOM in there. Like, specifically, WHICH freaking corner...
They probably would have, were this Kids Week.
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Post by xxaaaxx » Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:35 pm

14400 should still hold up as a WC, but yikes. Maybe she forgot that she didn't have to win? I can't imagine her thinking 20k wouldn't hold up. Going for the lead with 12800? Eh, I would've bet smaller, but I can live with that (I'm sure he can too ;)).

Instaget FJ. Formal complaint -> protest -> Protestant.

At first, I shrugged and figured OK, they're just going to be lenient with the teens, but then came the Triassic reversal.
dhkendall wrote:yet there was the requisite "what the kids are into nowadays" category with the slang, which I only got 2 or 3 of)
Photobomb (easy), catfishing (easy), throw shade (...wtf?), what were the other two?
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Post by esrever » Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:37 pm

Picked up Lach trash - Sandra Day O'Connor, Washington, Legion of Honor

Instaget FJ.

Kat and Cooper both played well. I think Kat has a good chance at a wild card.

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Post by silverscreentest » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:01 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:What led to Statue of Liberty or Republican on the two clues above it, anyway?
What famous statue of a woman is in or near New Jersey?

The first Republican Party ticket ran in 1856.
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Post by StevenH » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:01 pm

This was a surprisingly enjoyable board.

My prediction of a clue on Pharrell Williams only took one game to come true, though I'll admit that it wasn't the type of clue on him that I expected.

Josiah did get too trigger happy, but in his defense 1) No Teen Tournament contestant is likely to know the David Copperfield DD without having read The Catcher in the Rye; I knew it since I have read the book, but it was still a bad clue, and 2) He at least knew to go for the high dollar clues when he got behind.

I also missed FJ. My guess was "excommunication."
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Post by econgator » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:01 pm

xxaaaxx wrote:throw shade (...wtf?)
My response, too. Never heard of that before.
TenPoundHammer wrote:I've honsestly never heard "protestant" with an "ism" after it before.
Well, which is it -- after or before?

But really? Catholicism, Judaism, Daoism, Hinduism, Bapti.. well, ok, not that last one. :)

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Post by mxc_takeshi » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:03 pm

42 out of 60.

Senators: 5/5 Slang: 2/5 African: 4/5 Athletes: 4/5 Women: 5/5 "First": 5/5
Dinosaurs: 0/5 (Asteroid and meteor mix-up) Fashion: 3/5 Rank: 3/5 History: 4/5 No Rhyme: 4/5 Reading: 3/5

Lach trash: "Barbara Boxer", "Sandra Day O'Connor"

Didn't get FJ- I thought mostly of "schism".

Never heard of "throw shade", either.

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:08 pm

econgator wrote:
TenPoundHammer wrote:I've honsestly never heard "protestant" with an "ism" after it before.
Well, which is it -- after or before?

But really? Catholicism, Judaism, Daoism, Hinduism, Bapti.. well, ok, not that last one. :)
I've rarely heard ANY of them with -isms after them, come to think of it.
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Post by countyguy » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:13 pm

Said "protestants". I count it as a get, even with the "s". Josiah needed to buzz in less. Yeah, the four corners one was unfair because I wanted to go with Utah. I knew the statehood years for each Four Corners state except Utah and just went with that. Had I known what corners they were talking about, it would be an instaget.

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Post by Golf » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:15 pm

This wagering viking very rarely laughs at teens for their wagers, but will comment on those here questioning them.

The leader either stands pat if they feel their score is already sufficient, or goes for the win, anything else is just silly and guessing. 2nd either stands pat if they feel their score is already sufficient, or bets it all since any miss renders their score insufficient, anything else is just silly and guessing. People suggesting Cooper should have wagered less are just silly and guessing.

I've said it before, but wagering in these early rounds is eerily similar to DD's, the best wagers are almost always 0 or TDD. Obviously from the leader's standpoint betting for the win replaces betting it all.
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Post by davey » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:16 pm

StevenH wrote:
Josiah did get too trigger happy, but in his defense 1) No Teen Tournament contestant is likely to know the David Copperfield DD without having read The Catcher in the Rye; I knew it since I have read the book, but it was still a bad clue, and 2) He at least knew to go for the high dollar clues when he got behind.
Haven't many teenagers read Catcher in the Rye? I don't see why the need to have read a book...or even two...makes a bad clue...
If they have read it no doubt it's much more recently than I have. Didn't quite remember the line, but David Copperfield is a logical choice to start a book narrated by a young man telling his own story.
On FJ, went right to reformation and the other word never went through my head... :x Do you think they would have accepted Protestant Reformation?

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Post by econgator » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:24 pm

davey wrote:Do you think they would have accepted Protestant Reformation?
No. The Protestant Reformation is generally considered to be the publication/nailing of The Ninety-Five Theses to the church door. That was in 1517, not 1529.

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Post by jeff6286 » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:24 pm

Golf wrote:This wagering viking very rarely laughs at teens for their wagers, but will comment on those here questioning them.

The leader either stands pat if they feel their score is already sufficient, or goes for the win, anything else is just silly and guessing. 2nd either stands pat if they feel their score is already sufficient, or bets it all since any miss renders their score insufficient, anything else is just silly and guessing. People suggesting Cooper should have wagered less are just silly and guessing.

I've said it before, but wagering in these early rounds is eerily similar to DD's, the best wagers are almost always 0 or TDD. Obviously from the leader's standpoint betting for the win replaces betting it all.
Going for the win in her spot is one thing, but if there is ever a time to do the math and not bet a dollar more than you have to, it is in a Tournament Quarterfinal. Her overwager of $799 could very well come back to haunt her, but we'll see.

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