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J! in the Media

Post by alamble » Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:41 pm

I thought it might be handy to have a single thread where we can post and discuss mentions of the show in the media. A friend of mine (who is also a former contestant, but does not post on this board) shared this item from GQ on the evolution of the show's writing style. What I personally found most interesting is the acknowledgement that Alex is, apparently, more directly involved in writing the clues than one might have originally believed.

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Post by periwinkle » Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:58 pm

That's exactly the point that surprised me. Cool to think of Alex in the writers' room. And I guess all the more reason for the sequestering.

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Post by TomKBaltimoreBoy » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:31 pm

Rewording a line so that the actor who delivers it can do so naturally and effortlessly? Happens on every set in Hollywood -- much to the annoyance of the writer, usually. Nice that the J! crew is smart enough to incorporate it into the process.

Also good to see the TOM acknowledged -- if not by name -- as the central element of good clue-writing. I'll be ready for my GQ photoshoot the day they finally call it by its proper name! :lol:
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Post by khiddy » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:36 pm

I liked the article, but it wasn't surprising that Alex is a hands-on participant in the question-writing process. That fact (and the whole process) was also revealed in "The Jeopardy! Book", published in October 1990.

For those interested, it's available pretty cheap from a certain online bookseller: http://www.amazon.com/Jeopardy-Book-Ans ... 326&sr=1-4

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Re: J! in the Media

Post by alamble » Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:00 pm

TomKBaltimoreBoy wrote:Rewording a line so that the actor who delivers it can do so naturally and effortlessly? Happens on every set in Hollywood -- much to the annoyance of the writer, usually. Nice that the J! crew is smart enough to incorporate it into the process.
I'm sure it comes from Alex's broadcast journalism background as well. No news anchor worth his salt actually reads the copy exactly as written.

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Post by dhkendall » Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:30 pm

khiddy wrote:I liked the article, but it wasn't surprising that Alex is a hands-on participant in the question-writing process. That fact (and the whole process) was also revealed in "The Jeopardy! Book", published in October 1990.

For those interested, it's available pretty cheap from a certain online bookseller: http://www.amazon.com/Jeopardy-Book-Ans ... 326&sr=1-4
Up until a few days ago, I knew about the involvement in 1990, but I assumed that Alex hadn't been involved in the clue writing since then. The surprise was that he's still there.
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TomKBaltimoreBoy wrote:Rewording a line so that the actor who delivers it can do so naturally and effortlessly? Happens on every set in Hollywood -- much to the annoyance of the writer, usually. Nice that the J! crew is smart enough to incorporate it into the process.
I'm sure it comes from Alex's broadcast journalism background as well. No news anchor worth his salt actually reads the copy exactly as written.
Interesting that you say that, I was just reading an article today about Lloyd Robertson (North America's longest serving news anchor (of the CTV Evening News) who will be retiring tomorrow) and it was mentioned that part of the reason he switched from CBC to its main competition CTV in the 1970s is that per CBC union rules, the anchor didn't have any say in what he read on-air, he was just to read the words written for him. That was a big sticking point with Robertson.

So, at least in some time, thanks to unions, they did read the copy exactly as written, at least on CBC.
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Post by alamble » Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:43 pm

dhkendall wrote:
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TomKBaltimoreBoy wrote:Rewording a line so that the actor who delivers it can do so naturally and effortlessly? Happens on every set in Hollywood -- much to the annoyance of the writer, usually. Nice that the J! crew is smart enough to incorporate it into the process.
I'm sure it comes from Alex's broadcast journalism background as well. No news anchor worth his salt actually reads the copy exactly as written.
Interesting that you say that, I was just reading an article today about Lloyd Robertson (North America's longest serving news anchor (of the CTV Evening News) who will be retiring tomorrow) and it was mentioned that part of the reason he switched from CBC to its main competition CTV in the 1970s is that per CBC union rules, the anchor didn't have any say in what he read on-air, he was just to read the words written for him. That was a big sticking point with Robertson.

So, at least in some time, thanks to unions, they did read the copy exactly as written, at least on CBC.
That is likely unique to Canadian media. Here in the States, writers, reporters and on-air personalities for TV news are not members of a union. I can only speak for how it was taught at my university, but no one - not student reporters, student anchors, nor our full-time on-air staff - ever went on-air without reviewing the scripts first. Of course, we also mostly wrote our own stuff.

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Post by dhkendall » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:42 am

alamble wrote:
dhkendall wrote: Interesting that you say that, I was just reading an article today about Lloyd Robertson (North America's longest serving news anchor (of the CTV Evening News) who will be retiring tomorrow) and it was mentioned that part of the reason he switched from CBC to its main competition CTV in the 1970s is that per CBC union rules, the anchor didn't have any say in what he read on-air, he was just to read the words written for him. That was a big sticking point with Robertson.

So, at least in some time, thanks to unions, they did read the copy exactly as written, at least on CBC.
That is likely unique to Canadian media. Here in the States, writers, reporters and on-air personalities for TV news are not members of a union. I can only speak for how it was taught at my university, but no one - not student reporters, student anchors, nor our full-time on-air staff - ever went on-air without reviewing the scripts first. Of course, we also mostly wrote our own stuff.
I tried to stress in my quip that this was the 1970s, I got the impression from the article that times have changed long ago in that department. I've never been up close and personal with journalistic practices (closest I came was a tour of the newsroom and broadcast area of the local CBC studio one time, for a news junkie like me I was in heaven (even have a VHS tape they made of me "reading the news", which was part of the tour) but that's the impression I got - it was union practice in CBC in the 1970s, but the switch to the way it is now was so long ago it's hardly remembered.
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Post by Robert K S » Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:09 am

dhkendall wrote:Up until a few days ago, I knew about the involvement in 1990, but I assumed that Alex hadn't been involved in the clue writing since then. The surprise was that he's still there.
The documentary on the This is Jeopardy! 25th anniversary DVD showed the clue writing/vetting process and a writers' meeting that included Trebek (in street clothes) criticizing the clues.

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Post by thejeopardyfan » Thu May 03, 2012 3:50 pm

A family member alerted me to this. It isn't much, but for what it's worth... ;)

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Post by Mathew5000 » Fri May 02, 2014 9:30 pm

Washington Post "Wonkblog" about male/female Jeopardy champs (Christopher Ingraham)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... -800-alex/

TwoPlusTwo Magazine - "Optimal Wagering in Final Jeopardy!" (Devin Shelly)
http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/issu ... opardy.php

MediaPost - "Aleve Outmaneuvers The DVR on 'Jeopardy'" (John R. Osborn)
http://www.mediapost.com/publications/a ... vr-on.html

Under the Influence (CBC Radio) (Terry O'Reilly)
History of quiz shows and game shows - does not mention Jeopardy but some interesting exposition on the link between quiz shows and product marketing, and the 2008 incident of The Price Is Right being exploited
http://www.cbc.ca/undertheinfluence/sea ... marketing/
http://podcast.cbc.ca/mp3/podcasts/unde ... _71816.mp3 (mp3 format)

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Post by Vermonter » Fri May 02, 2014 10:42 pm

Mathew5000 wrote:MediaPost - "Aleve Outmaneuvers The DVR on 'Jeopardy'" (John R. Osborn)
http://www.mediapost.com/publications/a ... vr-on.html
The Aleve commercials are brilliant but it always bothers me that they end with "The answer is Aleve" ... not on this show!
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Post by jeopardyhopeful » Sun May 04, 2014 9:03 pm

Mathew5000 wrote: TwoPlusTwo Magazine - "Optimal Wagering in Final Jeopardy!" (Devin Shelly)
http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/issu ... opardy.php
I wonder what Vermonter thinks of this author's strategy for the second place player of always betting it all in FJ.

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Post by lieph82 » Sun May 04, 2014 9:05 pm

jeopardyhopeful wrote:
Mathew5000 wrote: TwoPlusTwo Magazine - "Optimal Wagering in Final Jeopardy!" (Devin Shelly)
http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/issu ... opardy.php
I wonder what Vermonter thinks of this author's strategy for the second place player of always betting it all in FJ.
The author assumes that the leader is making the optimal wager, AKA betting for the tie. In that case, the second place player should absolutely bet it all.

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Post by Vermonter » Sun May 04, 2014 9:07 pm

jeopardyhopeful wrote:
Mathew5000 wrote: TwoPlusTwo Magazine - "Optimal Wagering in Final Jeopardy!" (Devin Shelly)
http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/issu ... opardy.php
I wonder what Vermonter thinks of this author's strategy for the second place player of always betting it all in FJ.
I had a good email conversation with him. His sole intent was maximizing the expected value of the total payouts, "logical" wagers be damned.
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Post by jeopardyhopeful » Mon May 05, 2014 4:49 pm

I had a good email conversation with him. His sole intent was maximizing the expected value of the total payouts, "logical" wagers be damned.
Ahhh....I see. As opposed to increasing an individuals' chance of winning.

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Post by Mathew5000 » Mon May 05, 2014 5:38 pm

jeopardyhopeful wrote:
I had a good email conversation with him. His sole intent was maximizing the expected value of the total payouts, "logical" wagers be damned.
Ahhh....I see. As opposed to increasing an individuals' chance of winning.
It's a rather silly article; its analysis shows that if the leader always wagers to tie and the second-place player always wagers all-in, then both players would benefit. Okay, that might have been obvious but it's good to check it empirically. The problem is, the author calls this "optimal wagering" in the title, and concludes that "players should virtually always play for the tie". The conclusion might be correct if the players were a team, cooperating with each other and colluding against the production company. But in real life the players are not going to cheat like that. Therefore the second-place player frequently has better options than an all-in wager. Hence the word "optimal" is misleading in the title of Devin Shelly's article.

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Post by Bamaman » Mon May 05, 2014 10:54 pm

Not really a media reference, but Jeopardy got mentioned on tonight's episode of 24.

The president (who seems to be in the early stages of Alzheimer's) confused Teddy Roosevelt and FDR during a staff meeting. His chief of staff corrected him afterwards and the president told him he'd do great on Jeopardy.
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Re: J! in the Media

Post by Johnblue » Tue May 06, 2014 2:42 pm

Leah wrote:This just came to my attention:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... rc=nl_wonk

They seem determined to have women on the show 50% of the time. And the men lately have been abysmal. Are they taking men with lower scores?

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