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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Post by Volante » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:51 pm

davey wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:17 pm
MarkBarrett wrote:
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Here you go with the image:
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The clue put a Police song in my head.
I'll go along with TPH on this one - the bottle neck is hidden in shadow - what catches the eye is the gold. It could be a gold bar. The paper disappears into the sand (or cloth?) around it. It's not in the bottle...And who puts a form message in a bottle, anyway??
I grokked it was a bottle. And a message. And still managed to not put 1+1 together.

Form messages are not uncommon, considering these were used as a way to track ocean currents way back when. You'd be expected to return the letter, mentioning where and when you found it.

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:52 pm

Volante wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:51 pm
davey wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:17 pm
MarkBarrett wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:37 pm
Here you go with the image:
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The clue put a Police song in my head.
I'll go along with TPH on this one - the bottle neck is hidden in shadow - what catches the eye is the gold. It could be a gold bar. The paper disappears into the sand (or cloth?) around it. It's not in the bottle...And who puts a form message in a bottle, anyway??
I grokked it was a bottle. And a message. And still managed to not put 1+1 together.

Form messages are not uncommon, considering these were used as a way to track ocean currents way back when. You'd be expected to return the letter, mentioning where and when you found it.
I know what they are, but I'm just having a hard time seeing that as a bottle.
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Post by Volante » Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:06 pm

I guess it's the booze hound in me but I instantly pegged that as a liquor bottle, probably gin. (Also, it -is- a gin bottle...which...should I be proud about getting that right?)

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Post by Saturnalia » Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:27 pm

For whatever it is or isn’t worth, I negged with “time capsule.” I didn’t recognize it as a bottle + put it together until I’d already “rung in.”

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:50 pm

davey wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:17 pm
I'll go along with TPH on this one - the bottle neck is hidden in shadow - what catches the eye is the gold. It could be a gold bar. The paper disappears into the sand (or cloth?) around it. It's not in the bottle...And who puts a form message in a bottle, anyway??
Those were likely part of it too. Even with my glasses I'm not particularly blessed with good eyesight. Every other "message in a bottle" I've seen has been a rolled-up piece of paper in a clear bottle. Not a golden colored, odd shaped object that barely even looks like a bottle, with the message itself tucked off to the side and blending into the background.
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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Post by OrangeSAM » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:25 am

Volante wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:51 pm
davey wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:17 pm
MarkBarrett wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:37 pm
Here you go with the image:
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Image
The clue put a Police song in my head.
I'll go along with TPH on this one - the bottle neck is hidden in shadow - what catches the eye is the gold. It could be a gold bar. The paper disappears into the sand (or cloth?) around it. It's not in the bottle...And who puts a form message in a bottle, anyway??
I grokked it was a bottle. And a message. And still managed to not put 1+1 together.

Form messages are not uncommon, considering these were used as a way to track ocean currents way back when. You'd be expected to return the letter, mentioning where and when you found it.
I know someone who still does this. He prefers champagne bottles for glass thickness and opacity to defend against sun damage. In addition to the note, a few dollars are thrown in for postage and to leave a little in the finder's pocket.
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Post by dinghammer » Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:18 am

Saturnalia wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:27 pm
For whatever it is or isn’t worth, I negged with “time capsule.” I didn’t recognize it as a bottle + put it together until I’d already “rung in.”
Same, and same. I thought it was some sort of gold(en?) plaque with something stamped on it and a piece of paper.

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Post by MarkBarrett » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:41 pm

On August 3, 2015, Stefani filed for divorce from Rossdale, citing "irreconcilable differences".[121] The divorce was finalized on April 8, 2016, in which Rossdale agreed to the "unequal split" of their assets.[122]

In November 2015, Stefani and her The Voice co-star, country music artist Blake Shelton, announced that they were dating.[123]

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:43 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:
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On August 3, 2015, Stefani filed for divorce from Rossdale, citing "irreconcilable differences".[121] The divorce was finalized on April 8, 2016, in which Rossdale agreed to the "unequal split" of their assets.[122]

In November 2015, Stefani and her The Voice co-star, country music artist Blake Shelton, announced that they were dating.[123]
I did a control-F for "2015" on her article, and somehow never saw either of those passages.
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Post by MarkBarrett » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:47 pm

Lord Jim & Conrad has all kinds of variations in the Archive. By now it has enough appearances that first box is fine while a value or two lower is no crime either. It's a basic title & author match the J! contestants can do while ignoring all of the unnecessary stuff between the category name and the other parts of the clue.

You have seen it before: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4197&p=250286&hilit ... im#p250286

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:24 pm

TPH Fails at Math, Volume... Something.

So yeah, Solve for X for $200 in this game.

500 - X + 1 = 381

I don't see anything to do here to simplify it, because you have a -X on one side, not an X. You can take the +1 off, which is 500-X=380. But you can't subtract 500 from both sides, because that would mean doing 380-500.
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Post by teapot37 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:01 pm

500 - X = 380

(First, yes, you certainly COULD subtract 500 from both sides. You would just get -X = -120, which implies that X = 120.)

how I would do it:
Subtract 300 from both sides. This leaves 200 - X = 80.
Then subtract 80 from both sides. This leaves 120 - X = 0.
You can either add X to both sides, or recognize that the only way for 120 - X to equal 0 is if they are equal. Either way, X = 120.
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Post by TenPoundHammer » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:19 pm

teapot37 wrote:
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500 - X = 380

(First, yes, you certainly COULD subtract 500 from both sides. You would just get -X = -120, which implies that X = 120.)

how I would do it:
Subtract 300 from both sides. This leaves 200 - X = 80.
Then subtract 80 from both sides. This leaves 120 - X = 0.
You can either add X to both sides, or recognize that the only way for 120 - X to equal 0 is if they are equal. Either way, X = 120.
That sounds absolutely monstrous for the top box.
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Post by teapot37 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:26 pm

I think you should probably understand that you're not the greatest arbiter of difficulty for math questions.
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Post by TenPoundHammer » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:29 pm

teapot37 wrote:
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I think you should probably understand that you're not the greatest arbiter of difficulty for math questions.
Still, that's a HELL of a lot more steps than "5+3X=29", which was the third box down. That was the only one I got looking back at that category.
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Post by teapot37 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:01 pm

Not in terms of the types of operations in each question.

200: just addition and subtraction (and I think most people [who are not you] can do 500-380 in their head)
400: addition, subtraction, and exponentiation (squares)
600: radicals (square roots), addition, subtraction, and multiplication
800: multiple solutions of a quadratic equation
1000: changing denominators to subtract fractions (although, to be honest, I think this one should have been a lot lower, maybe the 400)
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Post by TenPoundHammer » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:11 pm

380 + X = 500

Okay, that doesn't help me solve for X though.
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Post by trainman » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:13 am

The easiest way for me to "see" that in my head is by thinking "$3.80 needs to have $1.20 added to it to get to $5.00." That's the type of math I've done thousands of times in my life. (I just did it this week, going out to eat, because I like the total plus tip to come out to a round number.)

But I know this will be of absolutely no help to TPH, so I'm not sure why I'm even bothering.

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:17 am

trainman wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:13 am
The easiest way for me to "see" that in my head is by thinking "$3.80 needs to have $1.20 added to it to get to $5.00." That's the type of math I've done thousands of times in my life. (I just did it this week, going out to eat, because I like the total plus tip to come out to a round number.)
But what if it's 379, 381, 479, 481, or 465? Can't shortcut those the same way, can you?
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