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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Post by Peter the accountant » Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:24 am

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:18 am
Peter the accountant wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:13 am
Because we're trying to do the simplest math we can.
Because splitting one problem into ten smaller ones, and then adding all THEM up, is "simpler".
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Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:13 am
Answer that question, please. What is the next multiple of 10 that is larger than 472.
Answer ME why we're going to multiples of 10.
Because I'm trying to teach and you're trying to be a student. Sometimes you have to trust the teacher and go along without understanding yet. It's OK. I'm not going to ask you to do anything dangerous. Except thinking. Thinking can be dangerous! ;)

Now. What is the next multiple of 10 that is larger than 472?
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Post by TenPoundHammer » Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:33 am

Whatever. I'm never gonna freaking get this. 480.
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Post by Peter the accountant » Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:40 am

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:33 am
Whatever. I'm never gonna freaking get this. 480.
YOU can do anything you put your mind to. But getting out of very old ruts in thinking takes time. And it gets frustrating. Stick with it.

Next question: what do you add to 472 to get to 480? Wait. Don't answer that. Don't think about that. Let me ask a different question.

What do you add to 2 to get to 10?

Again, please just trust me - a complete internet stranger who started posting here about 24 hours ago and hasn't earned a drop of trust yet. :shock: Well, the admins do trust me to post now without having every post reviewed. I guess that's something!
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Post by TenPoundHammer » Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:55 am

Peter the accountant wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:40 am
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:33 am
Whatever. I'm never gonna freaking get this. 480.
YOU can do anything you put your mind to. But getting out of very old ruts in thinking takes time. And it gets frustrating. Stick with it.

Next question: what do you add to 472 to get to 480? Wait. Don't answer that. Don't think about that. Let me ask a different question.

What do you add to 2 to get to 10?

Again, please just trust me - a complete internet stranger who started posting here about 24 hours ago and hasn't earned a drop of trust yet. :shock: Well, the admins do trust me to post now without having every post reviewed. I guess that's something!
I'm so dumb I almost put a 6, even though I know the answer is 8.
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Post by dhkendall » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:05 am

Volante wrote:
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TenPoundHammer wrote:
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Then I still have to slog through 8 + 20 + whatever, which is just making things a billion times more complicated.
You've just flat out stated that 8+20+200+1000 is more complicated than 1700-472.

Explain to ME how that's possible.
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What would you add to 500 to get 1700?
Uh.

1700
-500

...Uh...

...

...
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Post by Peter the accountant » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:23 am

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:55 am
I'm so dumb I almost put a 6, even though I know the answer is 8.
But you are smart enough to catch your error and fix it.

Next question. What do you add to 12 to get to 20? Hint: keep the previous question and answer in mind.
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Post by TenPoundHammer » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:31 am

Peter the accountant wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:23 am
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:55 am
I'm so dumb I almost put a 6, even though I know the answer is 8.
But you are smart enough to catch your error and fix it.

Next question. What do you add to 12 to get to 20? Hint: keep the previous question and answer in mind.
Where are 12 and 20 coming from?
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Post by Peter the accountant » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:38 am

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Where are 12 and 20 coming from?
Doesn’t matter. You’ll figure that out once it all clicks. Remember, just trust me for a bit.

So what do you add to 12 to get to 20?
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Post by TenPoundHammer » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:44 am

Peter the accountant wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:38 am
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:31 am
Where are 12 and 20 coming from?
Doesn’t matter. You’ll figure that out once it all clicks. Remember, just trust me for a bit.

So what do you add to 12 to get to 20?
8
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Post by Peter the accountant » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:52 am

Excellent! Please trust me for a couple more.

What do you add to 32 to get to 40?
What do you add to 42 to get to 50?
What do you add to 72 to get to 80?
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Post by TenPoundHammer » Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:09 am

Those all appear to be 8.
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Post by dhkendall » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:23 am

We interrupt this pointless exercise in math that’ll inevitably end in frustration to wish TPH good luck as he travels to LA today to tape Wheel!

Good luck and hopefully no math comes up in your game!
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Post by 1stlvlthinker » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:14 am

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:18 am
Peter the accountant wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:13 am
Because we're trying to do the simplest math we can.
Because splitting one problem into ten smaller ones, and then adding all THEM up, is "simpler".
Peter the accountant wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:13 am
Answer that question, please. What is the next multiple of 10 that is larger than 472.
Answer ME why we're going to multiples of 10.
You still haven't answered this one:

Which of these problems are easier?

14.00 - 6.00

15.23 - 6.49

15.00 - 7.00

1.00 - 0.80

1.21 - 0.83
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Post by opusthepenguin » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:29 am

Hey TPH, what's 500 - 399? Can you do that in your head?

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Post by Peter the accountant » Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:15 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:09 am
Those all appear to be 8.
That's right.

I'm going to annoy you some more. Please continue to bear with me.

How about adding from 102 to get to 110?
Or 122 to get to 130?
Or 142 to get to 150?


PS - My sincere best wishes for you today on Wheel! Go there safe in the knowledge that the only math on the show is adding up your winnings, and Pat will do that for you!
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Post by TenPoundHammer » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:20 pm

1stlvlthinker wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:14 am

You still haven't answered this one:

Which of these problems are easier?

14.00 - 6.00

15.23 - 6.49

15.00 - 7.00

1.00 - 0.80

1.21 - 0.83
None of them.
opusthepenguin wrote:
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Hey TPH, what's 500 - 399? Can you do that in your head?
No.
Peter the accountant wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:15 pm
I'm going to annoy you some more. Please continue to bear with me.

How about adding from 102 to get to 110?
Or 122 to get to 130?
Or 142 to get to 150?
Looks like 8. Where are you going with this?
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Post by Peter the accountant » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:22 pm

First things first. I hope you had an enjoyable day of taping!!
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:20 pm
Looks like 8. Where are you going with this?
Two places.

1. You CAN do math in your head. You just did. Several times. So remain confident that you can improve.

2. Can you see that each time you have done these, you've done the first step in breaking down the problem into smaller pieces? When we slipped into dealing with hundreds, you realized that the hundreds didn't change. They were irrelevant. Plus you almost instinctively realized that the 10s digit was going up by one, so you could do that in your head as well.

Here are the next exercises to stretch your thinking.
This time, tell me two things: What is the next multiple of 10 that's higher than the given number, and what do you have to add to the given number to get there. That second question is the one I've been asking recently. But the answer isn't going to be 8 every time. ;)

Here's a couple numbers to try:
7
31
59
265
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7 next multiple: 10 add: 3
31 next multiple: 40 add: 9
59 next multiple: 60 add: 1
265 next multiple: 270 add: 5
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Post by 1stlvlthinker » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:49 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:20 pm
1stlvlthinker wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:14 am

You still haven't answered this one:

Which of these problems are easier?

14.00 - 6.00

15.23 - 6.49

15.00 - 7.00

1.00 - 0.80

1.21 - 0.83
None of them.
opusthepenguin wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:29 am
Hey TPH, what's 500 - 399? Can you do that in your head?
No.
Peter the accountant wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:15 pm
I'm going to annoy you some more. Please continue to bear with me.

How about adding from 102 to get to 110?
Or 122 to get to 130?
Or 142 to get to 150?
Looks like 8. Where are you going with this?
Yeah, even though I keep jumping in, I just really have to stop. It's like trying to teach this to a 1st grader. You do have to understand how addition and subtraction (and counting to 10) work before these tricks will work. Peter is way more patient than I.
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Post by TenPoundHammer » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:08 pm

So going back.

472+8 = 480

1700-480 = Oh crap.
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Post by Peter the accountant » Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:10 am

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:08 pm
So going back.

472+8 = 480

1700-480 = Oh crap.
That's because you skipped a step.

Instead of 1700-480, the next step is to go to the next multiple of 100 larger than 480.

So, 500-480. Or the way I've been trying to phrase it, what you do add to 480 to get to 500?

Can you do that one?
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