The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Post by TenPoundHammer » Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:57 pm

Elijah Baley wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:02 am
WLT "poor" at $200? That whole category was very YEKIOYD.
Actually, the category was the exact opposite of YEKIOYD. No one would be expected to know Confucius quotes. Instead, they expected people to deduce the opposite of rich, for example. At most, they expected you to know that Confucian thought honored ancestors, so "mother and father" were the people you're supposed to stay close to while they're alive.
I'll have to see the clues, because I didn't deduce any keywords in any of them.
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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Post by Elijah Baley » Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:33 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:57 pm
Elijah Baley wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:02 am
WLT "poor" at $200? That whole category was very YEKIOYD.
Actually, the category was the exact opposite of YEKIOYD. No one would be expected to know Confucius quotes. Instead, they expected people to deduce the opposite of rich, for example. At most, they expected you to know that Confucian thought honored ancestors, so "mother and father" were the people you're supposed to stay close to while they're alive.
I'll have to see the clues, because I didn't deduce any keywords in any of them.
Ok, here you go:

"Not to grumble at being ____ is hard, not to be proud of wealth is easy"
Or: what is the opposite of being wealthy?
"He that rules by mind is like the ____ star, steady in his seat, whilst the stars all bend to him"
Or: Name a star that doesn't move.
"The three hundred poems are summed up in the one line, think no ____"
Or: What's the most important moral code? The Christian counterpart would be, "This commandment is above all others." "Think no evil" is just the flip of "love thy neighbor."
"Whilst thy ____ and ____ are living, do not wander afar"
The only one that it helped knowing something about Confucian thought, i.e., the importance of ancestors, but "mother and father" are pretty obvious - the only other reasonable guesses might be grandparents or children.
"Eating coarse ____ and drinking water...we may be merry; but ill-gotten wealth" is "a wandering cloud"
Maybe the most difficult of the group - and hey, it's the $1000 clue! - but basically, what's a staple of Chinese diet? Rice! (Even if you're not sure what "course rice" would mean, exactly; it would be a very reasonable guess).

As it's been said repeatedly here, sometimes it helps not to over-think things or assume that a category requires some specialized knowledge. Unless someone is a Confucian scholar, it's extremely unlikely that any player would have actually heard or read any of these but as shown above, at least three of the five were incredibly easy to get with just a little thought - and the other two weren't much more difficult.

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Post by Bamaman » Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:15 pm

Those required logical thought, something TPH is incapable of even trying to do.

I clammed on evil, but it would have been my guess if it had been a DD. I guessed bread instead of rice.

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Post by Bamaman » Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:18 pm

nlw44 wrote:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:28 pm
Bamaman wrote:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:10 pm
nlw44 wrote:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:08 pm
Bamaman wrote:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:55 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:38 pm


[citation needed]
http://j-archive.com/search.php?search= ... mit=Search
Thank you, Bamaman. But honestly, I would have thought that TPH could take the simple and obvious step to do the J! Archive search himself.
You must be new here.
Not at all. Usually I sigh to myself in exasperation and/or amazement, but just sometimes I can't keep myself from venting. Some years ago I replied to a typical TPH post with the tried and true, "Sometimes you just have to know stuff." The line has been used before and since, but it does no good so I try to rise above the fray. Obviously, not tonight.
I know you aren't new here. It was more of a joke in that this has been brought up hundreds of times before in this and game threads, yet we (and I'm as guilty as anyone) continue to point things out to him he is more than capable of doing himself.

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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Post by TenPoundHammer » Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:28 pm

Elijah Baley wrote:
Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:33 pm
"Not to grumble at being ____ is hard, not to be proud of wealth is easy"
Or: what is the opposite of being wealthy?
I totally didn't pick up on the parallels at all.
Elijah Baley wrote:
Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:33 pm
"He that rules by mind is like the ____ star, steady in his seat, whilst the stars all bend to him"
Or: Name a star that doesn't move.
Given what we knew of the solar system in Confucius' time...
Elijah Baley wrote:
Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:33 pm
"The three hundred poems are summed up in the one line, think no ____"
Or: What's the most important moral code? The Christian counterpart would be, "This commandment is above all others." "Think no evil" is just the flip of "love thy neighbor."
There are lots of words besides "evil" that convey the same thing.
Elijah Baley wrote:
Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:33 pm
"Whilst thy ____ and ____ are living, do not wander afar"
The only one that it helped knowing something about Confucian thought, i.e., the importance of ancestors, but "mother and father" are pretty obvious - the only other reasonable guesses might be grandparents or children.
Or any two random-ass people.
Elijah Baley wrote:
Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:33 pm
"Eating coarse ____ and drinking water...we may be merry; but ill-gotten wealth" is "a wandering cloud"
Maybe the most difficult of the group - and hey, it's the $1000 clue! - but basically, what's a staple of Chinese diet? Rice! (Even if you're not sure what "course rice" would mean, exactly; it would be a very reasonable guess).
[citation needed]
Elijah Baley wrote:
Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:33 pm
As it's been said repeatedly here, sometimes it helps not to over-think things or assume that a category requires some specialized knowledge. Unless someone is a Confucian scholar, it's extremely unlikely that any player would have actually heard or read any of these but as shown above, at least three of the five were incredibly easy to get with just a little thought - and the other two weren't much more difficult.
I still found them total shots in the dark.
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Post by dhkendall » Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:52 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:28 pm
Elijah Baley wrote:
Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:33 pm
"The three hundred poems are summed up in the one line, think no ____"
Or: What's the most important moral code? The Christian counterpart would be, "This commandment is above all others." "Think no evil" is just the flip of "love thy neighbor."
There are lots of words besides "evil" that convey the same thing.
I thought of the "see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil" monkeys. Whatever works, I guess.
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Post by Elijah Baley » Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:59 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:28 pm

I still found them total shots in the dark.
Except that it's been illustrated to you that these were not shots in the dark; at most, one or two of them required an educated guess. Maybe you viewed them that way before, but you can't make that claim now.

(And it's baloney, by the way, that people had some lesser understanding about the North Star's stationary position in the sky in the time of Confucius - people have been navigating by the stars for thousands of years, and given your experience in church, you may have even heard about a story where there was a "Star in the East that guided them." Because you don't have to know the first thing about the Solar System or galaxies or the nature of the universe to be able to look up at night and make observations about the points of light in the sky).

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Post by Wheatley » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:11 pm

You mean to tell me that the one time you attempted lateral thinking, it led you astray? It's perfectly fine to ask WLT but you're not helping yourself by inventing narratives that suggest the clues are flawed rather than you.
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Post by BobF » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:58 am

Elijah Baley wrote:
Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:33 pm
"He that rules by mind is like the ____ star, steady in his seat, whilst the stars all bend to him"
Or: Name a star that doesn't move.
They all move, Elijah!
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Post by Rackme32 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:20 pm

Elijah Baley wrote:
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Or: Name a star that doesn't move.
Um... Marilyn Monroe? :::::: fleeeeeeee ::::::

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Post by Bamaman » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:43 pm

Name a star (the kind in the sky) that is known as "____ Star". Break it down to that. I don't know how to make it any simpler. I'm sure there are other stars that could fit in there, but not many that would be in a Jeopardy! clue.

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Post by Volante » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:29 pm

Bamaman wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:43 pm
Name a star (the kind in the sky) that is known as "____ Star". Break it down to that. I don't know how to make it any simpler. I'm sure there are other stars that could fit in there, but not many that would be in a Jeopardy! clue.
Dog Star, Barnard's Star (and that one's still probably a 4th or 5th row TOCer) and I'm stumped past that.

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Post by Elijah Baley » Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:30 pm

BobF wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:58 am
Elijah Baley wrote:
Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:33 pm
"He that rules by mind is like the ____ star, steady in his seat, whilst the stars all bend to him"
Or: Name a star that doesn't move.
They all move, Elijah!
Is that according to that Danish guy - Copernicus?

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Post by Wheatley » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:03 pm

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Madden, Mozart, or Zulu in the top box?
-NHO that shameless cash-grabbing frachise by EA that makes the same game every year?

-Disregarding that Mozart is the right answer for a fair number of top-row composer clues, what led to it was that he had "oz" in his name.

-Shaka Zulu is the category subject's (informal) full name.
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Post by dhkendall » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:25 pm

Wheatley wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:03 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:53 pm
Madden, Mozart, or Zulu in the top box?
-NHO that shameless cash-grabbing frachise by EA that makes the same game every year?

-Disregarding that Mozart is the right answer for a fair number of top-row composer clues, what led to it was that he had "oz" in his name.

-Shaka Zulu is the category subject's (informal) full name.
Alex also referred to it as "the Shaka Zulu category" when talking about the reversal.
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Post by seaborgium » Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:26 am

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:53 pm
WLT Henry VIII
Anne Bullen = Ann Boleyn = wife of Henry VIII (Granted, that got by me tonight, but I've been sick.)

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:13 pm

seaborgium wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:26 am
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:53 pm
WLT Henry VIII
Anne Bullen = Ann Boleyn = wife of Henry VIII (Granted, that got by me tonight, but I've been sick.)
Because we all know how much I love "it sounds like a keyword, kinda sorta almost" as a TOM.
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Post by seaborgium » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:15 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:13 pm
seaborgium wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:26 am
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:53 pm
WLT Henry VIII
Anne Bullen = Ann Boleyn = wife of Henry VIII (Granted, that got by me tonight, but I've been sick.)
Because we all know how much I love "it sounds like a keyword, kinda sorta almost" as a TOM.
One change of syllable stress is the only difference.

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Post by KellyLasiter » Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:04 pm

seaborgium wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:15 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:13 pm
seaborgium wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:26 am
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:53 pm
WLT Henry VIII
Anne Bullen = Ann Boleyn = wife of Henry VIII (Granted, that got by me tonight, but I've been sick.)
Because we all know how much I love "it sounds like a keyword, kinda sorta almost" as a TOM.
One change of syllable stress is the only difference.
Yep and Bullen was the original spelling. Boleyn was the family putting on French airs after the two daughters served at French court for a while. They were big social climbers. ;)

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Post by davey » Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:41 pm

KellyLasiter wrote:
Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:04 pm
seaborgium wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:15 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:13 pm
seaborgium wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:26 am
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:53 pm
WLT Henry VIII
Anne Bullen = Ann Boleyn = wife of Henry VIII (Granted, that got by me tonight, but I've been sick.)
Because we all know how much I love "it sounds like a keyword, kinda sorta almost" as a TOM.
One change of syllable stress is the only difference.
Yep and Bullen was the original spelling. Boleyn was the family putting on French airs after the two daughters served at French court for a while. They were big social climbers. ;)
Sorry, but I believe that's a myth-
https://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/bole ... n-changed/

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