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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:48 pm
by TenPoundHammer
But I would only know that if I'd stumbled across the word "bristlecone" before.

Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:36 pm
by Volante
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:48 pm
But I would only know that if I'd stumbled across the word "bristlecone" before.
They're only the oldest living things on the planet...

Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:38 pm
by Wheatley
Is there any reason that a tree-cone would mean something besides a type of pine cone? It's top row so they wouldn't be expecting something extremely obscure.

Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:06 pm
by jeff6286
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:48 pm
But I would only know that if I'd stumbled across the word "bristlecone" before.
Wait so when you asked for a citation you needed it to come from your own brain? Is MarkBarrett supposed to somehow know what in your head was supposed to lead you to the correct response? Do you think that's asking for too much? Do you think when you ask what led to the correct response that maybe the only way people can answer is with what led THEM to it? That's not enough? They have to give the answer from your point of view, despite not having shared the thoughts, memories, and experiences that have made up your life? I feel like maybe I've cracked open a severe flaw in this whole "What led to" operation. It just can't possibly work that way.

Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:26 pm
by econgator
And yet you all continue to try....

Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:41 am
by TenPoundHammer
jeff6286 wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:06 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:48 pm
But I would only know that if I'd stumbled across the word "bristlecone" before.
Wait so when you asked for a citation you needed it to come from your own brain?
I meant, if I'd seen the word "bristlecone" before it was linked to me.

Still. The clue depended on either knowing something so obscure as "Bristlecone", or taking a WAG on a word that kinda almost looks like what they want.

Or expecting Sixtus VI to not be a trap, because hey maybe that was the one time they messed up the numbering? It's clearly not going to be that obvious at the bottom of the board. Or going "well, one of these SOUNDS less like a pope name than the other two."

Or expecting "fledgling Royal Flying Corps" to mean "first war chronologically where planes could've been used" when the clue said NOTHING to the sort about the latter.

Or knowing that adding random-ass numbers to 522 will somehow get me to 1100.

Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:36 am
by BigDaddyMatty
You're right, man. The jig is up. There's just no way they can possibly expect anyone to know this crap. They've been feeding all of us the correct responses just to mess with you.

Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:42 am
by This Is Kirk!
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:01 pm
MarkBarrett wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:53 pm
piñon looks very close to pine
Again with the "kinda sorta vaguely almost looks like a cognate if you squint at it" crap, huh?
No, more like in an "obvious to pretty much everyone other than TPH" kinda way.

Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:46 am
by Bamaman
BigDaddyMatty wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:36 am
You're right, man. The jig is up. There's just no way they can possibly expect anyone to know this crap. They've been feeding all of us the correct responses just to mess with you.
It is our version of The Truman Show. We created Jeopardy so we could watch TPH's reactions with random "facts" only we know. Ken Jennings, Brad Rutter and the others are just paid actors.

Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:53 am
by 1stlvlthinker
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:13 pm
Bamaman wrote:
Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:51 am
Exactly. As seaborgium noted, there have been some screwy things related to pope names. But I would not expect them to answer us about an oddball situation where a name/number combo was skipped for some reason unless it had resulted in a huge story recently. So there not being a Sixtus VI should be obvious.
Unless you don't know the history of popes. Some numbers have been skipped, so it's easy to go "well, Sixtus VI is blatant negbait, because why else would something that obvious be that far down the board? Must be IV or V."
I'll say this again, you simultaneously think too much and think too little.

Occam's Razor. If you're wrong, you're wrong, but being simple with this will get you the right answer most of the time.

Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:43 pm
by TenPoundHammer
1stlvlthinker wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:53 am
Occam's Razor. If you're wrong, you're wrong, but being simple with this will get you the right answer most of the time.
Most of the time. Except for the 87,349 times that it's totally backfired on me.

Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:57 pm
by dhkendall
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:43 pm
1stlvlthinker wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:53 am
Occam's Razor. If you're wrong, you're wrong, but being simple with this will get you the right answer most of the time.
Most of the time. Except for the 87,349 times that it's totally backfired on me.
Then don't ask people who it doesn't backfire on! It isn't going to be productive if nothing we say works for you because none of us are you!

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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:27 pm
by 1stlvlthinker
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:43 pm
1stlvlthinker wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:53 am
Occam's Razor. If you're wrong, you're wrong, but being simple with this will get you the right answer most of the time.
Most of the time. Except for the 87,349 times that it's totally backfired on me.
Okay, I'll bite. Let's keep track of the times that you have no idea what the answer is, and simple logic isn't the right answer. This is much better than just giving up and saying you have no idea.

Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:24 pm
by seaborgium
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:13 pm
Bamaman wrote:
Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:51 am
Exactly. As seaborgium noted, there have been some screwy things related to pope names. But I would not expect them to answer us about an oddball situation where a name/number combo was skipped for some reason unless it had resulted in a huge story recently. So there not being a Sixtus VI should be obvious.
Unless you don't know the history of popes. Some numbers have been skipped, so it's easy to go "well, Sixtus VI is blatant negbait, because why else would something that obvious be that far down the board? Must be IV or V."
If you don't know the history of popes, you don't know about skipped regnal numbers, and you Occam's razor your way to the one that doesn't render either of the other two impossible. It's farther down on the board because hey, moon logic.

Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:31 pm
by seaborgium
I encountered the phrase "bristlecone pine" in Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator and have never forgotten it. I have also not forgotten that the U.S. President in that book is named Lancelot Gilligrass.

Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:09 am
by MinnesotaMyron
seaborgium wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:31 pm
I encountered the phrase "bristlecone pine" in Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator and have never forgotten it. I have also not forgotten that the U.S. President in that book is named Lancelot Gilligrass.
Knock, knock.
Who's there?
Courtney.
Courtney who?

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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:18 am
by alietr
dhkendall wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:57 pm

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Oh, David, I'm tempted to make that my avatar. Good one.

Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:03 pm
by TenPoundHammer
seaborgium wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:24 pm
If you don't know the history of popes, you don't know about skipped regnal numbers, and you Occam's razor your way to the one that doesn't render either of the other two impossible. It's farther down on the board because hey, moon logic.
Or even if you don't know about skipped numbers, you still expect a trap, and thus think that VI is the wrong answer.

Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:26 pm
by Volante
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:03 pm
seaborgium wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:24 pm
If you don't know the history of popes, you don't know about skipped regnal numbers, and you Occam's razor your way to the one that doesn't render either of the other two impossible. It's farther down on the board because hey, moon logic.
Or even if you don't know about skipped numbers, you still expect a trap, and thus think that VI is the wrong answer.
Why are you -expecting- a trap, ever? Negbait is the exception, not the rule.

Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:07 pm
by TenPoundHammer
Volante wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:26 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:03 pm
seaborgium wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:24 pm
If you don't know the history of popes, you don't know about skipped regnal numbers, and you Occam's razor your way to the one that doesn't render either of the other two impossible. It's farther down on the board because hey, moon logic.
Or even if you don't know about skipped numbers, you still expect a trap, and thus think that VI is the wrong answer.
Why are you -expecting- a trap, ever? Negbait is the exception, not the rule.
Once bitten, 900 times shy.