The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Post by mikebdoss » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:29 am

Even with a random guess, there were a few tips for narrowing it down:

“You need us…for everything you do” was a slogan used by this channel, one of the first to customize content by location

"One of the first" points to a channel that's been around a long time. You're probably too young to remember, but even 20 years ago, there were considerably fewer channels than there are now. Not as helpful if you don't know that TWC is one of the oldest dedicated cable channels, but still a hint.

"Customize content by location", for me, points to either news, weather or sports - those are the types of things that are much more location-dependent than other television programming. My original guess was CNN, then I switched to TWC when I read the "You need us..." slogan - the "need" implies something more important than cable news or sports scores.

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:36 am

The thing is, none of the words steered me in any direction whatsoever. I didn't know that ANY networks customize content by location.
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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Post by seaborgium » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:08 am

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:36 am
The thing is, none of the words steered me in any direction whatsoever. I didn't know that ANY networks customize content by location.
You didn't have to know that, because that information was right there in the clue. What you had to do was take that new information and figure out why content would need to be customized by location. My first thought was that cable providers' offerings varied from market to market, and so the TV Guide Channel would have to customize its listings. But that didn't sit right with me, and I tried to think of something else that varied from place to place that pertained to cable TV, and weather was it.

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Post by nklotz » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:53 pm

1stlvlthinker wrote:
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If you'd like, I can demonstrate the math as to how 1/1000 is greater than 0/1000.
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Post by TenPoundHammer » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:15 pm

seaborgium wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:08 am
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:36 am
The thing is, none of the words steered me in any direction whatsoever. I didn't know that ANY networks customize content by location.
You didn't have to know that, because that information was right there in the clue. What you had to do was take that new information and figure out why content would need to be customized by location. My first thought was that cable providers' offerings varied from market to market, and so the TV Guide Channel would have to customize its listings. But that didn't sit right with me, and I tried to think of something else that varied from place to place that pertained to cable TV, and weather was it.
I did try to take those pieces, and no matter how much smoke came out of my cranium, I couldn't think of ANYTHING that fit. Hence my blank.
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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Post by seaborgium » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:57 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:15 pm
seaborgium wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:08 am
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:36 am
The thing is, none of the words steered me in any direction whatsoever. I didn't know that ANY networks customize content by location.
You didn't have to know that, because that information was right there in the clue. What you had to do was take that new information and figure out why content would need to be customized by location. My first thought was that cable providers' offerings varied from market to market, and so the TV Guide Channel would have to customize its listings. But that didn't sit right with me, and I tried to think of something else that varied from place to place that pertained to cable TV, and weather was it.
I did try to take those pieces, and no matter how much smoke came out of my cranium, I couldn't think of ANYTHING that fit. Hence my blank.
Fine, say that then; I'm just pointing out that "I didn't know [fact given in the clue]" isn't a legit excuse. Jeopardy clues sometimes tell you something that you didn't previously know, intending for you to match it with something you already knew. Sometimes the magic just doesn't happen. I feel like here you expected "customize content by location" to be something you were supposed to already know, and you got stuck in the mud of recall before you could ever get yourself on the solid ground of deduction.

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Post by mikebdoss » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:17 pm

I think that highlights an important point: Knowing specific bits of knowledge is very important for Jeopardy, but equally important is making good guesses based on the hints in the clue. And the hints won't be obvious TOMs, they're often more subtle (like I described above in the weather channel clue). I've known plenty of VERY smart people who are terrible at Jeopardy and other trivia games because they can't "get" the meta information in clues. Jeopardy is absolutely NOT just a game of recall, it's a game of figuring out what's being asked based on how the clues are phrased, and sometimes making a guess just on that (even if you never would have gotten the answer if the clue was phrased differently).

It's tough and confusing, but that's why it's a fun game to watch, and why it's so tough to get on the show.

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:01 am

So basically it's reading so far between the lines that you start seeing 23s in everything.
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Post by dhkendall » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:56 am

MarkBarrett wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:08 pm

Any channel. Any. Pick one.
Channel 54? :D

(That reminds me of when we travel with the kids and they want to watch their beloved Cartoon Network at the hotel. But they always call it “channel 43” so either one of two things happen. They either tune the hotel TV to 43 and wonder why it isn’t Cartoon Network, or they ask “what channel is channel 43 on?” (Even in Winnipeg it can be on another channel, depending on who your cable provider is, which confuses them too.))
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Post by MarkBarrett » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:15 am

dhkendall wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:56 am
MarkBarrett wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:08 pm

Any channel. Any. Pick one.
Channel 54? :D

(That reminds me of when we travel with the kids and they want to watch their beloved Cartoon Network at the hotel. But they always call it “channel 43” so either one of two things happen. They either tune the hotel TV to 43 and wonder why it isn’t Cartoon Network, or they ask “what channel is channel 43 on?” (Even in Winnipeg it can be on another channel, depending on who your cable provider is, which confuses them too.))
My channel numbers to watch programming in HD are in the 700s. Curious what Channel 54 is on my system, I checked. Yup, Cartoon Network. :)

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Post by seaborgium » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:20 am

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:01 am
So basically it's reading so far between the lines that you start seeing 23s in everything.
I told you my exact thought process; did it read as that unnecessarily detail-oriented to you?

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:39 am

seaborgium wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:20 am
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:01 am
So basically it's reading so far between the lines that you start seeing 23s in everything.
I told you my exact thought process; did it read as that unnecessarily detail-oriented to you?
YES!
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Post by seaborgium » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:29 am

And yet somehow I'm 21/27 on FJ this year.

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Post by QBall » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:44 am

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:39 am
seaborgium wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:20 am
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:01 am
So basically it's reading so far between the lines that you start seeing 23s in everything.
I told you my exact thought process; did it read as that unnecessarily detail-oriented to you?
YES!
So to sum up this recent exchange and apparently this entire thread:
TenPoundHammer wrote: WLT [blank]
Some helpful boardie wrote: *explanation*
TenPoundHammer wrote: TL;DR
Lather, rinse, repeat.

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Post by alietr » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:10 am

QBall wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:44 am
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

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Post by QBall » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:00 pm

alietr wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:10 am
QBall wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:44 am
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
Amen.

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:39 pm

So is that all the game really is? Making totally ex-recto WAGs from the vaguest of notions? Why not make every clue "It's a thing" at that point? Because you might still be able to eventually guess your way to "what is stroopwafel?" from that.
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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Post by seaborgium » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:45 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:39 pm
So is that all the game really is? Making totally ex-recto WAGs from the vaguest of notions?
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:39 am
YES!

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Post by MinnesotaMyron » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:47 pm

QBall wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:00 pm
alietr wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:10 am
QBall wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:44 am
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
Amen.
Yeah, he's been trolling this board (and it's predecessor) for years, which is why they finally started this thread for him, so he wouldn't clutter up the daily threads.

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Post by seaborgium » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:54 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:39 pm
So is that all the game really is? Making totally ex-recto WAGs from the vaguest of notions?
They don't call it "trivia" for nothing.

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