The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Post by jeff6286 » Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:28 am

That will be $3.80.

Sure, here’s $5.00.

*head explodes*

I guess he just wasn’t cut out for the high-stakes financial world that is McDonald’s. My God can you imagine if it had been $3.81?

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The easiest way for me to "see" that in my head is by thinking "$3.80 needs to have $1.20 added to it to get to $5.00." That's the type of math I've done thousands of times in my life. (I just did it this week, going out to eat, because I like the total plus tip to come out to a round number.)
But what if it's 379, 381, 479, 481, or 465? Can't shortcut those the same way, can you?
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Post by TenPoundHammer » Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:25 am

jeff6286 wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:28 am
That will be $3.80.

Sure, here’s $5.00.

*head explodes*

I guess he just wasn’t cut out for the high-stakes financial world that is McDonald’s. My God can you imagine if it had been $3.81?
This is why I don't work service.

That and I'd probably get in trouble for sucker punching the fourteenth customer today to ask for onion rings, which NO FREAKING MCDONALD'S ON THE PLANET HAS EVER SOLD WHY THE HELL DO YOU THINK WE HAVE ONION RINGS DO YOU SEE THEM ON OUR GODDAMN MENUBOARD ARRRRRRRGH.
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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)

Post by TenPoundHammer » Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:35 am

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Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:13 am
The easiest way for me to "see" that in my head is by thinking "$3.80 needs to have $1.20 added to it to get to $5.00." That's the type of math I've done thousands of times in my life. (I just did it this week, going out to eat, because I like the total plus tip to come out to a round number.)

But I know this will be of absolutely no help to TPH, so I'm not sure why I'm even bothering.
I literally always pay by card. If it weren't for the bus and the occasional thrift shop or yard sale that still clings to cash like the pathetic Luddites they are, then I would probably be able to go the rest of my life without seeing bills and coins again.

I think I should just give up on math. It's clear that I have pretty hardcore dyscalculia, and no amount of exercising seems to make it any better. If anything, trying to work it out just makes me panic even harder. Just like anytime I try anything new -- I'll make some progress in a new video game, but if I mess up or get stuck, then I get so frustrated that I can't even remember where the arrow keys are on the keyboard.
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Post by Saturnalia » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:42 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:25 am
onion rings, which NO FREAKING MCDONALD'S ON THE PLANET HAS EVER SOLD WHY THE HELL DO YOU THINK WE HAVE ONION RINGS DO YOU SEE THEM ON OUR GODDAMN MENUBOARD ARRRRRRRGH.
You could just tell them to go to H...ong Kong

http://mcdonalds.wikia.com/wiki/Onion_Rings

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Post by MarkBarrett » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:39 pm

You'll get another crack at Northeastern sometime and I know you can match Boston to Massachusetts.

#7712, aired 2018-03-06 DIRECT ME TO THE DIRECTIONAL UNIVERSITY $600: Head up Huntington; if you pass the YMCA of Greater Boston, you've gone too far

#7517, aired 2017-04-25 SIMILARLY NAMED SCHOOLS $400: Northwestern University is in Evanston, Illinois; this private school was founded in Boston in 1898

#7406, aired 2016-11-21 LOOKING AT COLLEGES $200: We can visit Emerson, Simmons & Northeastern in one trip, because all those schools are in this city

#6940, aired 2014-11-14 COLLEGE KNOWLEDGE $1000: One of these 2 "directional" schools is in Evanston, Illinois; the other, on Huntington Avenue in Boston

#4972, aired 2006-04-04 LAYING THINGS N TO N $2000: This university's address is 360 Huntington Avenue, Boston

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I must be doing something wrong as my Vassar & New York search did not turn up anything recent:


#4891, aired 2005-12-12 ACTORS' ALMA MATERS $1200: In the 1950s Jane Fonda attended this New York women's college

#3919, aired 2001-09-20 CHARITY BEGINS WITH BEER $400: Money from the golden nectar was used to start this women's liberal arts college in Poughkeepsie, New York

#3745, aired 2000-12-08 MS. PRESIDENT $800: In 1946 Sarah Blanding became the first woman president of this then 85-year-old New York women's college

#3634, aired 2000-05-25 COLLEGES & UNIVERSITIES $400: This Poughkeepsie, New York school was the first of the Seven Sisters to be coeducational

#1660, aired 1991-11-15 COLLEGES & UNIVERSITIES $200: In 1861 a Poughkeepsie, New York brewer founded this women's college; it's since become co-educational

#11, aired 1990-08-25 SPELLING $1000: The city in New York that's home to Vassar College

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Post by MarkBarrett » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:47 pm

N.Y. was the trick:


#7413, aired 2016-11-30 ANOTHER DAY OLDER $1000: Soon to give historic speeches, on June 10, 1931 this N.Y. gov. spoke to Vassar grads on how study is like boating

#7389, aired 2016-10-27 WOMEN OF NOTE $1000: In 1865 Maria Mitchell, the USA's first female professional astronomer, was made a professor at this N.Y. college

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Post by jeff6286 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:07 pm

Two weeks?! Far too long. Nothing like some computational math to bring this thread back to prominence…
seaborgium wrote:
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(13 + 14) x 15 = not even a WAG on my part either. I can't for the life of me see an easier way to do 27 x 15.
(Full disclosure: I spun my wheels on this one, and think it was pretty tough to expect someone to do on their feet.)

27 = 30 - 3
30 x 15 = 450
3 x 15 = 45
450 - 45 = 405

I know a four-step solution probably isn't your definition of "an easier way," but turning the multiplication of two two-digit numbers into a couple of "15 x 3"s is a big improvement.
For me it was breaking down 27x15 into (27x10)+(27x5). 5 happens to be half of 10 so it’s simply 270+(half of 270). 270+135=405.

Yes I had this in time to buzz in, no I didn’t expect anyone on the show to do so. I would put this at the upper boundary of computation Jeopardy! would ever ask you to do.

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Post by Linear Gnome » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:37 pm

jeff6286 wrote:
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For me it was breaking down 27x15 into (27x10)+(27x5). 5 happens to be half of 10 so it’s simply 270+(half of 270). 270+135=405.

Yes I had this in time to buzz in, no I didn’t expect anyone on the show to do so. I would put this at the upper boundary of computation Jeopardy! would ever ask you to do.
The way I did it was 27x30=810, then 810/2=405. I agree with jeff6286's comment.

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Post by MarkBarrett » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:48 pm

THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION ERA

She was disowned by the Quakers after marrying an Episcopalian upholsterer in 1773 & later took over his business

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The category gave you the century for a starting point of 1700s and even better 1770s & 1780s.

A lof the clue can be red inked:

She was disowned by the Quakers after marrying an Episcopalian upholsterer in 1773 & later took over his business

Most can use the category, pronoun, and job to make the flag seamstress connection. You did not and that's fine. The clue did contain sufficient information for the solve.

For you: Name a famous American woman of the late 1700s.

Anyone. Post you guessed Martha Washington and no one blinks an eye. Post you guessed Molly Pitcher and we raise an eyebrow. Post there was nothing in the clue. Grrr!

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:49 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:
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For you: Name a famous American woman of the late 1700s.
I spent five minutes thinking on this and my only answer was "Uhhhhhhhhhhh..... WERE there any famous women in that era? I literally can't think of a single one."
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Post by MarkBarrett » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:51 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:49 pm
MarkBarrett wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:48 pm
For you: Name a famous American woman of the late 1700s.
I spent five minutes thinking on this and my only answer was "Uhhhhhhhhhhh..... WERE there any famous women in that era? I literally can't think of a single one."
See above. And in the game thread Anne Hutchinson was provided as well though 1591-1643.

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Post by alietr » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:04 pm

I wouldn't have crossed out Quaker. That quickly got me to Pennsylvania/Philadelphia, and that (with upholsterer) got me to Ross with a high confidence level.

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:27 pm

I thought I was getting better at clue interpretation lately. Should I just chalk this up as a misfire?
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Post by econgator » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:51 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:27 pm
I thought I was getting better at clue interpretation lately. Should I just chalk this up as a misfire?
Happens to everyone.

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Post by twelvefootboy » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:00 pm

econgator wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:51 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:27 pm
I thought I was getting better at clue interpretation lately. Should I just chalk this up as a misfire?
Happens to everyone.
Yes. You know those two boys didn't tank it just to drop joke answers. And you know they've heard the story. I don't know who this Anne Hutchison chick is, so if she ever makes the cut, I'll go for the laugh line and it won't be a mis-fire for me.
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Post by TenPoundHammer » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:56 pm

Bumping since the corresponding thread was too:
(13 + 14) x 15
27 x 15

27 x 10 = 270

27 x 5 = uhhhhhhh.....
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Post by MarkBarrett » Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:07 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:56 pm
Bumping since the corresponding thread was too:
(13 + 14) x 15
27 x 15

27 x 10 = 270

27 x 5 = uhhhhhhh.....
One of the favorite games around here with the math teaching.

27 x 5 = ?

I'm most apt to do 30 x 5 = 150 and then I have to take away the extra 3 x 5 = 15 to get to the 135

The 3rd grade approach is 7 x 5 = 35, carry the 3, 2 x 5 = 10, with the plus 3 = 13 5

Some could eyeball 20 x 5 = 100 and 7 x 5 = 35 to add together to get the 135

and I still think you should be able to think in terms of money with 20 nickels are a dollar and 7 more nickels are 35 cents to get to $1.35

WoF it for a pretend wheel amount of $2700 and there are 5 Ts. That's $13,500.

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:18 am

MarkBarrett wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:07 pm
20 nickels are a dollar
I've known for ages that 5x20=100, but I somehow literally never thought to translate that to "20 nickels = 1 dollar". A lot of the time, I second-guess myself on math just because it "feels" like it should be different. Like 13-8 just never "feels" to me like it should be 5, so I have to check and recheck it a billion times.
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Post by twelvefootboy » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:14 am

MarkBarrett wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:07 pm

27 x 5 = ?

I'm most apt to do 30 x 5 = 150 and then I have to take away the extra 3 x 5 = 15 to get to the 135

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Mark, that is messy! My CPU hates subtraction. I always do my fivesy's by adding a nought and divisy by two:

27 x 5 = 270 / 2

It's a little messier with an odd digit leading if you don't have 930 or 730 divided by 2 in your frontal lobe and I resort to subtracting 10 from my new term (sorry, brain), splitting that one and adding 5:

93 x 5 = (930-10) / 2 ; and then add 5 (the parentheses are unhelpful)

I think I do use your algorithm for some operations ending in 9, but not to multiply by 5.

As an aside, I frequently have to convert inches to centimeters when I officiate track meets. The high school kids use imperial units and we use all metric in college. They have no idea where they want the bar or when to come in to the meet, or how far they just threw the rock.
As 2.5 cm ~ 1 inch, most of the time, it is easier for me to divide by 4 than to multiply by 2.5, but it goes both ways. It's kind of humorous because the coaches are reaching for a chart or their phone and think I'm some kind of cyborg for knowing 18" = 45 cm (180/4 for me, actually divide by two twice) on the fly :lol:
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