Monday, April 20, 2015 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

[Volante]

Still unanswered:

[WLT sidewalks on Obesity for $200? There are lots of things that a town could be built without that might factor into obesity. I almost WAGged "parks".

Key word was 'suburb.' Cities get sidewalks. Suburbs you drive in and out of; nothing tends to be within walking distance anyway, so no sidewalks.

[TenPoundHammer]

Still unanswered:

[WLT sidewalks on Obesity for $200? There are lots of things that a town could be built without that might factor into obesity. I almost WAGged "parks".

Key word was 'suburb.' Cities get sidewalks. Suburbs you drive in and out of; nothing tends to be within walking distance anyway, so no sidewalks.

So total clue lockout for a country boy like me.

[Volante]

Still unanswered:

[WLT sidewalks on Obesity for $200? There are lots of things that a town could be built without that might factor into obesity. I almost WAGged "parks".

Key word was 'suburb.' Cities get sidewalks. Suburbs you drive in and out of; nothing tends to be within walking distance anyway, so no sidewalks.

So total clue lockout for a country boy like me.

Precalled that...

[BigDaddyMatty]

If a clue wanted The Butler that title would be accepted without requiring "Lee Daniels'." Alex's response was fine.

No, not really, if only because that title was the end result of legal obstinacy on the part of Warner Bros. that forbade that, or any other, film from being called, simply, "The Butler." Its full, official and only truly correct title is, therefore, "Lee Daniels's The Butler." A better analogy is required, then.

And yet, on yesterday's Daytime J!, The Butler was accepted as correct without any further comment or clarification. Mark's analogy was entirely appropriate.

[debramc]

Still unanswered:

[WLT sidewalks on Obesity for $200? There are lots of things that a town could be built without that might factor into obesity. I almost WAGged "parks".

Key word was 'suburb.' Cities get sidewalks. Suburbs you drive in and out of; nothing tends to be within walking distance anyway, so no sidewalks.

So total clue lockout for a country boy like me.

Plus there was something in there about strolling. Where do you stroll? The sidewalk. That's how I got it.

[bpmod]

Still unanswered:

[WLT sidewalks on Obesity for $200? There are lots of things that a town could be built without that might factor into obesity. I almost WAGged "parks".

Key word was 'suburb.' Cities get sidewalks. Suburbs you drive in and out of; nothing tends to be within walking distance anyway, so no sidewalks.

So total clue lockout for a country boy like me.

Plus there was something in there about strolling. Where do you stroll? The sidewalk. That's how I got it.

Haven't you ever taken a stroll in the park?

Brian

[BigDaddyMatty]

To put it another way, let's assume per the historical 50% FJ! get rate that each of the eight possible FJ! R/W outcomes is equally likely.

This is not a valid assumption because it does not take into consideration the fact that the events are not independent--there are many RRR's on easy clues and WWW's on hard clues. This is why the two most common outcomes almost every season are WWW and RRR (this season is a bit of an outlier with WWW far outpacing all others so far, followed by RWW). Look at the FJ! Round statistics on the archive for more details.

Good point. I don't know that it affects the overall analysis, but it's definitely a factor I neglected to consider.

[Golf]

Really, dude? That is so unnecessary and so out of place here.

It was low hanging fruit started by someone deserving of the rebuttal.

There's no need to be rude or insult Boardies, we are all learning, some faster than others. Please be kind, Golf!

If it were literally any other boardie, I would not have responded in this way.


Honestly, I just need to add the poster to my ignore list. Certainly won't miss any discussion value. Update - just did so.

And I like the other mnemonics posted regarding Bangui and Banjui, that's what this board should be about!

[bleezy]

The sidewalk clue isn't biased against anyone. I didn't live in a neighborhood with sidewalks until I was 28 (last year) and I got the clue instantly.

Edit: Buts parks is still an OK guess.

[boson]

Great post goatman! Before wikipedia-ing Wolfe I thought the Plains of Abraham were somewhere in the Biblical world.

I knew about the Plains of Abraham from the song Acadian Driftwood by The Band

The Plains of Abraham is something like the Canadian Bunker Hill

When I was in Québec this summer, Lady Gaga was playing on the Plains of Abraham. Montcalm and Wolfe have been surpassed.

[zakharov]

Still unanswered:

[WLT sidewalks on Obesity for $200? There are lots of things that a town could be built without that might factor into obesity. I almost WAGged "parks".

"Parks" would have been reasonable, but it was wrong. Sidewalks are more associated with walking. It's in the name and everything. Not sure what you're looking for.

[Vermonter]

Bangui's one of the capitals I've managed a mnemonic that sticks: car goes bang.

When I was memorizing capitals at the not-hormonal age of 18, "bang in the car" was mine

[willwoodlen]

Regarding the BMS discussion: if there are two very famous people with the same surname and the same line of work, the BMS instruction should always be given. Not so important if the two are very different, as in John and Liv Tyler or Warren and Tonya Harding. As others have pointed out, the problem is inconsistency over time. One of the worst BMS miscarriages (perhaps discussed at the time but I wasn't on the J board then) occurred when a contestant who'd been doing quite nicely answered "Who is Tallchief?" and Alex gave a BMS instruction. The contestant couldn't come up with "Maria," and she was negged, with AT providing a feeble justification based on Maria Tallchief's having a sister who, whatever her accomplishments, was ridiculously obscure. The incident seemed to take the wind out of the contestant, who, if I remember correctly, remained silent for the rest of the game. Given this example, insisting on a specific Adams or Roosevelt seems only fair.

[opusthepenguin]

Plus there was something in there about strolling. Where do you stroll? The sidewalk. That's how I got it.

Can we at least agree that getting to the correct response was no walk in the park?

[This Is Kirk!]

Still unanswered:

[WLT sidewalks on Obesity for $200? There are lots of things that a town could be built without that might factor into obesity. I almost WAGged "parks".

"Parks" would have been reasonable

I don't think it is. Are there really municipalities of a decent size (in the U.S.) that DON'T have parks?

[BigDaddyMatty]

Bangui's one of the capitals I've managed a mnemonic that sticks: car goes bang.

When I was memorizing capitals at the not-hormonal age of 18, "bang in the car" was mine

Music fans of a certain age may appreciate my mnemonic for the other capital being discussed in this thread:
To the extreme, I rock The Gambia like a Banjul
Light up the stage and wax a chump like a candle

[seaborgium]

I came up with the phrase "banned you from gambling" to keep Banjul with Gambia in my mind, and never had to do anything for Bangui and C.A.R.

It seemed to me like Alex had Bangui connected to a multi-word, geographically named African country, and just didn't pull up the right one. If he still would have gone TDD after getting that right, that's a $6,400 swing right there, but that still wouldn't have saved him, keeping the rest of the game the same.

Incidentally, I keep Equatorial Guinea connected with Malabo by going Malabo -> "middle of" -> equator, but I realized while writing this that "middle of" probably could steer someone wrongly to "central."

[stephanie]

Was quite sad to see Alex's run end, but I'm glad he will make it into the TOC.

Kudos to Alex on a great run that garnered a lot of attention for him and the show! I hope to meet him at O'Briens when he is back in the LA area for the ToC.

But I knew that he would lose when I saw his red shirt. Any long time tv viewer knows that red shirts get killed. Call it Roddenberry's Law since it happened so frequently on Star Trek.

So true, isn't it? I wonder what other (if any, I'm going to assume there have been a few) instances on Jeopardy! there have been where a player (esp. one who has won a game or two) suddenly wears a red shirt and loses. I'm curious.

(PS: OT: I like your avatar)

[whoisalexjacob]

It seemed to me like Alex had Bangui connected to a multi-word, geographically named African country, and just didn't pull up the right one.

Yep, I think you nailed it. Horrifying moment

[seaborgium]

Kudos to Alex on a great run that garnered a lot of attention for him and the show! I hope to meet him at O'Briens when he is back in the LA area for the ToC.

But I knew that he would lose when I saw his red shirt. Any long time tv viewer knows that red shirts get killed. Call it Roddenberry's Law since it happened so frequently on Star Trek.

So true, isn't it? I wonder what other (if any, I'm going to assume there have been a few) instances on Jeopardy! there have been where a player (esp. one who has won a game or two) suddenly wears a red shirt and loses. I'm curious.

(PS: OT: I like your avatar)

I wore a red shirt in my ToC semifinal. I should have lost, for what it's worth.