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Monday, November 30, 2015 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Archivists » Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:30 am

Game Recap for Show #7181, 2015-11-30

CONTESTANTS
Joyce Hshieh, an actress and writer from Chicago, Illinois
Elaine Baker, a home health caregiver from Garland, Texas
Rob Russell, a tutoring and testing director from Johnson City, Tennessee (whose 2-day cash winnings total $43,600)

OPENING REMARKS
Alex: Thank you, Johnny. And thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Nice to have you with us once again. As impressive as Rob has been in his two previous appearances on Jeopardy!, there's no guarantee that he will be equally good today, because as those of you who watch us on a regular basis know, an important determining factor is the categories. You hit your categories, your subjects, you're gonna do better. And I say that as encouragement to our newcomers, Joyce and Elaine. Good luck to all three. Here we go. Now let's find out what the categories are...

JEOPARDY! ROUND CATEGORIES
KIDNAPPING (4/4)
NEW TOURIST SLOGANS FOR ISLANDS? (5/5)
PHOTOGRAPHY (3/5, including 1 missed Daily Double)
THAT ONE SONG (3/5)
MIDDLE "D" (5/5) (Alex: The "D" coming up in the middle of each correct response.)
THE J. GUYS BAND (2/2)

THE RIGHTS & THE WRONGS
Elaine: 10 R (including 1 rebound), 3 W (including 1 DD)
Joyce: 7 R, 2 W
Rob: 5 R (including 1 rebound), 1 W

Clues revealed: 26
Triple Stumpers: 3
Jeopardy! Round Potential Lach Trash: $2,800



SCORES AT THE FIRST BREAK
Joyce: $1,000
Elaine: $600
Rob: -$200

CONTESTANT INTERVIEWS



Alex: Joyce Hshieh is an actress and writer from Chicago who is obviously a big Harry Potter fan.

Joyce: Yes. [Chuckles]

Alex: Right?

Joyce: Um, I once threw a party where I transformed my house into Hogwarts. Um, it was very elaborate. The basement was the Chamber of Secrets. The living room was the Gryffindor Common Room. The dining room was the Great Hall. Um--

Alex: Did you have any contests? Like, what is it, the quidditch?

Joyce: [Laughs] No, we didn't play quidditch, but I--I tried to make my backyard a little bit like a quidditch pitch.

Alex: Oh, how exciting. That's wonderful. Invite me to your next party.

Joyce: [Chuckles] Okay.




Alex: Elaine Baker is a home health caregiver...

Elaine: Mm-hmm.

Alex: ...from Texas.

Elaine: Mm-hmm.

Alex: I dream a lot, and I try to figure out what my dreams mean. You once, I understand, had a dream about me that somebody had to explain the meaning of it to you.

Elaine: Mm, yes, I actually, frequently, used to dream that I saw you sitting in a hallway on the floor, kind of sad. So I went to you and hugged you very, very gently and tenderly. And my brother Ron, who is very good at interpreting things, said it meant that I was embracing my inner intellect. But I just think you're really handsome. I mean... [Laughs]

[Laughter]

Elaine: I--I think that's what...

Alex: Thank you. You might've been just trying to sober me up.




Alex: Rob Russell is our champion, ladies and gentlemen. [Sighs] Uh, speaking of drinking, your dad used to take you to bars when you were a teenager. What was all that about?

Rob: Yes, sir, he did. Uh, but it didn't have to do with drinking--directly, at least. Um, I was a guitar--well, I still am--a guitar player. And to, uh, get gigs at the local joints, which, uh, that was really... I wasn't very good at any other jobs that I had. I got fired as a supermarket bagger. So, um, he decided--

[Laughter]

Alex: Just couldn't master the technique. The cans go here.

Rob: [Laughing] Exactly.

Alex: We put the bread over here.

Rob: Exactly. I couldn't do it. So dad, uh, would--would take me to try out for various bands at--at local bars.

Alex: Okay.

Rob: And I got in.

Alex: Thanks--thanks for the explanation.

[Laughs]

JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
Elaine found the Daily Double on the 16th clue. Rob was in the hole with -$200, Elaine had $1,200, and Joyce was at $1,000. Elaine wagered $300.

PHOTOGRAPHY $800: There's a camera part in this brand that turns a smartphoneful of vacation photos into a keepsake book
(Elaine: I don't know. What is...
(Alex: Yeah.)
(Elaine: iPhone?)

TRIPLE STUMPERS IN THE JEOPARDY! ROUND
THAT ONE SONG $800: 1994 Top 10 hit for Melissa Etheridge

THAT ONE SONG $1000: Pink sang "Blow Me" this
(Rob: What is A Kiss?)
(Elaine: What is One Kiss?)
(Joyce: What is One Last Kiss Goodbye?)

PHOTOGRAPHY $1000: Using his iPhone, Robert Clark created a visual diary of the West Bank for a 2013 issue of this magazine

SCORES AT THE END OF THE JEOPARDY! ROUND
Elaine: $2,900
Joyce: $2,800
Rob: $1,800

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DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND CATEGORIES
KID, NAPPING (5/5)
MOVIE ROMANCES (3/5)
PHYSICISTS (2/5, including 1 missed Daily Double)
WORDS THAT SHOULD RHYME (3/4, including 1 missed Daily Double) (Alex: ...or you think should rhyme. I'll give you example--silo and kilo. You think they should rhyme, but they don't.)
2 FOR THE LITERARY TAKING (3/5)
THE NATIONAL STATUARY HALL COLLECTION (1/1)

THE RIGHTS & THE WRONGS
Joyce: 8 R, 2 W (including 1 DD)
Rob: 6 R (including 1 rebound), 4 W (including 1 DD)
Elaine: 3 R, 1 W

Clues revealed: 25
Triple Stumpers: 6
Double Jeopardy! Round Potential Lach Trash: $10,000



FIRST DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
Joyce snagged the next Daily Double on the 5th clue. Rob had $600, Elaine had $2,900, and Joyce was at $4,400. Joyce wagered $2,000.

PHYSICISTS $1600: In the 18th c., this physicist & instrument maker found that the boiling point of liquids varies with air pressure
(Joyce: Who is Kelvin?)
...
(Alex: So you lost a bit. You're in second place. Go again. Take a deep breath.)
[Joyce chuckles.]
(Alex: That's it. Relax. Go.)

SECOND DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
It was Rob who snatched up the last Daily Double of the game on the 24th clue. Rob had $4,600, Elaine had $4,100, and Joyce was at $4,800. Rob wagered $2,000.

WORDS THAT SHOULD RHYME $1600: A false vision in a desert & the leaves of a plant
(Rob: What is a [*] and foilage?)
(Alex: Oh, Rob, "[*]" is correct, but your mispronunciation of "[**]" is enough for our judges to rule against you, so it's gonna cost you. But pick again. We're running out of time.)

TRIPLE STUMPERS IN THE DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND
PHYSICISTS $1200: Ernest Rutherford found that the volume of an atom was made up mostly of this
(Rob: What is its nucleus?)

PHYSICISTS $2000: This quantum theorist has more than 80 institutes named for him in Germany

2 FOR THE LITERARY TAKING $1200: A chapter in this fantasy volume is titled "The Taming of Smeagol"
(Joyce: Uh... what is The Hobbit?)
(Rob: What is The Lord of the Rings?)
(Alex: Be more specific.)
(Rob: What is The Return of the King?)

2 FOR THE LITERARY TAKING $2000: First names of the fairy tale-collecting Grimm Brothers

MOVIE ROMANCES $1600: This 2014 movie was a remake of the 1981 Brooke Shields movie of the same name

MOVIE ROMANCES $2000: Patrick Dempsey realizes Michelle Monaghan is his soulmate in this film whose title sounds like a wedding attendant
(Rob: What is The Bridesmaid?)

SCORES ENTERING FINAL JEOPARDY!
Joyce: $4,800
Elaine: $4,100
Rob: $3,000

FINAL JEOPARDY! CATEGORY
U.S. HISTORY

VENUSIAN MONOLOGUES/MARTIAN CHRONICLES
Four-fifths for first place.
Joyce: Wager $3,401 to cover Elaine.
Elaine: You're faced with a legitimate choice in strategy. You can either choose to cover Rob, hoping that you give the correct response and Joyce doesn't, in which case you'll want to wager $1,901 to cover Rob's doubled score, but no more than $2,700 if you want to top Joyce on a Triple Stumper; or bet up to $1,099 and win if both Joyce and Rob miss Final.
Rob: If you think Elaine is going to wager to cover you, try wagering less than $800 to beat Joyce and Elaine on the Triple Stumper; or, if you think Elaine is going to wager small in hopes of a Triple Stumper, wager between $1,101 (venusian, to top a $0 wager by Elaine) and $3,000 (martian, which may win in some cases but may also risk dropping you from second to third place if you get Final wrong).

FINAL JEOPARDY! CLUE
It's the only odd-numbered year in which a U.S. presidential election has been held

FINAL SCORES
Rob: $3,000 - $2,999 = $1 (What is 1797 1787) (3rd place)
Elaine: $4,100 - $701 = $3,399 (What is 1841) (2nd place)
Joyce: $4,800 + $3,401 = $8,201 (What is 1789) (New champion: $8,201)
(Alex: [To Joyce] George Washington directly elected by the Electoral College.)

Total Potential Lach Trash: $12,800

GAME DYNAMICS
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CORYAT SCORES
Joyce: $6,800, 15 R, 4 W (including 1 DD)
Rob: $5,000, 11 R, 5 W (including 1 DD)
Elaine: $4,400, 13 R, 4 W (including 1 DD)
Combined Coryat: $16,200

BATTING AVERAGES
Joyce: 16/59 = .271
Elaine: 13/59 = .220
Rob: 11/59 = .186
Team: 40/63 = .635

MISCELLANEOUS INTERESTING CLUES
MIDDLE "D" $400: It's the sea creature seen here

THAT ONE SONG $600: "One Of These Nights" is on their "Greatest Hits"
(Elaine: Uh, who are The Doobie Brothers?)

THE J. GUYS BAND $400: The 150 years of ads from the J. Walter Thompson agency include ads for Lifebuoy, this type of home product
(Joyce: Uh, what is a... a life saver?)

PHOTOGRAPHY $400: In 1975, Steve Sasson created the world's first digital camera for this Rochester, New York company

NEW TOURIST SLOGANS FOR ISLANDS? $800: "The U.K. lost its 99-year lease on us! Opened under new management in 1997!"
(Alex: Right, with a minute to go.)

KIDNAPPING $1000: In the 3rd century Balbinus & Pupienus, joint emperors of Rome, were kidnapped & killed by this royal guard
[The end-of-the-round signal sounds.]

KID, NAPPING $400: Toulouse-Lautrec painted a different kind of nightlife in "The Bed", now seen at this city's Orsay Museum

KID, NAPPING $800: The lucky snoozers here are being watched by these, also a name for a volunteer group begun in 1979

KID, NAPPING $1200: A 19th century painting is titled after this Victor Hugo character--look, it's baby Cosette!

KID, NAPPING $1600: Visions of sugar plums are dancing in the heads of the Christmas hopefuls drawn by this Harper's Weekly cartoonist

KID, NAPPING $2000: "King of Rome" was a titled conferred on this man's only son, born in 1811

MOVIE ROMANCES $1200: (Kelly of the Clue Crew reports from Lincoln Center in New York.) Cher meets Nicolas Cage by the fountain at Lincoln Center, honoring a promise to go to the opera with him in this romantic comedy

WORDS THAT SHOULD RHYME $800: An adjective describing the sun & a specialist on an academic subject
(Alex: With less than a minute now.)

WORDS THAT SHOULD RHYME $1200: Money for finding something lost & a person who looks after passengers on a ship
(Elaine: Uh... what is... [Beep] A bur--)

THE NATIONAL STATUARY HALL COLLECTION $400: Samuel Adams is seen here representing this state
[The end-of-round signal sounds.]

CORRECT RESPONSES
Shutterfly
"I'm the Only One"
One Last Kiss
National Geographic
Fahrenheit
mirage & foliage
empty space
Max Planck
The Two Towers
Jacob & Wilhelm
Endless Love
Made of Honor
1789
a swordfish
the Eagles
(a bar of) soap
Kodak
Hong Kong
the Praetorian guard
Paris
guardian angels
Fantine
Thomas Nast
Napoléon
Moonstruck
solar & scholar
reward & steward
Massachusetts

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Post by theFJguy » Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:38 am

U.S. History

It's the only odd-numbered year in which a U.S. presidential election has been held.
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What is 1789? Rob said 1787 with 1797 crossed out; Elaine said 1841.
Rob Russell: $3,000-$2,999=$1

Elaine Bakre: $4,100-$701=$3,399

Joyce Hshieh: $4,800+$3,401=$8,201
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Re: Monday, November 30, 2015 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by JayK33 » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:04 pm

Wow, that was rough. The leader going into FJ with only $4,800. The lowest scoring game in a very long time, if I'm not mistaken.

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Post by JonathanHenke » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:07 pm

Good god there were a lot of unrevealed clues.

I was hoping to see the rest of the J.-name questions in the J round (people who part their names on the left, starting with a J. initial), since my partner's name follows that rule.
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Post by grindcore » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:31 pm

Brutal for Rob on that DD. You could say the judges really "foiled" him.

Did Joyce seem a little nervous or was it just me? Great poker face during the FJ reveal though. 8-)

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:30 pm

Ugh, what a draggy game. 9 clues left behind?!

WLT Paris at $400?

All but Sicily in Islands.

Lach Trash: Two Towers, Shutterfly.

I thought "Two Gentleman of Verona" was undervalued at $400.

Negging "foilage" was a BS call IMO. That's a dialectal pronunciation along the lines of "nucular", and I really doubt they've ever negged that.

4/4 on the Should Rhyme.

Okay, maybe it was after a presidential death. FDR was... 1940 something. JFK was 1961 or 1963, I forget. Lincoln? No. Oh, maybe all the way back to the start. 17. 17. When the HELL did Washington become president? 17. 17. Screw it, quit going down that track, it's wrong anyway. What is eleventy zillion?
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Post by OSXpert » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:31 pm

grindcore wrote:Brutal for Rob on that DD. You could say the judges really "foiled" him.
spoilage alert!

I guessed 1777 but had no idea.

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Post by Abraxas » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:37 pm

Congrats to Joyce on her win. When Elaine and Joyce were introduced, I thought of the actress Elaine Joyce. I had 36 correct responses including four triple stumpers: "I'm the Only One", Shutterfly, empty space, and mirage/foliage. I also got FJ.

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Post by groovitude » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:38 pm

Although this game was a little rough (both personally and on-screen), I'm ecstatic. I got FJ! tonight... which marks the first get I have since "Mary Poppins" the Thursday before the TOC. :shock: I've missed a few episodes, but at least I feel like the curse is lifted from my shoulders.

Total Coryats of $7600 (27 correct / 5 wrong / 10 clams), substantially lowered by missing the last three questions of the "Physicists" round. Oof. Lach Trash on "I'm the Only One," The Two Towers, the Shutterfly DD, and the foilage DD (assuming I can pronounce it).

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▪ I way overthought the "Guardian Angels" clue.
▪ I clammed the entire Kidnapping category. I guess the Lindbergh baby was too easy? I thought that was near-impossible, especially compared to, say, Photography, which I nearly ran while knowing next to nothing about photography.
▪ Anyone else neg on Planck with Heisenberg?

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Post by LHamilton » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:44 pm

Loved that the winner was genuinely happy. That was a nice moment.

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Post by groovitude » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:46 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:I thought "Two Gentleman of Verona" was undervalued at $400.
Two Gentlemen of Verona and The Merry Wives of Windsor are the only two Shakespeare titles that indirectly reference multiple people, and "Valentine" is a traditionally a man's name.
TenPoundHammer wrote:Negging "foilage" was a BS call IMO. That's a dialectal pronunciation along the lines of "nucular", and I really doubt they've ever negged that.
Agreed.
TenPoundHammer wrote:Okay, maybe it was after a presidential death. FDR was... 1940 something. JFK was 1961 or 1963, I forget. Lincoln? No. Oh, maybe all the way back to the start. 17. 17. When the HELL did Washington become president? 17. 17. Screw it, quit going down that track, it's wrong anyway. What is eleventy zillion?
I also started by thinking of presidential vacancies before remembering the rules of succession have always been in place. It therefore had to be the year the Constitution took effect, 1789.

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Post by JonathanHenke » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:54 pm

groovitude wrote:Two Gentlemen of Verona and The Merry Wives of Windsor are the only two Shakespeare titles that indirectly reference multiple people, and "Valentine" is a traditionally a man's name.
There's also "Two Noble Kinsmen", which is generally attributed to Shakespeare & John Fletcher. But it wasn't in the First Folio and is pretty obscure.

But those are the only ones with the Word "Two" in the title. (Unless you count "Henry IV, Part II" or "Henry VI, Part II". Or "Richard II".)
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Post by Jaksiel » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:58 pm

Judges: "Come to My Window" acceptable for the Melissa Etheridge clue? I think all the clue asked for was a hit of hers from 1994.

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Post by silverscreentest » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:59 pm

groovitude wrote:▪ Anyone else neg on Planck with Heisenberg?
I guess you were uncertain on principle.
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Post by TenPoundHammer » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:01 pm

groovitude wrote:
TenPoundHammer wrote:I thought "Two Gentleman of Verona" was undervalued at $400.
Two Gentlemen of Verona and The Merry Wives of Windsor are the only two Shakespeare titles that indirectly reference multiple people, and "Valentine" is a traditionally a man's name.
Notwithstanding my having never come across anyone named Valentine, I thought the clue was only slightly undervalued. Verona and Windsor are recognizable to me as Shakespeare plays, but I usually expect the super-Pavlovians for him in the top box: R&J, Macbeth, Hamlet, etc.

Certainly not as bad as when they had Coriolanus in the top box, I'll admit.
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Post by TenPoundHammer » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:02 pm

Jaksiel wrote:Judges: "Come to My Window" acceptable for the Melissa Etheridge clue? I think all the clue asked for was a hit of hers from 1994.
The category suggested song titles with "one" in them, which I didn't pick up on until after the fact. But given that "One" wasn't in quotes and Alex didn't dictate as such, I think that might be a "neg, then overturn" case.
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Post by BennyBXB » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:08 pm

If I can kvetch: what the fork has happened the last three or four games? So many unrevealed clues, negs, premature buzzes...jeez. Is it the players? Is it the post-Tournament crash of excitement? I don't know. On a more positive note, I did insta-get Final for the first time in...weeks, so now I can feel smart for the evening.
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Post by mfc248 » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:09 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Jaksiel wrote:Judges: "Come to My Window" acceptable for the Melissa Etheridge clue? I think all the clue asked for was a hit of hers from 1994.
The category suggested song titles with "one" in them, which I didn't pick up on until after the fact. But given that "One" wasn't in quotes and Alex didn't dictate as such, I think that might be a "neg, then overturn" case.
Having negged the same way, I checked Wikipedia. The hope for the overturn would be that the clue, in its entirety, read "1994 Top 10 hit for Melissa Etheridge." "Come to My Window" only reached no. 25 on the Hot 100, but did peak at number four on the Hot Adult Contemporary chart.

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Post by goatman » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:15 pm

42 R, instaget FJ. Understandable to get 1787 misremembering similar dates, which was the year of Constitutional Convention of the United States, when Washington presided & Madison drafted.
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Safe to say with scores <5k at FJ that was a win from the 4th podium for goats. :D
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