Wednesday, October 26, 2011 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Re: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 Game Recap & Disc (SPOILERS)

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After the DJ today, I have to share a story from my daughter's childhood. This would have been about 20 years ago, my daughter was no older than 10. My sister and I watched Jeopardy faithfully every night (still do), and we call out the answers (first one with the right question "wins"). There was a Final Jeopardy that was stumping us both, and my daughter shouted out, "F. Scott Fitzgerald!" We both stared at her as the correct response was indeed, F. Scott Fitzgerald. For a while I thought I had a genius on my hands, until she confessed she had seen an early airing at the babysitter's, and happened to remember the FJ.

I've been a lot more humble about my Jeopardy prowess ever since. And I almost always miss the Fitzgerald questions. I did today, Nathanael West being the only author who came to mind.

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Re: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 Game Recap & Disc (SPOILERS)

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MarkBarrett wrote:I made up for it by guessing the right vampire with Pattinson. Daniel Craig must have had a hint in the wording I missed? I had no idea who to guess on that one on a quick reading for the first clue in the category.
I don't recall anything from the clue except "blond bond" (or maybe "blond bonds"). That led right to Daniel Craig.

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Re: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 Game Recap & Disc (SPOILERS)

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This was a fun but harrowing game. Ryan and I sat next to each other in the audience for Monday's game's taping and commiserated about our anxiety prior to the show. I felt like the show was way tighter than the final scores pre-FJ indicated. Metal detector seems so obvious in retrospect but my mind just didn't want to go there on what seemed like a history question. I got stuck on "divining rod" which I thought was a way sexier answer but ultimately decided that it didn't make sense and that metal detector was better. I was also surprise I negged on "argumentative." After seeing court room dramas the "objection, argumentatives" stuck in my brain way better than the term "hostile witness." I got lucky with the Boston Globe one, I was coin flipping in my mind between that and Christian Science Monitor, the Herald wasn't on the radar. I was honestly shocked I ran the Singers category. My friends have poked fun at me about how little I know about music and I wouldn't have believed that I would get all 5 right. Henley was a coin flip with Glenn Frey.

I arrived at Fitzgerald mostly by process of elimination. 20s American authors had me with Fitzgerald and Hemingway. Hemingway didn't die of a heart attack. Fitzgerald wrote about Long Island, was from the Mid-Atlantic and was a drinking WASP. That's consistent with Princeton alumni. So I went with him.

I totally forgot my clapping gaff until I saw it. Was way too caught up in the moment for it to register.

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MarkBarrett wrote:Daniel Craig must have had a hint in the wording I missed? I had no idea who to guess on that one on a quick reading for the first clue in the category.
That it was a blonde, I guess? Honestly, I thought they were looking for a Bond Girl the way they worded it.

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I sumit that one learned in the law of forms pleading may have queried 'what is trespass to chattel' or even 'trespass on the case' as regards the poaching clue. Or, heaven forefend, the dreaded ' trespass vi et armis' . BMS on 'trespass quare clausum fregit'?
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Re: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 Game Recap & Disc (SPOILERS)

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bigbor wrote:I was also surprise I negged on "argumentative." After seeing court room dramas the "objection, argumentatives" stuck in my brain way better than the term "hostile witness."
Not a lawyer, but I wasn't surprised at the neg. "Argumentative" has to do with the content of question the attorney asks the witness, not the witness himself.

Regardless, another well-played game. Congrats!

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Re: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 Game Recap & Disc (SPOILERS)

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yeah, great game by both gabor and ryan. congrats to you both. FJ was a good one for me, but i'm a big fitzgerald fan. i don't think he's from the mid-atlantic, though—minnesota is shouting at me from the back of my brain.
econgator wrote:That it was a blonde, I guess? Honestly, I thought they were looking for a Bond Girl the way they worded it.
the wording was "blond bond-shell", so it has to be a male. (well, that and the category "dreamboats" suggests men rather than women.) a bond girl would be blonde, not blond. also, people usually don't talk about a woman's well-defined pectoral muscles, but we're getting close to territory i'd rather avoid.
StevenH wrote:Gabor is a demon on the buzzer and has a very wide knowledge base. I am glad that I haven't had to go up against him.
i was thinking the same thing, actually. i've been really impressed.

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Re: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 Game Recap & Disc (SPOILERS)

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Well, that was so fun to watch. I'm relieved that I didn't have parsley in my teeth or something else embarrassing.

Here are my fairly disjointed thoughts:

Congrats again, Gabor, on a great game. I didn't realize how streaky the game was until tonight, even though Alex mentioned something about it after the game.

Metal detector was not obvious at all to me, either, and I doubt I would have come up with it in time. For some reason, I thought that metal detectors only worked on iron.

The Boston Globe answer was edited to make it look like a much faster buzz in by Gabor. He was lightning fast the whole game, but I distinctly remember having a few seconds on that clue to decide whether or not to guess Boston Globe. I ultimately decided to stick with my strategy of not guessing on a high value clue, not even if I had it down to a 50/50. I also held back on the coin flip with Henley and Frey. Kudos to Gabor for having the guts to buzz in on both.

The Zen strategy of buzzing worked really well for the most part. But when Gabor got going on his streaks, I could feel my mental edge slipping some. I was relieved to get it back at all.

From my perspective on stage and watching tonight at home, FJ looked like an instaget for both of my opponents. It took me at least the first 15 seconds to stop focusing on Princeton. After I realized that Einstein was most definitely alive through WWII, I was able to consider authors that died young and Fitzgerald seemed the obvious choice for the time period. I was lucky to have enough time to scribble in my response.

Gabor, I've been wanting to ask if the amount of time it took me to come up with my FJ wager gave you any idea that you might be able to get away with betting nothing. Based on your aggressive betting earlier, I figured there was no way you would bet less than 4801. Based on that, I figured that I should bet between 2400 and 6000 to both preserve my second place position and win in case of a Gabor miss. It wasn't until after the taping that I was convinced by someone on this board that I should have bet it all: put $1000 at risk to possibly gain $6000 extra dollars in a win. I'm still a little ambivalent about that strategy in this case because I didn't feel tremendously confident in the category.

During the airing, my friend texted to say, "You lived in Iowa. How embarrassing." He was kidding around, but he's right. That one still stings a little. My Iowa friends are going to disown me. I might have been a little more bold on the Daily Double if I hadn't been stung on the previous question. Geography is one of my stronger categories. At the time, 4000 seemed like a good balance between betting aggressively, but staying within striking distance given the number of clues left on the board. If there were only a couple of clues left, I would have bet it all. (I need to go back to see how much money was left on the board to decide what the optimal bet would have been under the circumstances.)

My consolation prize after the game was getting to talk for a minute with Bob Harris and Jerome Vered just outside of the green room while they filed out of the audience. They stuck around after the ribbon cutting for the Hall of Fame. I'm not sure where Brad Rutter went.

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jpahk wrote:The wording was "blond bond-shell", so it has to be a male. (well, that and the category "dreamboats" suggests men rather than women.) a bond girl would be blonde, not blond. also, people usually don't talk about a woman's well-defined pectoral muscles, but we're getting close to territory i'd rather avoid.
Ahhhh. I was in the kitchen, so I didn't catch the spelling. But yeah, the whole "pectorals" thing should have pointed me in the right direction.

And yes, F. Scott is from St. Paul, MN, although it seems he spent much of his early years in NY and NJ.

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Add me to the list of those that were completely lost on the Daniel Craig clue. With no excuse of being in the kitchen, my brain totally read and heard "blond bombshell", and was thinking it would be someone like Scarlett Johansson, but then when they got to the part about the shoulders & pecs, I was totally confused. Not until it was discussed here did I go back and re-watch the clue to see the word "Bond-shell" that I had overlooked before.

I also missed out on Javier Bardem, because upon seeing "Spanish heartthrob", I immediately thought of Antonio Banderas, and even though I knew he wasn't married to Penelope Cruz, I couldn't get my mind to move off of him fast enough to get to the correct answer. I almost got similarly stuck on the final clue of the game, as the use of "Interview with a Vampire" had me trying to decide between Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise, but luckily I quickly realized that a magazine wouldn't name an article after a nearly 20 year old movie, and was just able to pull out Robert Pattinson's name before the time's up signal.

I think it may have been discussed the other day, but does anyone know the exact tape date of this episode? The wildfires in Texas must have just happened when the show was recorded, and I believe that is the 3rd or 4th example we've noticed this season of a clue based on really, really current events.

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Ryan wrote:Well, that was so fun to watch. I'm relieved that I didn't have parsley in my teeth or something else embarrassing.

Here are my fairly disjointed thoughts:

Congrats again, Gabor, on a great game. I didn't realize how streaky the game was until tonight, even though Alex mentioned something about it after the game.

Metal detector was not obvious at all to me, either, and I doubt I would have come up with it in time. For some reason, I thought that metal detectors only worked on iron.

The Boston Globe answer was edited to make it look like a much faster buzz in by Gabor. He was lightning fast the whole game, but I distinctly remember having a few seconds on that clue to decide whether or not to guess Boston Globe. I ultimately decided to stick with my strategy of not guessing on a high value clue, not even if I had it down to a 50/50. I also held back on the coin flip with Henley and Frey. Kudos to Gabor for having the guts to buzz in on both.

The Zen strategy of buzzing worked really well for the most part. But when Gabor got going on his streaks, I could feel my mental edge slipping some. I was relieved to get it back at all.

From my perspective on stage and watching tonight at home, FJ looked like an instaget for both of my opponents. It took me at least the first 15 seconds to stop focusing on Princeton. After I realized that Einstein was most definitely alive through WWII, I was able to consider authors that died young and Fitzgerald seemed the obvious choice for the time period. I was lucky to have enough time to scribble in my response.

Gabor, I've been wanting to ask if the amount of time it took me to come up with my FJ wager gave you any idea that you might be able to get away with betting nothing. Based on your aggressive betting earlier, I figured there was no way you would bet less than 4801. Based on that, I figured that I should bet between 2400 and 6000 to both preserve my second place position and win in case of a Gabor miss. It wasn't until after the taping that I was convinced by someone on this board that I should have bet it all: put $1000 at risk to possibly gain $6000 extra dollars in a win. I'm still a little ambivalent about that strategy in this case because I didn't feel tremendously confident in the category.

During the airing, my friend texted to say, "You lived in Iowa. How embarrassing." He was kidding around, but he's right. That one still stings a little. My Iowa friends are going to disown me. I might have been a little more bold on the Daily Double if I hadn't been stung on the previous question. Geography is one of my stronger categories. At the time, 4000 seemed like a good balance between betting aggressively, but staying within striking distance given the number of clues left on the board. If there were only a couple of clues left, I would have bet it all. (I need to go back to see how much money was left on the board to decide what the optimal bet would have been under the circumstances.)

My consolation prize after the game was getting to talk for a minute with Bob Harris and Jerome Vered just outside of the green room while they filed out of the audience. They stuck around after the ribbon cutting for the Hall of Fame. I'm not sure where Brad Rutter went.
Great game to you as well Ryan! In terms of betting, there was no way I was budging off of the standard double 2nd place + 1 strategy. I would have made the same bet from 2nd that you made.

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The tape date was September 20.

Regarding the Hugh Grant neg: I had to go to IMDB to see why the image of Hugh Grant in period clothes popped into my head. And sure enough, Hugh Grant played the male lead in Sense and Sensibility, which was released the same year as Pride and Prejudice. So that doesn't feel like such a bad miss anymore. If I would have gotten that question right, I would have had exactly three-fourths of Gabor's score going into FJ.

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"State's Rights" had to be left over from Kids Week. Easy 5/5 run for me.

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Ryan wrote:The tape date was September 20.
Before this season, has a regular-play game ever been taped so close to its air date?

The ToC taped September 26th and 27th. So we can expect Alex to still be a little limpy?
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econgator wrote:
MarkBarrett wrote:Daniel Craig must have had a hint in the wording I missed? I had no idea who to guess on that one on a quick reading for the first clue in the category.
That it was a blonde, I guess? Honestly, I thought they were looking for a Bond Girl the way they worded it.
Me too. Might've gotten it otherwise.

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chuck5982 wrote:"State's Rights" had to be left over from Kids Week. Easy 5/5 run for me.
Yeah, I was amazed that the state to the right of Nebraska was a triple-stumper.

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chuck5982 wrote:"State's Rights" had to be left over from Kids Week. Easy 5/5 run for me.
Yeah, I was amazed that the state to the right of Nebraska was a triple-stumper.
Yeah, Gabor, how did you not know that? ;)

I am not so surprised that I had a colossal brain fart at some point in the game. I can't explain the collective duh moment, but I was lucky Gabor didn't buzz in. (The next clue was my Daily Double.)

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DBear wrote:Can someone please explain to me how FJ is a triget? I had absolutely no idea where they were going with this. Is F. Scott known for dying relatively young and hanging out with Hollywood? Seriously, no idea on that one.

j! was a dream board, going 27/1, and I should've got Billy Holliday. Ran Saw It on TV, Legalese (how? :shock: ), Goin' Solo. Shoulda ran States' Rights, but I switched Louisiana and Mississippi around. Also, took the 50/50 on Boston Globe/Herald and got it wrong.
I'm not even sure how I got it. I figured from the dates that it was an author, likely American, whose writing prime was in the 1920s and/or 1930s. Add the Ivy League connection and my mind ran instantly to Fitzgerald because I didn't have a better guess.

I certainly didn't Know it. Some times I think this is just the way veteran J! minds work.

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Ryan wrote:I am not so surprised that I had a colossal brain fart at some point in the game. I can't explain the collective duh moment, but I was lucky Gabor didn't buzz in. (The next clue was my Daily Double.)
yup, i averaged at least one or two per game. it's a fast game, and as maggie says, there's a reason they call it jeopardy. if you are playing it well, you are constantly putting yourself at risk. the only way to avoid risk is not to buzz in, which is just death.

gabor himself has had a few inexplicable misses strewn in among his many, many correct responses over the last two days ("originality" for the "-tivity" category, for example, or tunisia for "this north african capital is called al jaza-ir in arabic"). this is, of course, not a criticism—i love the way he's played, very aggressive and trusting his instincts. it's won him a ton of money, and occasionally dumb things happen.

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MarkBarrett wrote:I'm in Paucle-ville for solving the FJ clue. I also have to admit to knowing nothing of the facts in the clue and even Alex's pre-reveal remarks did nothing for me. It's embarrassing that death year, Princeton, heart attack, and Hollywood all rang no bells. My guess was Fitzgerald for this reasoning: Died young in 1940 has him writing in 1920s or 1930s.

Guess Fitzgerald. I had little confidence, but I had no better name to guess as I could not eliminate Fitzgerald based any of the clue's wording either. It's a guilty solve, but I'll take it.
I'm with you, Mark - FJ! was an instaget even though the individual elements didn't ring any bells. I think my reasoning may have been the same as yours.
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