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Wednesday, February 8, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Archivists » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:30 am

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Re: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Archivists » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:30 am

DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND CATEGORIES
AND SO IT BEGINS... (4/5)
AN "F" IN GEOGRAPHY (5/5, including 1 correct Daily Double)
19th CENTURY BUSINESSMEN (3/5, including 1 missed Daily Double)
TV MOVIES (4/5)
WOMEN AUTHORS (3/5)
FINE FEATHERED IDIOMS (5/5)

THE RIGHTS & THE WRONGS
Carl: 11 R (including 1 DD), 2 W (including 1 DD)
Kirstin: 7 R, 0 W
Jody: 6 R, 1 W

Clues revealed: 30
Triple Stumpers: 5
Double Jeopardy! Round Potential Lach Trash: $7,600



FIRST DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
Carl snagged the next Daily Double on the 5th clue. Jody had $3,800, Carl had $7,800, and Kirstin was at $2,400. Carl wagered $3,000.

AN "F" IN GEOGRAPHY $1200: Now a region in Belgium, it once referred to an area in France and the Netherlands, too

SECOND DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
It was Carl who snatched up the last Daily Double of the game on the 15th clue. Jody had $7,400, Carl had $12,400, and Kirstin was at $4,400. Carl wagered $4,000.

19th CENTURY BUSINESSMEN $1600: After selling his fur business in 1834, he devoted himself to real estate, building the world's biggest hotel in NYC
(Carl: Who is Waldorf?)

TRIPLE STUMPERS IN THE DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND
WOMEN AUTHORS $1200: This best-selling author's works, in part, explore mother-daughter relationships and the immigrant experience
(Carl: Who is Amy Fan?)
[Originally ruled correct; ruled incorrect before the second Daily Double of the round]

WOMEN AUTHORS $1600: Much of this Maeve Binchy novel covers the teen years of Irish gal pals Benny Hogan & Eve Malone

19th CENTURY BUSINESSMEN $2000: When cigarette makers formed the American Tobacco Company in 1890, this North Carolinian became its first president
(Jody: Who is Reynolds?)

AND SO IT BEGINS... $1600: "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed..."

TV MOVIES $1200: The 2000 presidential election was the basis for this HBO TV movie with Kevin Spacey

SCORES ENTERING FINAL JEOPARDY!
Carl: $12,800
Kirstin: $10,800
Jody: $9,400

FINAL JEOPARDY! CATEGORY
NATIONAL ANTHEMS

VENUSIAN MONOLOGUES/MARTIAN CHRONICLES
Four-fifths for first place. Stratton's Dilemma.
Carl: Wager $8,801 to cover Kirstin.
Kirstin: You ought to wager to cover Jody, but since you cannot win on a Triple Stumper if you do so, you ought to choose between wagering $0 or maximizing your winnings with a bet of all $10,800. You are in Stratton's Dilemma, calling for a wager of more than $8,000 (to shut out Jody) or less than $6,800 (risking the possibility of being passed from behind by Jody). Go with the smaller bet if you believe a Triple Stumper is more likely than a singleton miss by Carl.
Jody: You ought to try wagering between $1,401 and $5,400. This will top a $0 wager by Kirstin while still beating Carl and Kirstin on the Triple Stumper (should Carl wager to cover Kirstin's doubled score and Kirstin wager to cover your doubled score).

FINAL JEOPARDY! CLUE
In her memoirs Queen Liliuokalani tells us that before Hawaii had a its own national anthem, it used this one

FINAL SCORES
Jody: $9,400 - $3,200 = $6,200 (What is Aloha Oy?) (2nd place)
Kirstin: $10,800 + $201 = $11,001 (What is God Save the Queen?) (New champion: $11,001)
Carl: $12,800 - $8,801 = $3,999 (What is Aloha Oe?) (3rd place)
(Alex: If you are familiar with Hawaii's state flag, you will know that in one corner of that flag it has the flag of this country whose anthem it used.)
(Alex: [To Kirstin] In the corner of Hawaii's state flag is the Union Jack.)

Total Potential Lach Trash: $10,600

GAME DYNAMICS
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CORYAT SCORES
Carl: $15,000, 23 R (including 1 DD), 4 W (including 1 DD)
Kirstin: $10,600, 12 R (including 1 DD), 3 W
Jody: $9,400, 15 R, 1 W
Combined Coryat: $35,000

BATTING AVERAGES
Carl: 23/60 = .383
Jody: 15/58 = .259
Kirstin: 13/59 = .220
Team: 51/63 = .810

MISCELLANEOUS INTERESTING CLUES
DROPPIN' MAD BEETS $600: Because of the concentric rings of red and white, the beets seen here also have this alliterative name
(Carl: What are bull's eye beets?)
[Originally ruled incorrect, ruled correct before the Daily Double]

THE BOOK OF PROVERBS $200: Chapter 1 tells you you're reading "the proverbs of" this man, "king of Israel"
(Carl: Who is David?)

IT'S DEBATABLE $200: (I'm Anderson Cooper.) I was a moderator of several 2016 presidential debates; one of the hot topics at the Kennedy-Nixon debates in 1960 was the global threat of this political ideology

IT'S DEBATABLE $600: Before he was a presence in the 2016 GOP debates, he was a star debater for Princeton in the '90s

NBA GREATS $200: Alphabetically first on the NBA's list of its 50 greatest players is this Bucks, Lakers & Celebrity "Jeopardy!" star
(Kirstin: Who is Allen?)

HISTORIC AUTOMOBILES $200: The 1897 Panhard Levassor was one of the first autos to put the engine in the "French style" here on the car
(Kirstin: Where is the back?)

NBA GREATS $400: (Dan Patrick delivers the clue.) In the 1998-99 season, this center led the Knicks as the team became the first ever to reach the finals as an 8th seed
(Alex: Less than a minute now.)

NBA GREATS $800: At the Beijing Olympics, the Chinese called this Laker Xiao Fei Xia or Peter Pan, due to his "flying" ability
(Kirstin: Who-- oh, no. Yao Ming? Who is Yao Ming?)

HISTORIC AUTOMOBILES $600: In the 1977 movie "Smokey & the Bandit", Burt Reynolds drove a classic Trans Am from this brand
[The end-of-round signal sounds.]

CORRECT RESPONSES
seven
sucrose
the Tree of Life
Kochel
Flanders
John Jacob Astor
Amy Tan
Circle of Friends
James Buchanan Duke
the 8th Amendment
Recount
"God Save The Queen"
candy-cane beets
Solomon
Communism
(Ted) Cruz
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
the front
Patrick Ewing
Kobe Bryant
Pontiac

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Final Jeopardy! Round

Post by theFJguy » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:31 am

FINAL JEOPARDY! CATEGORY
NATIONAL ANTHEMS

FINAL JEOPARDY! CLUE
In her memoirs Queen Liliuokalani tells us that before Hawaii had its own national anthem, it used this one

Jody Jaborra: 9400-3200=6200
Carl Falstrom: 12800-8801=3999
Kirstin Cutts: 10800+201=11001 (new champ)

Correct response:
Spoiler
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”God Save the Queen” was Kirstin’s response. “God Save the King” would also have been correct. (Jody – Aloha Oy) (Carl – Aloha Oe)

Daily Doubles
Kirstin: 2600+1000
Carl: 7800+3000
Carl: 14800-4000

Coryats
Jody: 9400
Carl: 15000
Kirstin: 10600

Combined: 35,000
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Re: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by MinnesotaMyron » Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:43 pm

[x] I guessed Aloha Oe for Wednesday's FJ.

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Re: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by JLJ » Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:58 pm

MinnesotaMyron wrote:[x] I guessed Aloha Oe for Wednesday's FJ.
I don't think it's a horrible WAG on this one, as the general time period for the song and the Queen's quote are about right. I think with a little more consideration, though, it's pretty reasonable to get to the correct response on this one.
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Re: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Foretopman » Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:55 pm

Did anybody besides me and the closed-captioner hear Their Eyes Are Watching God? I was shocked, shocked, that that wasn't reversed.

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:27 pm

I know "K" is some baseball stat, but can never remember which one specifically. I almost thought it was just "strike" since that also has a K in it.

I was about to say that bullseye/candy cane beets was negbait, but bullseye got overturned, so it ended up not mattering.

Proverbs for $200 was total negbait since "king of Israel" is going to be pavlovian for David at $200 about 99% of the time.

Another "alphabetically first" clue in $200 bites me in the ass. I actually did think of Kareem, but rejected him because Jabbar begins with a J, and no way is a J going to be alphabetically first at $200.

Foxborough seemed very obscure for $400. There are dozens of towns in MA that are bigger and more prominent than it.

Didn't recognize anything in TV Movies.

Also didn't know the UK had anything to do with Hawaii.
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Re: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Plactus » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:27 pm

Foretopman wrote:Did anybody besides me and the closed-captioner hear Their Eyes Are Watching God? I was shocked, shocked, that that wasn't reversed.
That's what I heard. I was also shocked "Amy Fan" wasn't immediately caught.
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Re: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by econgator » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:28 pm

I know Hawaii used to be the Sandwich Islands, so that gives me the UK, so God Save the King (which I think is what it actually was)/Queen.

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Re: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by OSXpert » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:31 pm

I said "Rule, Britannia!" which probably makes me seem pretty ignorant. :oops:

I was really surprised Alex didn't catch "Amy Fan" right away.

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Re: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Leander » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:32 pm

econgator wrote:I know Hawaii used to be the Sandwich Islands, so that gives me the UK, so God Save the Queen.
My logic too, also thought about the Hawaiian flag's Union Jack.

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Re: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by xxaaaxx » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:35 pm

Not often that I'm glaring at the screen twice in one game, wondering if the judges are on smoke break (and what, exactly they're smoking), waiting for reversals. That bullseye beet neg was bull...er, bad enough,but then missing Amy Fan, which was obvious to me in real time.
econgator wrote:I know Hawaii used to be the Sandwich Islands, so that gives me the UK, so God Save the Queen.
Ditto.

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Re: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Snaxx » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:53 pm

Another successful guess on the final thanks to the Sandwich Islands. Did not know about the flag, and when Trebek mentioned it I hoped he was referring to the Union Jack. Also curious as to which royal era (Victoria?) after putting down King/Queen to cover the bases.

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Re: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by soxfan99 » Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:05 pm

Foretopman wrote:Did anybody besides me and the closed-captioner hear Their Eyes Are Watching God? I was shocked, shocked, that that wasn't reversed.
Yup. Then I paused it and went back three times on my DVR. It was definitely "are". I don't see how that wasn't reversed, but at least it didn't make a difference in the game.

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Re: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Anachronism » Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:24 pm

Foretopman wrote:Did anybody besides me and the closed-captioner hear Their Eyes Are Watching God? I was shocked, shocked, that that wasn't reversed.
Absolutely. I was sure we were going to get a correction before FJ.

Lots of throat-clearing this week. I wonder why editing doesn't remove it. Takes the audience right out of the rhythm of the game.

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Re: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Spaceman Spiff » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:14 pm

MinnesotaMyron wrote:[x] I guessed Aloha Oe for Wednesday's FJ.
Same here.

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Re: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by twelvefootboy » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:20 pm

econgator wrote:I know Hawaii used to be the Sandwich Islands, so that gives me the UK, so God Save the King (which I think is what it actually was)/Queen.
Good one, but I think the current Queen E 2 has been on the throne for 150 years or so. Her and Nancy Pelosi (among many others) need to step aside and let some young octogenarians have a shot.

I failed the whole Sandwich Island connection and just guessed Japan. Never been there, and not into vexology. I think it was a worthy FJ clue. Would they have simply accepted "Great Britain national anthem", or "English National anthem" I wonder? I would think so, based on the clue structure.
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Re: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by opusthepenguin » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:22 pm

Ok, everyone listen and weigh in on what you hear:

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Re: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by xxaaaxx » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:26 pm

opusthepenguin wrote:Ok, everyone listen and weigh in on what you hear:
"Are". Yeesh. Definitely something a little stronger than coffee in the judges' cups that day.

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Re: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by IronNeck » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:33 pm

Good example of how a few unfortunate mistakes can cost one the game. Carl had a strong knowledge base, was fast on the buzzer, and bet optimally. However, a couple of fixable errors cost him an easy lock ("Phan" instead of "Tan", and not thinking a little harder to get to Astor from Waldorf) and then he was caught in FJ.

And yeah, that was a clear error by Kirsten that would have been a $3200 swing. Certainly enough to affect wagering and possibly the result. The producers likely won't fix anything, but that is really bad.

LT: Amy Tan, John Jacob Astor

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soxfan99 wrote:Yup. Then I paused it and went back three times on my DVR. It was definitely "are". I don't see how that wasn't reversed, but at least it didn't make a difference in the game.
That is certainly debatable.

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