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Wednesday, February 22, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Archivists » Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:30 am

Game Recap for Show #7473, 2017-02-22

2017 College Championship semifinal game 3.

CONTESTANTS
Mari Hanley, a junior at Stetson University from Lighthouse Point, Florida
Netanel Paley, a senior at Yeshiva University from Teaneck, New Jersey
Gary Tse, a freshman at the United States Naval Academy from Ellicott City, Maryland

OPENING REMARKS
Alex: Thank you, Johnny. And welcome, ladies and gentlemen. Let's talk money, shall we? The winner of today's game is guaranteed $25,000, because that's the minimum guarantee for a third-place finish in the finals, which start tomorrow, the two-day finals. Minimum guarantee for second place--$50,000. And, of course, $100,000 for the winner. There's a great deal at stake, so good luck. Here we go. Categories are as follows...

JEOPARDY! ROUND CATEGORIES
ESSAY TEST (5/5)
FINANCIAL LITERACY (2/5, including 1 missed Daily Double)
WHAT'S THAT SONG? (5/5)
MIDDLE I (3/5) (Alex: The letter I will come in exactly the middle of each correct response.)
ON TO GRAD SCHOOL (5/5)
I'M WITH HER (5/5)

THE RIGHTS & THE WRONGS
Mari: 10 R, 1 W
Gary: 10 R (including 1 rebound), 1 W (including 1 DD)
Netanel: 5 R, 0 W

Clues revealed: 30
Triple Stumpers: 4
Jeopardy! Round Potential Lach Trash: $3,000



SCORES AT THE FIRST BREAK
Gary: $2,800
Netanel: $2,200
Mari: $1,000

CONTESTANT INTERVIEWS



Alex: Mari Hanley is a junior at Stetson University whose major is history. And you had to do an interesting catalog that kind of ties in with history. Tell me.

Mari: Yes, I did. For my Introduction to Public History course, our professor had us catalog her mother's massive collection of spoons.

Alex: Going how far back?

Mari: Usually, I think, several decades, either the late '40s or late '30s.

Alex: And what was the purpose of this, and what did you discover about these spoons?

Mari: So, the purpose was to help us start off by trying to figure out what a museum catalog would look like, um, and the understanding of, just, where these spoons come from, the history behind them, so that if we were to ever disseminate this information to the public--and if anyone wants information on spoons, we've got it in spades...

Alex: Yep.

Mari: ...We found out that there wasn't, um--some of these were pretty fascinating. We had one Gerber baby spoon that looked downright demonic, and a Denny's spoon that I'm pretty certain was stolen.

[Laughter]




Alex: Netanel Paley from Teaneck, New Jersey, a senior at Yeshiva University. Took a course called Music and the Brain, whose purpose was what?

Netanel: The purpose of the course was to try to understand how the brain processes music. We went through the biology of the ear and the brain, and how--how the brain reacts to music, how the brain processes music. My teacher, who probably is the most excited person I've ever watched teach a class--he rambled a lot, but he was still very enjoyable.

Alex: Fun. Music and learning.




Alex: Gary Tse, you are undeclared at the moment as to a major, but you have ambitions in the Navy. What are they?

Gary: Um, at this point, uh, I think I'd want to be either a Navy pilot or a submarine officer.

Alex: They're a lot different, you know.

Gary: [Chuckles] Yeah.

Alex: You can't land a plane on a submarine.

Gary: I understand that.

Alex: Okay. Good for you.

JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
Gary found the Daily Double on the 29th clue. Gary had $5,400, Netanel had $2,200, and Mari was at $5,200. Gary wagered $5.

FINANCIAL LITERACY $1000: The two guys seen here, or the 2010 law named for them, meant to reduce the risk of bank failures
(Gary: Uh, what is--who are Glass and Steagall?)

TRIPLE STUMPERS IN THE JEOPARDY! ROUND
FINANCIAL LITERACY $600: Since the 1600s this word has meant a situation where stock values are inflated beyond their actual worth

FINANCIAL LITERACY $800: After a certain time with an employer, you're fully this, entitled to the benefits of your pension plan

MIDDLE I $600: Preaching often accompanies this evangelical assembly

MIDDLE I $1000: This official rebuke or censure is often quite severe

SCORES AT THE END OF THE JEOPARDY! ROUND
Gary: $5,395
Mari: $5,200
Netanel: $2,600

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Post by Archivists » Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:30 am

DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND CATEGORIES
"S.A." TEST (4/5)
LEONARDO DiCAPRIO MOVIES (5/5)
HOLIDAYS & OBSERVANCES (5/5, including 1 correct Daily Double)
ELEMENT-IUM (5/5, including 1 correct Daily Double)
POETS & POETRY (5/5)
ALL ABOOT CANADIAN GEOGRAPHY (4/5)

THE RIGHTS & THE WRONGS
Gary: 14 R, 0 W
Netanel: 8 R (including 1 rebound and 1 DD), 0 W
Mari: 6 R (including 1 DD), 2 W

Clues revealed: 30
Triple Stumpers: 2
Double Jeopardy! Round Potential Lach Trash: $2,400



FIRST DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
Mari snagged the next Daily Double on the 13th clue. Gary had $13,395, Netanel had $4,600, and Mari was at $8,000. Mari wagered $5,000.

HOLIDAYS & OBSERVANCES $2000: Technically, June 17 in Massachusetts should be called Breed's Hill Day instead of this

SECOND DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
It was Netanel who snatched up the last Daily Double of the game on the 24th clue. Gary had $18,195, Netanel had $8,600, and Mari was at $14,200. Netanel wagered $6,000.

ELEMENT-IUM $1200: Got milk? Yes? Then also got atomic No. 20, this

TRIPLE STUMPERS IN THE DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND
ALL ABOOT CANADIAN GEOGRAPHY $2000: X-Man Wolverine knows this Yukon mount is almost 20,000' high & has the largest base circumference of any mountain
(Alex: Highest mountain in Canada, [*].)

"S.A." TEST $400: Fire departments say when you reset your clock for daylight saving time, also change the batteries in these
(Mari: What is your smoke detector?)

SCORES ENTERING FINAL JEOPARDY!
Gary: $22,995
Netanel: $15,000
Mari: $15,000

FINAL JEOPARDY! CATEGORY
PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN YEARS

VENUSIAN MONOLOGUES/MARTIAN CHRONICLES
Crush for first place; prisoner's dilemma between the two 2nd place contestants.
Gary: Wager $7,006 to cover Netanel and Mari.
Netanel: Your prisoner's dilemma is made less onerous by the fact that you cannot catch up to Gary by wagering $0. You have but one choice: risk all $15,000.
Mari: Just like Netanel, you must wager everything.

FINAL JEOPARDY! CLUE
Year the New York World lamented, "The age of statesmen is gone... The age of rail-splitters and tailors... has succeeded"

FINAL SCORES
Mari: $15,000 - $10,000 = $5,000 (What is 1816?) (2nd place)
Netanel: $15,000 - $15,000 = $0 (What is 1876?) (3rd place)
Gary: $22,995 - $7,006 = $15,989 (What is 1876?) (Finalist)
(Alex: You're left with $15,989, and you're gonna be a finalist. Congratulations, young man. Way to go!)
(Gary: Thank you.)
(Alex: All right. Well played. Freshman, folks. And here are his two opponents for the finals, starting tomorrow.)
(Viraj: Viraj Mehta, Stanford.)
(Lilly: Lilly Chin, MIT.)

Total Potential Lach Trash: $5,400

GAME DYNAMICS
Image

CORYAT SCORES
Gary: $23,000, 24 R, 1 W (including 1 DD)
Mari: $12,000, 16 R (including 1 DD), 3 W
Netanel: $10,200, 13 R (including 1 DD), 0 W
Combined Coryat: $45,200

BATTING AVERAGES
Gary: 24/59 = .407
Mari: 16/59 = .271
Netanel: 13/59 = .220
Team: 53/63 = .841

MISCELLANEOUS INTERESTING CLUES
ESSAY TEST $800: This transcendentalist preached the ethics of "Self-Reliance" in an essay with that title
(Mari: Who is, um, Walden? Oh, no. No, not--never mind. Oh. Sorry. Yes.)
...
(Alex: You were thinking of Walden, I know, Mari.)

WHAT'S THAT SONG? $1000: Omi was rah rah for this title gal who was "always right there when I need her"
(Mari: [Singsong voice] What is a [*]?)
(Alex: [Singsong voice] You are right.)
[Laughter]
(Alex: [Singsong voice] Go again.)

POETS & POETRY $1200: The City College of New York hosts an annual festival celebrating the legacy of this poet laureate of Harlem

"S.A." TEST $1600: It looks like a flower, but it's actually an aquatic invertebrate

"S.A." TEST $1200: This Hebrew greeting means "peace be with you"
(Mari: What is, uh, shalom...)

CORRECT RESPONSES
Barney Frank & Christopher Dodd
a bubble
vested
a revival
reprimand
Bunker Hill Day
calcium
Mount Logan
smoke alarm
1864
(Ralph Waldo) Emerson
"Cheerleader"
(Langston) Hughes
a sea anemone
shalom alechem

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Final Jeopardy! Round

Post by theFJguy » Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:31 am

FINAL JEOPARDY! CATEGORY
PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN YEARS

FINAL JEOPARDY! CLUE
Year the New York World lamented, “The age of statesmen is gone…the age of rail-splitters and tailors…has succeeded”

FJ! clue as image:
Spoiler
Show
Image
Gary Tse: 22995-7006=15989 (Finalist)
Netanel Paley: 15000-15000=0
Mari Hanley: 15000-10000=5000

Correct response:
Spoiler
Show
1864 (Gary – 1876) (Netanel – 1876) (Mari – 1816)

Daily Doubles
Gary: 5400-5
Mari: 8000+5000
Netanel: 8600+6000

Coryats
Gary: 23000
Netanel: 10200
Mari: 12000

Combined: 45,200
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Re: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Bamaman » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:24 pm

I was hoping we'd see a tie-breaker today, but it wasn't going to happen even on a double get by the trailers.

I was a bit surprised nobody got it right. Railsplitter leads you to only one president and even if tailor doesn't help you, it is a coin flip. Hearing an editorial mocking Lincoln that late in the war seemed a bit odd to me, since he had given the Gettysburg Address just a year earlier, but it could only be one year since I was pretty sure Hannibal Hamlin wasn't a tailor.

If Mari had clammed on the Hebrew clue (I think she knew shalom and then recalled the category rule too late), she'd have been out of crush territory and could have won with a small bet.

We saw three pretty close games in the semifinals, hope that carries on to the finals.

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Re: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by TenPoundHammer » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:27 pm

Could've run the songs category but I was too slow on the first two. I don't like the song at $600, but I like the one at $800.

Didn't recognize anything in the I'm with Her category. When Orpheus is the first box, I know I'm screwed.

Barton/Nightingale always trips me up.

"Wait, it's NOT smoke detector?! But fire department + changing batteries, what the hell else could it possibly be?!?"

I knew Shalom, but have never heard another word with it.

Didn't recognize any of those DiCaprio movies.

None of the words in the FJ! clue meant anything to me. Railsplitter? Tailor?!
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Re: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by opusthepenguin » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:19 pm

Aaaaaarrrrggghhh! I identified Lincoln as the railsplitter. I remembered that Johnson was the Tennessee Tailor. And I forgot that Lincoln's first vice president was Hamlin, not Johnson. So I said 1860 and got it just as wrong as our clueless contestants.

What a game though, huh? Impressive play by all three. Tough break for Mari on that smoke detector clue.

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Re: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Golf » Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:53 pm

theFJguy wrote: Gary Tse: 22995-7006=15989 (Finalist)
Netanel Paley: 15000-15000=0
Mari Hanley: 15000-10000=5000

Daily Doubles
Gary: 5400-5
Mari: 8000+5000
Netanel: 8600+6000
Had Netanel not made a goofy DD wager things could have been very different. As it played out, Mari and Netanel had to answer FJ correctly to have a chance to win. But had Netanel wagered the whole 8600 on the DD (if you're going to wager 6k might as well max it out, the downside will still be the same) here's the scores going into FJ:

Gary: 22996
Netanel: 17600
Mari: 15000

Now Gary's shutout wager takes him below both Netanel and Mari on a miss not to mention eliminate the funky tie situation involving the trailers. Standard wagers would have been

Gary: 12205
Netanel: 12401-17600
Mari: 2601-4208

Resulting in these final scores:

Gary: 10791
Netanel: 0-4199
Mari: 10792-12399

Mari wins with proper wagering.

Now, judging by her actual FJ wager, I don't think she would have wagered correctly. Would have been interesting to see what Netanel would have wagered however. Just pointing out how a seemingly trivial wager can change absolutely everything.

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Re: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by MarkBarrett » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:02 pm

Gary missed his DD and only bet 5 bucks while his opponents left money on the table with each of the DD hits. It was one of those games where the DD wagering mattered almost as much as what happened in the FJ! round.

I played the FJ! clue as math with Railsplitter (Lincoln) + Tailor (Johnson) = 1864

Looking to the finals:

Lilly
Coryat average: 19600+14800=17200
FJ: 2/2
DD: 3/3
Position entering the FJ! round: 1+2

Viraj
Coryat: 22600+14400=18500
FJ: 0/2
DD: 1/2
Position: Lock+3

Gary
Coryat: 21800+23000=22400
FJ: 1/2
DD: 2/3
Position: 1+1

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Re: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by morbeedo » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:03 pm

Ahhh, to be young and financially illiterate...

Another charming trio, though I was really rooting for Netanel from Yeshiva University. I digress...

NHO 'shalom alechem'. Of course I know 'shalom' and 'salaam alaykum', but never heard the full Hebrew phrase. Many Jewish friends, been to Israel, never realized there was a Hebrew equivalent. Call me ignorant!

0/5 SONGS

POETRY continues to torment me. NHO red wheelbarrow but was *just* looking at Sailing to Byzantium yesterday and thinking aha! at the first line. Must strike that poem from my upcoming TD. Picked Donne over Milton and lost a cool 2 Gs. Mari's Walden meltdown was awkward.

TS: bubble, vested, reprimand, Logan, smoke alarm. MDD: Dodd-Frank

Virginia Woolf and Mandela blew right by me tonight. Whoosh, gone.

NHO Salvador Allende. Any relation to Isabel? I'm guessing that's a no.

Ran Leo movies. TPH - you sure you don't want my EWs?!

FJ: FML. NHO rail splitter or tailor so I was doomed. Went with 1900 because it just seemed right.
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Re: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by econgator » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:17 pm

I would bet lots of money that Mari said Tristam.

"Tailor" meant nothing to me, so I stuck with 1860 for FJ.

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Re: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by econgator » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:18 pm

morbeedo wrote:NHO Salvador Allende. Any relation to Isabel? I'm guessing that's a no.
Not the writer, but he does have a daughter named Isabel.

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Re: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by MDCSWildcats86 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:19 pm

No guess on FJ.



Incidentally, since someone asked, Judge Von Erik (not Erich) is another reference to Play the Percentages, an underrated short-runner from the spring of 1980.

What triggers the PtP references is the weekly polls on what % got FJ right.

On PtP, the point values per Q were determined by the approximate percentage of incorrect responses from a "recent studio audience".

For the FJs from the first round heats of the 2017 College Championships, the "Numbers" would be a 30, all the others a 10.



Hope this helps.


PS: I'm guessing that this 1864 FJ! will be at the very least a 60.

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Re: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by clprez » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:31 pm

I also knew it was Lincoln based on rail-splitter but guessed 1860.

I've been learning more and more about US Presidents, but I mostly know the years of the first few and the last bunch.

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Re: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Volante » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:32 pm

econgator wrote:
morbeedo wrote:NHO Salvador Allende. Any relation to Isabel? I'm guessing that's a no.
Not the writer, but he does have a daughter named Isabel.
The writer Isabel is a first cousin once removed from Salvador.

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Re: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by IronNeck » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:34 pm

morbeedo wrote:
NHO Salvador Allende. Any relation to Isabel? I'm guessing that's a no.
He's her first cousin once removed.

Anyways, this is the 3rd and final semifinal where each contestant had at least a 10% chance of victory going into FJ. In other words, they were all exciting, competitive games.

Considering I was rooting for him, it hurt even more when Netanel only bet $6000 on his DD instead of all $8600. A very costly error, since it allowed Gary to get the crush on Netanel (and Mari), giving him a simple wagering strategy. Considering the FJ was a triple stumper, he might well be haunted by thoughts of what could have been.

(Netanel's FJ bet of everything was correct, but of course, if he wasn't crushed, his wagering strategy should have been completely different)

Edit- I see that Golf noted the same thing.

All that being written, Gary was the better player and a very deserving finalist.

LT: Dodd-Frank

FJ: Nope! A nice 0/3 for the week thus far.

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Re: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by twelvefootboy » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:46 pm

to quote Charlie Brown (or is it Lucy Van Pelt?) ARRGGHH! My lucky streak is over for this week.

Easily nailed down the Lincoln TOM and settled on 1859 since it was the "campaign" year. Then remembered the actual election/inaugural years and moved to 1860 knowing election seasons used to be a sane length of time. Then I just waited and sweated it out hoping it wasn't 1864 because who would bitch about the rail splitter then? But I had that bad feeling through the rest of the music.

This is close to a YEKIOYD, because even if you knew AJ was a tailor, you also had to know he wasn't the Veep both cycles.

Good game, the right player won. I wonder if Natanel just got beat by lack of buzzer savvy? Gary impressed me with his Poetry run! I NHO most of them, would have guessed Robert Frost just from the prose.

Cute interplay with Mari and AT on the Cheerleader answer.
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Re: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by goatman » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:53 pm

Very fine FJ. Instaget and also for the wife.

Read the Andy Johnson wiki sometime ago; this detail stuck;
A Democrat who ran with Lincoln on the National Union ticket, Johnson came to office as the Civil War concluded. The new president favored quick restoration of the seceded states to the Union. His plans did not give protection to the former slaves, and he came into conflict with the Republican-dominated Congress, culminating in his impeachment by the House of Representatives. The first American president to be impeached, he was acquitted in the Senate by one vote.

Johnson was born in poverty in Raleigh, North Carolina. Apprenticed as a tailor, he worked in several frontier towns before settling in Greeneville, Tennessee. He served as alderman and mayor there before being elected to the Tennessee House of Representatives in 1835. After brief service in the Tennessee Senate, Johnson was elected to the federal House of Representatives in 1843, where he served five two-year terms. He became Governor of Tennessee for four years, and was elected by the legislature to the Senate in 1857.
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Re: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by 9021amyers » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:54 pm

The "tailor" part of the FJ clue threw me off. The railsplitter obviously referred to Lincoln, but knowing that Harry Truman was a haberdasher prior to his political career left me confused as to how the two could be connected. I didn't occur to me that Johnson, also, had a background in menswear. (Out of all the professions that could be shared by at least two of the 44 who have served, that might be the oddest.)

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Re: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by mfc248 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:04 pm

twelvefootboy wrote:Cute interplay with Mari and AT on the Cheerleader answer.
When Mari sang "cheerleader," I was immediately reminded of TheSunWillComeOut's "King Tut" and her story, told here, of the warning that accompanied it.

My hopes of cleanly sweeping Final Jeopardy! for the Championship died with tonight's clue. "Tailor" meant nothing to me, and I interpreted "rail-splitter" to refer to the Transcontinental Railroad; knowing it was completed in 1869, I dropped back to the Presidential election immediately preceding it. While I was only off by one cycle, wrong nonetheless; in retrospect, it should have rang a bell that a newspaper would have billed Grant foremost as a general.

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Re: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by dexterG » Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:05 pm

Went with 1860 for FJ. Very surprised none of the contestants recognized Lincoln from rail splitter.

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