Thursday, March 9, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Re: Thursday, March 9, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by IronNeck » Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:35 pm

"Saudi Arabia" was an absolutely hilarious response. And no, don't try to justify it. We understand even the strongest trivia minds have brain freezes, which might well have been the case here, but it doesn't mean it's not funny.

Anyways, all 3 DD bets were optimal, and 2 out of the 3 FJ bets were reasonable/optimal. Leader correctly covered. Annie prioritized potential dollars over potential number of days as champion, and the EV works out very close. 3rd place, however, should have bet zero hoping for a TS.

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Post by Golf » Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:35 pm

It was really great seeing contestants actually realize what was necessary in order to win and then wager everything on all three DD's. And then tempered somewhat by dreadful wagers from both Annie and Serena in FJ. I'm thinking had the clue omitted the word "citizenry" that it would have been a triple solve.

IronNeck - consider the merit of a $7001 wager from Serena in FJ if she didn't want to wager 0.
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Post by Volante » Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:38 pm

econgator wrote:
Bamaman wrote:The NY Times would be a pretty obvious guess as it is the country's best known paper. The Post was the one that broke the Watergate story in addition to being based in Washington and likely having a strong political reporting staff.
Several reporters/editors from other papers are mentioned, but only one other newspaper is mentioned by name. Take a guess which one (good luck, you'll need it! :) ).
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Post by IronNeck » Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:43 pm

Golf wrote: IronNeck - consider the merit of a $7001 wager from Serena in FJ if she didn't want to wager 0.
Ah, right you are! Yeah, she actually had a lot of reasonable wagers to work with; anything from 0-$7,400, really.

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Post by MDCSWildcats86 » Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:51 pm

StevenH wrote:For FJ I debated between Pitcairn Island and South Sudan, and went with the latter.
Pitcairn Island is a UK dependency, not an independent nation.

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Post by bpmod » Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:52 pm

doihavetoreally wrote:P.S. was jboard always 'not secure'..Or this the impact of last crash?
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Re: Thursday, March 9, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by goatman » Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:57 pm

Instaget. The wife AND my 11-yr old both got this one. Expected a triple get, great play from Rachel, sorry to see her miss, grats to Annie for defending!

39R. No gets on any pop music, utter loss. Don't see meself tuning in to any hip-hop or rappin radio to catch up either. I reckon other players will take those if they can.
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Post by Maven » Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:09 pm

Instagot FJ...can't even dare to think of remotely sizable countries, let alone 99.9% of countries with that population stat, which immediately pointed to a city/state. And you certainly can't get a more male-dominant city/state with a super low population than Vatican City.

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Post by twelvefootboy » Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:18 pm

doihavetoreally wrote:
zakharov wrote:Hot take: Saudi Arabia wasn't that bad a guess if you focused on "citizenry." It's not unreasonable to think Saudi women might not be full citizens.
Rachel's answer doesn't look that bad now. Too bad.
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I also hemmed and hawed about Saudi Arabia, remembering that Kuwait only has about 40,000 voters and SA could easily be even more disenfranchising. I really wanted to guess Antarctica but know that it is not a country and is some kind of weird UN or some other internationally agreed territory.
Big duh moment at the reveal. I've only followed closely recently, but the Vatican and Luxembourg are popular FJ topics.
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Post by This Is Kirk! » Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:19 pm

I've got to say I'm shocked that two of the three missed that FJ. Otherwise a great game and incredible victory by Annie!

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Post by Maven » Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:33 pm

This Is Kirk! wrote:I've got to say I'm shocked that two of the three missed that FJ.
I don't know if that shocks me as much as the Saudi Arabia guess...even though Saudi Arabia is not the most densely populous country in the world, it much, MUCH more than certainly has considerably more than just 32 women. Tis a shame the contestant wrote it...I was pulling for her, and I always pull for my fellow North Carolinians. Tuvalu, on the other hand, wasn't the worst ever guess, but still has a more significant population than a church headquarters city-state.

Edited to add: I meant 32...that's what I get for Speedy Gonzales-ing between my computer and doing the dishes, AND in turn not proofreading/checking the exact number said in the clue before posting. :P
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Post by mfc248 » Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:40 pm

While I responded correctly on FJ!, I'm coming in behind zakharov's argument. Given the reports in the news of the restrictions the liberty of women in the Kingdom, it isn't unreasonable to make a leap to a full-on deprivation of citizenship. A most esteemed member of our board mentioned the same to me on Twitter earlier tonight. Flipping that around, that was key to me getting it. "If there are only 32, it's not by birthplace, probably nor my lineage. Who might hand-pick - yep, and that makes sense - they've been patriarchal for ~2,017 years!"

Given the response I saw from TPH earlier, I feel fortunate that I locked into Ann Taylor first.

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goatman wrote:39R. No gets on any pop music, utter loss.
Having been born in 1981, I smiled at seeing that category revealed. There was trepidation when I couldn't pull Color Me Badd on the first clue revealed... but I otherwise swept it. Subjectively, I thought Montell Jordan WAY too easy for bottom-row of Double; it might be worth our while for MarkBarrett to poll it for an objective measure.

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Re: Thursday, March 9, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by StevenH » Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:47 pm

Elijah Baley wrote:
JayK33 wrote:
StevenH wrote:For FJ I debated between Pitcairn Island and South Sudan, and went with the latter.
Good guesses, though.

I guess sometimes limited knowledge in a field isn't a bad thing. Had I had a wider range of options in my head instead of just the well-known Vatican City, I would have probably picked the wrong one as well.
Well, someone has to be the smart aleck to point out that one of those isn't a country and the other has a population of more than 12 million.
I didn't interpret the clue as implying that the report had to be accurate or close to accurate.

But yeah, my bad on Pitcairn being a dependency. I don't know why I didn't think of the Vatican, being that it is the world's smallest country and all.

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Post by This Is Kirk! » Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:47 pm

Yes, I think it's fairly obvious that Rachel didn't actually think there are only 32 women living in Saudi Arabia.

If you don't realize The Vatican is the only country in the world that could actually have only 32 women residents then you'd need to come up with some other rationale, and Saudi's treatment of women as that rationale certainly has some merit. To me it's a better guess than just naming some random small country that would certainly have more than 32 female residents.

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Post by IronNeck » Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:42 am

This Is Kirk! wrote:Yes, I think it's fairly obvious that Rachel didn't actually think there are only 32 women living in Saudi Arabia.

If you don't realize The Vatican is the only country in the world that could actually have only 32 women residents then you'd need to come up with some other rationale, and Saudi's treatment of women as that rationale certainly has some merit.
Some people in this topic seem to be under the impression that Saudi Arabia is the only country in the world that doesn't give women full rights as citizens, or that they're the worst in that regard. Both of which are wrong.

I have no idea what Rachel was thinking and won't speculate, but I will note that going with Saudi Arabia instead of Yemen, Somalia, Chad, Syria, Eritrea, Mali, Jordan, etc, etc. under that presumption is far less charitable towards her trivia knowledge than assuming she simply misread it and made a funny answer.

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Post by davey » Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:43 am

I agree that Saudi Arabia isn't a bad guess, and not only because it was my first response for about 10 seconds. It's easy to latch on to "citizenry" and make assumptions about political oppression, a day after International Women's Day. At least until you remember the far more obvious response of a place full of priests...

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Post by This Is Kirk! » Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:55 am

IronNeck wrote: Some people in this topic seem to be under the impression that Saudi Arabia is the only country in the world that doesn't give women full rights as citizens, or that they're the worst in that regard. Both of which are wrong.
We're not under that impression. we're responding to why Rachel may have guessed Saudi Arabia and that country has been in the news for its treatment of women far more than the other countries you mentioned whether or not those other countries are just as bad if not more so. If she thought that was the angle that clue was going for, I'd say Saudi Arabia would be the best guess.
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Post by Category 13 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:58 am

mfc248 wrote:
goatman wrote:39R. No gets on any pop music, utter loss.
Having been born in 1981, I smiled at seeing that category revealed. There was trepidation when I couldn't pull Color Me Badd on the first clue revealed... but I otherwise swept it.
If I were on J! and that category came up, I'd be laying my signaling device down during any of those clues, however I did know en Vougue from seeing them sing that song on SNL back in the day.

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Post by davey » Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:09 am

Looking at a couple of different rankings of worst places for women, Saudi Arabia doesn't make the top 10. (Nor does the Vatican!...)
But in a survey of worst places by perception, it's number 1.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countr ... perception

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Post by Category 13 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:03 am

JLJ wrote:
MarkBarrett wrote: Annie was fortunate to get the repeat after failing to find the partner for the NYT in the NIXON category DD that cost her the farm.
It was a pretty small farm, more like a garden spot, at the juncture, though.

Admirable comeback work from that early DJ DD dip, though; especially with pulling the much more difficult DD2 in the round for a TDD to get fully back in the mix. So, fortunate, yes, but not just blindly lucky. It was really a very even match, all around.
I'd have to check the archive scoring but I wondered if Annie's "Watergate" neg cost her the lead going into FJ. I forget who got the rebound but if Annie had stayed clam, maybe we would have had a tie at the end of DJ? It turned out to be a moot point because of her singleton on the FInal.

Annie has been inconsistent on her FJ wagering. Risking it all when she shouldn't have bet any more than $6999 today, after leaving nearly $4000 on the table for the sake of a nice pretty round number in her first game.

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