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Re: Monday, April 17, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by MDCSWildcats86 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:48 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:
Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:31 pm
I don't know how to work the Archive search mastery, but anyone thinking today's tribble was the first time Alex held something for a clue is far from right as it's happened previously. I'm thinking a couple of dozen times or so at least. Here's one example I was able to find:

#524, aired 1986-12-11 BEER $200 (Daily Double): [Video Daily Double] TV series in which title characters worked for this brewery: [Alex held up a mug with"Shotz Beer" on it.]
There was one from the late 1980s (not in the Archive) where AT manually operated a bullwhip for a VDD, and another where he held a puppy dog.

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Post by Bamaman » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:57 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:
Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:19 am

The FJ! clue made laugh as I recalled this Hammer post from the 2/16 thread:

"Clemson is a town?!?! Talk about undervalued."
I suppose you also saw my comment in that game.

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The college football national championship mentioned in the clue happened less than six weeks ago. Just stop.
I've been trying to forget that game.
Apparently my attempts to forget succeeded as Clemson never came to mind today. I focused way too much on Calhoun. He was very pro-slavery and a big advocate of states' rights. He died in 1850, but had he lived, he likely would have been an elder statesman in the Confederate government. (He would have been 79 when the war started).

So I went with The Citadel. It is in Charleston, South Carolina, and is a military school much aligned with the Old South. But it probably isn't that well known nationally and an unlikely choice for a FJ clue.

I can't wait to see how he does with the clue tonight. Unlike others I do not have a foe list.
Well, he missed it tonight and also said he'd never heard of Agatha Christie's female detective who has 35 archive hits and was last mentioned four days after the game you referred.

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Re: Monday, April 17, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by hbomb1947 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:00 pm

Bamaman wrote:
Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:57 pm

So I went with The Citadel. It is in Charleston, South Carolina, and is a military school much aligned with the Old South. But it probably isn't that well known nationally and an unlikely choice for a FJ clue.
It's also an unlikely surname for Calhoun's son-in-law. :)

Incidentally, from the wiki about Clemson:

"Thomas Green Clemson, the university's founder, came to the foothills of South Carolina in 1838, when he married Anna Maria Calhoun, daughter of John C. Calhoun, a South Carolina statesman and seventh U.S. Vice President. When Clemson died on April 6, 1888, he left most of his estate, which he inherited from his wife, in his will to be used to establish a college that would teach scientific agriculture and the mechanical arts to South Carolinians."

So does that mean it's against the terms of his will for the school to admit out-of-state applicants?" :D

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Post by MattKnowles » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:44 pm

opusthepenguin wrote:
Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:28 pm
What a tease. How can they show us a tribble and not have a couple more lying around after the break, all culminating in a floor littered with the things by the end of FJ?
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What an absolutely terrible endgame. With 4 clues left and Kevin way behind, he chooses the only clue on the board guaranteed not to hold the remaining DD. Then when Deborah finds the pot of gold on the penultimate clue in a locked out situation she wagers $2k? Really? Not even going to try to win the game? And to top it off Kevin did his level best to throw away an extra $1k with that wager.
Her wager was enough to win the game if she had answered the clue correctly.

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For FJ, it was "Pick a university in South Carolina that sounds like it was named after a person."

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Post by trainman » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:51 pm

opusthepenguin wrote:
Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:28 pm
What a tease. How can they show us a tribble and not have a couple more lying around after the break, all culminating in a floor littered with the things by the end of FJ?
They already did that, in a Teen Tournament episode 20 years ago. (It's denoted as "infestation of the tribbles" in J-Archive.)

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Post by Volante » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:06 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:29 pm
"Contractors" was undervalued at $200 in Lyft/Uber. That whole category seemed very YEKIOYD.
And sometimes you just have to know it.

Wrote Duke for FJ. Knew it was wrong. Should've just written what I was thinking: "That U. in SC that has the Tigers that I can't think the name of."
I'd take the pity point...

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Re: Monday, April 17, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by This Is Kirk! » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:10 pm

hbomb1947 wrote:
Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:00 pm
Bamaman wrote:
Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:57 pm

So I went with The Citadel. It is in Charleston, South Carolina, and is a military school much aligned with the Old South. But it probably isn't that well known nationally and an unlikely choice for a FJ clue.
It's also an unlikely surname for Calhoun's son-in-law. :)
Good old Joe Citadel. He was quite a guy.

I thought Calhoun was from South Carolina and Clemson was the first university in SC I could think of that seemed like it could plausibly be named for a person, so Clemson it was. Can't say I was super confident.

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Post by IronNeck » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:15 pm

Golf wrote:
Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:30 pm
What an absolutely terrible endgame. With 4 clues left and Kevin way behind, he chooses the only clue on the board guaranteed not to hold the remaining DD. Then when Deborah finds the pot of gold on the penultimate clue in a locked out situation she wagers $2k? Really? Not even going to try to win the game? And to top it off Kevin did his level best to throw away an extra $1k with that wager.

This is why strategy should be a part of the audition, that way only players that actually try to win the game get the call. It's so frustrating to watching these people get the chance of a lifetime only to not even understand how to play.
I agree with everything you wrote. At the same time, these poor decisions simply make the prospects that much better for any savvy, well-prepared competitor.

I've seen a lot of multi-day champions who I believe weren't as naturally gifted or even interested in trivia as less successful contestants, but they prepared well, whereas their opponents did not.

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Post by OntarioQuizzer » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:30 pm

It's maybe twice a season where I have to rewind back to the clue to figure out what the writers were talking about but I definitely had to do so on that Panama clue.
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Post by dhkendall » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:35 pm

hbomb1947 wrote:
Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:31 pm
For FJ, it was "Pick a university in South Carolina that sounds like it was named after a person."
WLT South Carolina? I got that it was the South from "plantation". Is "John C. Calhoun" a Pavlov for SC?
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Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:18 pm
I'll admit that I got confused by the South America clue. I know the relevant facts, but I just had trouble processing the clue in real time.

(There's a different trivia fact I've heard before, and it got in the way even though it wasn't needed here. There are exactly two countries in South America as a whole that don't border Brazil. One of them is Ecuador and the other is Chile. Not relevant for this clue, of course, but for a moment I thought they were going to ask about that and then I just got confused. We want a country to the north of which country again? Easy for it to not click right away.)
Same. This is normally a wheelhouse category, but I just got lost there, and the contestants answering S. American countries didn't help me with the rebound (as I was still trying to figure things out by the time the first contestant answered.)
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Re: Monday, April 17, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by twelvefootboy » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:43 pm

How come I can't miss with Vanderbilt like all the cool kids here? I guessed Emory University because:

a) I think that Emory is south-ish, and I think Calhoun is a southerner, what with the plantation and slavery and all
b) It seemed like a person's name and not the name of a town, ergo a benefactor who might like those hot Calhoun girls. so what school names can i come up with that sound like people?

I stopped at Emory because I brain locked on teasing out any more names that were not a University of blank, or State University, etc..

When the reveal came, I cried Foul! because Clemson is a town name, not some rich white dude who can buy his wife a college.

IMHO, the TOM is broken by sharing the name of a town. Purdue, Vanderbilt, etc.. are valid guesses for namesake schools. I'm sure the towns are named after schools quite often instead of the other way around.

The Uber/Lyft category is definitely not for baby boomers in Pickup Truck country. Mustache?

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Post by Volante » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:50 pm

twelvefootboy wrote:
Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:43 pm
The Uber/Lyft category is definitely not for baby boomers in Pickup Truck country. Mustache?
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Yeeeeeeah.......

To say it made cars+drivers a target would be a smidgen of an understatement.

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Post by econgator » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:52 pm

dhkendall wrote:
Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:35 pm
Is "John C. Calhoun" a Pavlov for SC?
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Post by davey » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:10 am

Another Vanderbilt here and I'm kind of ashamed of it...I had read about Calhoun recently but I still blanked on what Southern state he was from. Even if I'd remembered SC, I don't think I'd have gotten to Clemson.

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Post by IronNeck » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:28 am

twelvefootboy wrote:
Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:43 pm
How come I can't miss with Vanderbilt like all the cool kids here? I guessed Emory University because:

a) I think that Emory is south-ish, and I think Calhoun is a southerner, what with the plantation and slavery and all
b) It seemed like a person's name and not the name of a town, ergo a benefactor who might like those hot Calhoun girls. so what school names can i come up with that sound like people?

I stopped at Emory because I brain locked on teasing out any more names that were not a University of blank, or State University, etc..
I missed with Emory, too. That part of my post got eaten for some reason.

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Re: Monday, April 17, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by French Rage » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:29 am

Do you think they would have accepted just "Truman" instead of "Margaret Truman"? The contestant got it wrong by using the first name Bess, but I'm wondering if someone at that point could still have gotten it by just the last name.

Also, it ticked me off that the runner-up's FJ answer was "What Clemson". They make you write the "Who/what/etc. is" during the commercial break, so that part you should always have. "What Clemson" isn't really a question (though he had that problem throughout tonight's game).

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Re: Monday, April 17, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by hbomb1947 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:48 am

twelvefootboy wrote:
Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:43 pm

a) I think that Emory is south-ish, and I think Calhoun is a southerner, what with the plantation and slavery and all
b) It seemed like a person's name and not the name of a town, ergo a benefactor who might like those hot Calhoun girls. so what school names can i come up with that sound like people?

I stopped at Emory because I brain locked on teasing out any more names that were not a University of blank, or State University, etc..

When the reveal came, I cried Foul! because Clemson is a town name, not some rich white dude who can buy his wife a college.
As the wikipedia excerpt that I posted upthread shows, Thomas Green Clemson was not wealthy prior to becoming Calhoun's son-in-law and he didn't "buy his wife a college." He married up, and he eventually inherited the estate from his wife Anna (John C. Calhoun's daughter), and then upon his death in 1888 he left most of the estate for the purpose of establishing the university. BTW, the town was originally named Calhoun but was renamed Clemson in 1943. But all of this is beside the point; the clue was simply trying to get you to identify a famous college in South Carolina that bears a name that could also be a person's last name.

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Post by Kenny » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:05 am

I guess I don't understand how Seward is so closely associated with SC. I was thinking Deep South, but it didn't occur to me that the university in question had to be in SC.

Deborah's FJ wager with LTAMTG was bizarre. Yes, I understand if sports is not in your wheelhouse, but at least give yourself a shot at making it a non-runaway.

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Post by Maven » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:19 am

Fell for the Vanderbilt negbait on FJ. I knew John C. Calhoun = somewhere in the South, but completely forgot he was a South Carolina man. :oops: I too thought Clemson was named after the town and had no earthly idea the namesake was a person.

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Re: Monday, April 17, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by dhkendall » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:23 am

French Rage wrote:
Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:29 am
Do you think they would have accepted just "Truman" instead of "Margaret Truman"? The contestant got it wrong by using the first name Bess, but I'm wondering if someone at that point could still have gotten it by just the last name.
I'm guessing not, but with the (what seemed like a) long pause before Bess was ruled incorrect made me think maybe just "Truman" was on Alex's answer key.
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