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Re: Monday, July 3, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by hbomb1947 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:38 pm

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Jumbo jet here. :(
Strictly speaking, you weren't wrong. The 747 is often referred to as the first "jumbo jet," although that's not quite a term of art to the extent that "widebody" is. Your response might not have been considered specific enough by the judges. (However, given the wording of the clue, I think there's a strong argument they would have had to accept something along the lines of "widebody passenger jet.")

BTW, why was the question even raised above as to whether "Boeing 747" was acceptable? That's the make and model of the plane.
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So are 747's and other two-aisle aircraft only for international flights these days, or do they do some domestic runs? I've flown from some fairly busy airports to others, like from Denver to LAX or Philadelphia to Miami or Washington National to Miami, but the fact that these planes are real fascinates me, and I was just curious what airports I'd have to fly to and from to be on one of these things. I don't have a passport.
It used to be much more common for widebodies like DC-10's and 747's to be deployed on domestic routes in the U.S., and not just those of transcontinental length (and you still see that a lot in some other countries). Now, even when you fly from one of NYC's airports to LAX for example, you'll usually get a single-aisle Boeing 737 or 757, or an Airbus 320, depending on the airline. Some airlines these days even use single-aisle Boeing 757's, or the new 737 MAX, for shorter transatlantic routes such as Newark to London. As mentioned by other commenters above, sometimes you'll still end up on a widebody for an intra-U.S. flight -- like when I was on a 777 from Atlanta to JFK one time last year. But the trend has long been towards smaller planes which allow for the airlines to operate more flights per day on a given route and/or fly with higher "load factors" (percentage of the seats that are full; operating with higher load factors is generally more profitable for the airlines. Flights in 2017 are much more likely to be completely full than was the case 2 or 3 decades ago.). And on many routes of about 3 hours flying time or less, you're stuck on even tinier "regional" jets which are single aisle, with the economy class seats in either a 1-2 or 2-2 configuration in each row, and a relatively small number of rows.
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Re: Monday, July 3, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Bamaman » Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:49 pm

Assuming Boeing made the 747 in the answer, I would think they would take it.

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Re: Monday, July 3, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by hbomb1947 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:52 pm

Bamaman wrote:
Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:49 pm
Assuming Boeing made the 747 in the answer, I would think they would take it.
Well, it wasn't made by McDonnell-Douglas. :) Boeing made the 747 in the answer, as well as somewhere north of 1,500 others so far. :)

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Post by opusthepenguin » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:20 pm

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My first thought was actually Anaheim. But that isn't in northern California and no other A cities came to mind so I settled on Berkeley.
Plus, Anaheim's not really a UC kind of town. I could see a Cal State there.

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Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:20 pm
Bamaman wrote:
Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:14 pm
My first thought was actually Anaheim. But that isn't in northern California and no other A cities came to mind so I settled on Berkeley.
Plus, Anaheim's not really a UC kind of town. I could see a Cal State there.
Simplest take: "Okay, they want alphabetically first, so it must be a California city beginning with A." #nope
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Re: Monday, July 3, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by econgator » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:37 pm

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(PS what makes the SoS the figure to receive such things?)
Federal law requires it (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/20), but why the SoS? I'd guess because he's #3 in Executive Branch rank after the Pres and VP.

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Post by Volante » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:45 pm

opusthepenguin wrote:
Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:20 pm
Bamaman wrote:
Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:14 pm
My first thought was actually Anaheim. But that isn't in northern California and no other A cities came to mind so I settled on Berkeley.
Plus, Anaheim's not really a UC kind of town. I could see a Cal State there.
Could, but the area's pretty well set. UC Irvine is down the road, Cal State Fullerton is up the road.

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Post by Volante » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:49 pm

hbomb1947 wrote:
Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:38 pm
As mentioned by other commenters above, sometimes you'll still end up on a widebody for an intra-U.S. flight -- like when I was on a 777 from Atlanta to JFK one time last year. But the trend has long been towards smaller planes which allow for the airlines to operate more flights per day on a given route and/or fly with higher "load factors" (percentage of the seats that are full; operating with higher load factors is generally more profitable for the airlines.
I imagine if you're flying between an airline's hubs, you've got good odds at getting a wide body. (E.g., Denver/LAX on United, I'm guessing Atlanta/JFK on Delta?)

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Re: Monday, July 3, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by econgator » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:14 pm

Volante wrote:
Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:49 pm
hbomb1947 wrote:
Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:38 pm
As mentioned by other commenters above, sometimes you'll still end up on a widebody for an intra-U.S. flight -- like when I was on a 777 from Atlanta to JFK one time last year. But the trend has long been towards smaller planes which allow for the airlines to operate more flights per day on a given route and/or fly with higher "load factors" (percentage of the seats that are full; operating with higher load factors is generally more profitable for the airlines.
I imagine if you're flying between an airline's hubs, you've got good odds at getting a wide body. (E.g., Denver/LAX on United, I'm guessing Atlanta/JFK on Delta?)
I had a wide body once (767) from SLC to MCO with Delta, so not always hubs.

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Post by Mathew5000 » Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:20 am

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But wasn't Nixon already effectively out of office when he got in the plane, despite Ford not being sworn in? Nixon's presidency ended when his resignation was recieved by the Secretary of State (PS what makes the SoS the figure to receive such things?) at 11:35, Ford's swearing in was at 12:05, but Nixon left shortly after 9:00, was he still in the air 2 and a half hours later? (Take note that swearing in doesn't always mean that you're automatically president from that point, as those who like to debunk the David Chase Atkinson myth like to use in their arsenal (Although that makes me wonder about those eight presidents that succeeded their dead predecessors, was there an interregnum of a few hours?))
According to The Nixon Resignation Quiz in The Washington Post, Ford became president at 11:35AM even though he wasn't sworn in until 28 minutes later. I imagine a lawyer would say that the Vice President becomes president at the moment of the former president's resignation or death, and has a legal obligation to take the oath of office as soon as practicable afterward.

Of course if the president dies or resigns while the vice presidency is vacant, there would be an interregnum.

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Post by Mathew5000 » Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:29 am

Also, Nixon was airborne at the time Ford took the oath; apparently 13 miles southwest of Jefferson City, Missouri. According to a book by Kenneth T. Walsh, the call sign of Nixon's plane changed at that moment to SAM 27000.

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Re: Monday, July 3, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by AFRET CMS » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:11 pm

Mathew5000 wrote:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:20 am
dhkendall wrote:
Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:17 pm
But wasn't Nixon already effectively out of office when he got in the plane, despite Ford not being sworn in? Nixon's presidency ended when his resignation was recieved by the Secretary of State (PS what makes the SoS the figure to receive such things?) at 11:35, Ford's swearing in was at 12:05, but Nixon left shortly after 9:00, was he still in the air 2 and a half hours later? (Take note that swearing in doesn't always mean that you're automatically president from that point, as those who like to debunk the David Chase Atkinson myth like to use in their arsenal (Although that makes me wonder about those eight presidents that succeeded their dead predecessors, was there an interregnum of a few hours?))
According to The Nixon Resignation Quiz in The Washington Post, Ford became president at 11:35AM even though he wasn't sworn in until 28 minutes later. I imagine a lawyer would say that the Vice President becomes president at the moment of the former president's resignation or death, and has a legal obligation to take the oath of office as soon as practicable afterward.

Of course if the president dies or resigns while the vice presidency is vacant, there would be an interregnum.
Great quiz! Question 5 showed me why I thought Nixon was airborne at the time of succession -- in his speech the night before he said, "Therefore, I will resign the Presidency effective at noon tomorrow."

However, the actual text of the letter said "I hereby resign..." with no time given, making it effective immediately upon receipt.

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Post by Mathew5000 » Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:09 am

AFRET CMS wrote:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:11 pm
Great quiz! Question 5 showed me why I thought Nixon was airborne at the time of succession -- in his speech the night before he said, "Therefore, I will resign the Presidency effective at noon tomorrow."

However, the actual text of the letter said "I hereby resign..." with no time given, making it effective immediately upon receipt.
Yes, the letter itself can be viewed here, and does not mention any particular time. Strangely though, the Ford Presidential Library has an account setting out the text of the letter as follows: "I hereby resign the Office of President of the United States, effective twelve noon, Eastern Standard Time, on August 9, 1974." I assume this is just a mistake.

The NYT obituary of Colonel Ralph D. Abertazzie (pilot of Air Force One) indicates that the request for a call sign change was not made until Ford was sworn in. Maybe Colonel Abertazzie was unaware that the actual resignation took effect at 11:35 when the letter was delivered to Secretary Kissinger.

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Post by opusthepenguin » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:07 am

econgator wrote:
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I had a wide body once
Seriously guys? Do I have to do all he work around here? I'm on vacation in California. Surely SOMEBODY could've made the obligatory quip in my absence. I feel like I'm the only one who's... uh... pulling his own weight.

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Re: Monday, July 3, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by alietr » Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:41 am

opusthepenguin wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:07 am
econgator wrote:
Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:14 pm
I had a wide body once
Seriously guys? Do I have to do all he work around here? I'm on vacation in California. Surely SOMEBODY could've made the obligatory quip in my absence. I feel like I'm the only one who's... uh... pulling his own weight.
Maybe if you ever put down that double-dip ice cream cone ...

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Re: Monday, July 3, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by This Is Kirk! » Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:51 am

hbomb1947 wrote:
Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:38 pm
BTW, why was the question even raised above as to whether "Boeing 747" was acceptable? That's the make and model of the plane.
I was confused by this, too. Not sure what people were thinking...

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Re: Monday, July 3, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by opusthepenguin » Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:43 am

alietr wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:41 am
opusthepenguin wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:07 am
econgator wrote:
Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:14 pm
I had a wide body once
Seriously guys? Do I have to do all he work around here? I'm on vacation in California. Surely SOMEBODY could've made the obligatory quip in my absence. I feel like I'm the only one who's... uh... pulling his own weight.
Maybe if you ever put down that double-dip ice cream cone ...
I'm still giggling over this. You are a mischievous if benevolent deity.

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