Tuesday, July 11, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Re: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by morbeedo » Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:33 am

nlw44 wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:11 pm
As Elijah Baley discussed above, having time to write down - legibly - these two relatively long country names means you have significantly less than 30 seconds to actually come up with the answer. Anything that requires significant writing is, to my mind, a pretty tough FJ, regardless of subject. Being able to type the answer rather than having to hand-write it would help immensely. I get that TPTB obviously prefer the personal touch of handwriting, but I'd like to see them try some of these long ones themselves.
Well, if you figure it out with just a few seconds to spare, couldn't you just write 'Swaziland & CH' ? What's the rule on abbreviations for FJ? I guess it helps to know the standard country/state abbreviations

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Re: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by BigDaddyMatty » Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:34 pm

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I came up with Switzerland and Swaziland with just a few seconds to spare. I counted it, but it would have been nip and tuck to get both down before the light pen stopped working.

I do think they should invite Scott back. The rule about not taking away rebound money on a reversal is fine, but in the rare case when the judges' failure to initially approve a correct response costs a player a win (and $20,000+), TPTB should give the player another chance.
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Re: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by French Rage » Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:34 pm

So it seems from whenever Italian composers comes up as a category, the answers will always be Verdi, Vivaldi, Puccini, Rossini, and then some mystery fifth answer, in some order, right? :D

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Re: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Bamaman » Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:18 pm

morbeedo wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:33 am
nlw44 wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:11 pm
As Elijah Baley discussed above, having time to write down - legibly - these two relatively long country names means you have significantly less than 30 seconds to actually come up with the answer. Anything that requires significant writing is, to my mind, a pretty tough FJ, regardless of subject. Being able to type the answer rather than having to hand-write it would help immensely. I get that TPTB obviously prefer the personal touch of handwriting, but I'd like to see them try some of these long ones themselves.
Well, if you figure it out with just a few seconds to spare, couldn't you just write 'Swaziland & CH' ? What's the rule on abbreviations for FJ? I guess it helps to know the standard country/state abbreviations

I don't know about CH, as you could have been starting to write China. I think I'd take Switz.

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Re: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Mathew5000 » Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:55 pm

Bamaman wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:18 pm
morbeedo wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:33 am
Well, if you figure it out with just a few seconds to spare, couldn't you just write 'Swaziland & CH' ? What's the rule on abbreviations for FJ? I guess it helps to know the standard country/state abbreviations
I don't know about CH, as you could have been starting to write China. I think I'd take Switz.
But haven't we established that "could have been starting to write" is not relevant in the judging on FJ? So that where Massachusetts is a correct response, "MA" is accepted (even though it could have been the start of Maryland) but "Massachuset" is ruled incorrect. By that standard, "CH" or "SUI" should be acceptable for Switzerland but not "Switz."

Edited to add: https://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/codes/country.htm a nice table of the ISO two- and three-letter country codes, along with the UN vehicle codes and IOC codes. Those vehicle codes in general are presumably not acceptable as FJ responses (can you imagine accepting just "A" for Austria?) but is there any precedent on Jeopardy for ruling the ISO or IOC country codes as a correct response?
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Re: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by cheezguyty » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:07 pm

Mathew5000 wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:55 pm
Bamaman wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:18 pm
morbeedo wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:33 am
Well, if you figure it out with just a few seconds to spare, couldn't you just write 'Swaziland & CH' ? What's the rule on abbreviations for FJ? I guess it helps to know the standard country/state abbreviations
I don't know about CH, as you could have been starting to write China. I think I'd take Switz.
But haven't we established that "could have been starting to write" is not relevant in the judging on FJ? So that where Massachusetts is a correct response, "MA" is accepted (even though it could have been the start of Maryland) but "Massachuset" is ruled incorrect. By that standard, "CH" or "SUI" should be acceptable for Switzerland but not "Switz."
The show has used "Switz." as an abbreviation for "Switzerland" in several clues: http://www.j-archive.com/search.php?sea ... mit=Search

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Re: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Mathew5000 » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:48 pm

cheezguyty wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:07 pm
The show has used "Switz." as an abbreviation for "Switzerland" in several clues: http://www.j-archive.com/search.php?sea ... mit=Search
OK, fair enough then on "Switz", especially since it's in Merriam-Webster as an abbreviation of Switzerland. (The Collins Dictionary also lists "Swit." as a valid abbreviation.)

Also found a list from the U.S. Department of State of what it calls "Country Acronyms". Examples:

ARM (Armenia)
ASTL (Australia)
AUST (Austria)
IMD (India)
PRK (North Korea)
KOR (South Korea)
STCN (St. Kitts and Nevis)
SZLD (Swaziland)
SWTZ (Switzerland)
GRBR (United Kingdom)

I wonder whether any of those would be accepted by the Jeopardy judges? Presumably this list is not much used outside the Bureau of Consular Affairs. It's the first time I've seen "IMD" as an abbreviation for "India". I guess they figured that "IND", "INDI", "INDA", or "IDIA" could too easily be taken for Indonesia.

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