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Discussion about old games in the Archive

Post by JeuParti » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:53 pm

Hi all!

I've created this discussion so that there is a spot for me, and anyone else for that matter, to post questions and discussions about clues from old games in the archive. I've had a lot of fun in the past year going through some old games in my free time, but as I am not a native American and fairly new to the trivia world, there are sometimes clues, particularly in the old games, that I need some help with. A lot of people here have answered previous questions and I've learned a lot!

So here goes, with my next question. Thanks in advance to anyone who takes the time to help me out!

Presidential Trivia:
After the deaths of his wife & mother, this "Due from N.Y." worked on ranches in North Dakota

http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5754

Can anyone explain the "due from N.Y." part of the clue? I googled it and couldn't find anything related to Teddy Roosevelt. Thanks!

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Post by opusthepenguin » Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:34 pm

Apparently he wrote something called "Due from N.Y." or maybe "Due from New York" but Google doesn't seem to know about it. I would've gotten this on a DD or FJ. TR's the best guess for a president with a New York connection and a rugged lifestyle. Add in the death of a wife and I like that answer even more. I'm not sure if Barry used similar reasoning or if he somehow actually knew the right response. I doubt I'd have rung in to voice my hunch.

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Re: Discussion about old games in the Archive

Post by MattKnowles » Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:47 pm

It might be a typo by the archivist and it was supposed to say "Dude from N.Y." which would fit the clue a lot better since it was about a ranch.
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Re: Discussion about old games in the Archive

Post by MarkBarrett » Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:27 pm

MattKnowles wrote:
Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:47 pm
It might be a typo by the archivist and it was supposed to say "Dude from N.Y." which would fit the clue a lot better since it was about a ranch.
Yes, a typo that is my fault and I have fixed it, thanks.

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Re: Discussion about old games in the Archive

Post by JeuParti » Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:57 pm

Hi all!

I'd like to discuss this clue from a 1988 game:

BODIES OF WATER $2,700 (Daily Double): 2 of the 3 main passages into the Mediterranean

One of the correct responses is the Strait of Bosporus (others are Strait of Gilbraltar and Suez Canal).

My question is: Would the Dardanelles also be an acceptable response instead of Strait of Bosporus? It links the Aegean Sea and the Sea of Marmara and is recognized by many as the link between Asia and Europe. Thoughts? Thanks!

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Re: Discussion about old games in the Archive

Post by Mathew5000 » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:46 pm

JeuParti wrote:
Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:57 pm
BODIES OF WATER $2,700 (Daily Double): 2 of the 3 main passages into the Mediterranean

One of the correct responses is the Strait of Bosporus (others are Strait of Gilbraltar and Suez Canal).

My question is: Would the Dardanelles also be an acceptable response instead of Strait of Bosporus? It links the Aegean Sea and the Sea of Marmara and is recognized by many as the link between Asia and Europe. Thoughts? Thanks!
Yes, the correct response as listed in J! Archive specifically includes the Dardanelles:

“the Straits of Gibraltar & the Straits of Bosporus (or the Dardanelles) (& the Suez Canal)”

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Post by seaborgium » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:30 pm

It sounds like they were considering the Bosporus and Dardanelles as a single passage because of their proximity.

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Post by opusthepenguin » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:23 pm

seaborgium wrote:
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It sounds like they were considering the Bosporus and Dardanelles as a single passage because of their proximity.
I think it's more that if one of them is the passage to the Mediterranean, then the other one isn't. They can't both be.

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Re: Discussion about old games in the Archive

Post by JeuParti » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:44 pm

Hi all, I have a question about this old FJ from 1988:

GOVERNMENT: The use of civil service examinations began over 1000 years ago in this country

http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5265

The correct response is....(spoiler comin' up):



China

Is there something about China in the 10th century that should have led us to come up with China as the response to this clue?

Thanks for your help with this discussion!

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Post by KellyLasiter » Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:18 pm

JeuParti wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:44 pm
Hi all, I have a question about this old FJ from 1988:

GOVERNMENT: The use of civil service examinations began over 1000 years ago in this country

http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5265

The correct response is....(spoiler comin' up):



China

Is there something about China in the 10th century that should have led us to come up with China as the response to this clue?

Thanks for your help with this discussion!
China is fairly famous for having exams like that, going way back. I couldn't have told you 10th century specifically, but it was a thing. There was a god of tests (which I found out while in college, in possession of a few too many mythology books, and tempted to play all the angles, haha).

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Post by Mathew5000 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:21 pm

Also this is related to the etymology of “mandarin” in the sense of “powerful official or senior bureaucrat“:
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/mandarin

According to this web page, the exams were established in the seventh century (not the tenth).

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Re: Discussion about old games in the Archive

Post by KellyLasiter » Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:00 am

Mathew5000 wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:21 pm
Also this is related to the etymology of “mandarin” in the sense of “powerful official or senior bureaucrat“:
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/mandarin

According to this web page, the exams were established in the seventh century (not the tenth).
Ah, and I guess the clue does say "over 1000 years ago," not "exactly 1000 years ago"! :D

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Re: Discussion about old games in the Archive

Post by JeuParti » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:35 pm

Hi all,

I found this rather tough Final Jeopardy in a 1989 game:

FAMOUS NAMES:
His father, whose first & middle names were also Charles Augustus, was a Minnesota congressman

http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=4931

It was a triple stumper and I'm wondering, without spoiling by providing the response, how we were supposed to find the correct response based on the limited information provided? Just thought I'd ask if anyone sees more of a lead into a response here than I do. Thanks!

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Re: Discussion about old games in the Archive

Post by badgerfellow » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:05 am

JeuParti wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:35 pm
Hi all,

I found this rather tough Final Jeopardy in a 1989 game:

FAMOUS NAMES:
His father, whose first & middle names were also Charles Augustus, was a Minnesota congressman

http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=4931

It was a triple stumper and I'm wondering, without spoiling by providing the response, how we were supposed to find the correct response based on the limited information provided? Just thought I'd ask if anyone sees more of a lead into a response here than I do. Thanks!
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Lindbergh is a well known Minnesotan. In fact, one of the terminals at Minneapolis-St. Paul International is named after him. If you piece together "Minnesota" + "Charles", you get to Lindbergh. This is one, though, that could lend itself to overthinking if you think a pseudonym is needed here.

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Re: Discussion about old games in the Archive

Post by MarkBarrett » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:10 am

JeuParti wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:35 pm
Hi all,

I found this rather tough Final Jeopardy in a 1989 game:

FAMOUS NAMES:
His father, whose first & middle names were also Charles Augustus, was a Minnesota congressman

http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=4931

It was a triple stumper and I'm wondering, without spoiling by providing the response, how we were supposed to find the correct response based on the limited information provided? Just thought I'd ask if anyone sees more of a lead into a response here than I do. Thanks!
My thoughts:
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You are right that there is little to go on. If you are like me and know that Lindbergh is Charles Augustus Lindbergh then it's easy. If Lindbergh had come up on my shows I was prepared to either give his full name or to have gone the short way with C.A. Lindbergh.

Without that knowledge and no time frame it's guess a famous Charles who could have had that middle name.

Charles Bronson - That was not his birth name.
Charles Schulz was born in Minnesota so nice trap and very reasonable guess
Charles Manson? Not likely

I think it's possible to brainstorm the right Charles, but I've seen easier clues about Lindbergh on the show not have much success.

YEKIOYD comes up on the J! Board and it would seem to fit this clue most likely.

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Re: Discussion about old games in the Archive

Post by opusthepenguin » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:02 am

JeuParti wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:35 pm
Hi all,

I found this rather tough Final Jeopardy in a 1989 game:

FAMOUS NAMES:
His father, whose first & middle names were also Charles Augustus, was a Minnesota congressman

http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=4931

It was a triple stumper and I'm wondering, without spoiling by providing the response, how we were supposed to find the correct response based on the limited information provided? Just thought I'd ask if anyone sees more of a lead into a response here than I do. Thanks!
You have to know it or at least suspect it. The last name that immediately popped into my mind just sounded right. I vaguely recalled this person occasionally being referred to by his full name. And Minnesota fit that recollection more or less. I wasn't 100% sure, but I also wasn't surprised when I discovered I was right. So this isn't quite a straight knowledge YEKIOD. But there also isn't a blatant TOM that let's you in through the side door when you had no really inkling of this fact.

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:10 pm

opusthepenguin wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:02 am
You have to know it or at least suspect it. The last name that immediately popped into my mind just sounded right. I vaguely recalled this person occasionally being referred to by his full name. And Minnesota fit that recollection more or less. I wasn't 100% sure, but I also wasn't surprised when I discovered I was right. So this isn't quite a straight knowledge YEKIOD. But there also isn't a blatant TOM that let's you in through the side door when you had no really inkling of this fact.
So you have to grasp at straws and take completely random shots in the dark. Sounds like a YEKIOYD to me.
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Re: Discussion about old games in the Archive

Post by Stanislaus Jacob » Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:56 pm

Charles Lindbergh Sr. was actually a quite prominent figure in his time - not just a congressman but an especially opinionated and outspoken one.

Of course, "his time" was still seven decades before this game, so I agree that this was not an easy FJ clue and was maybe better suited for the Tournament of Champions. Charles Lindbergh had only been dead for fifteen years, though, so there might have been more expectation that people would remember his Minnesota origins. Charles Schulz is indeed potential negbait, but it is fairly well-known that his middle initial was ("is" at the time) M. (for Monroe, according to Wikipedia).

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Post by Bamaman » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:22 pm

According to Wikipedia, the father's middle name was August, not Augustus.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles ... _Lindbergh

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Post by econgator » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:04 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:10 pm
Sounds like a YEKIOYD to me.
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