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Re: Monday, October 9, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by zerobandwidth » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:21 am

First FJ I hadn't previously seen in two weeks, and it was an insta-get, but like others above, that's only because I took Latin courses throughout high school and college.

Austin seemed jet-lagged in this game; he sounded almost shaky on several responses. It will be interesting to see if that was fatigue, which will increase with each win, or just first-game-of-the-day jitters, which will likely decrease.
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Re: Monday, October 9, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by OntarioQuizzer » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:22 am

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Is that just something they've been doing lately? I haven't really noticed. Maybe one of the players had mobility issues?
I had heard that this was a change, that the players would be staying at their lecterns all the time for the closing credits now. This was the first episode of this.

Also note that the dividers for Final Jeopardy! are now retractable.
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Re: Monday, October 9, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by harrumph » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:12 am

I hope Austin keeps winning until his hair grows back.

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Post by hbomb1947 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:40 am

cthulhu wrote:
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Instaget FJ, but I knew the quote - in English not Latin - via an Isaac Asimov article I read years and years ago. I think this was mostly YEKIOYD; not much TOM there.
Several of us have already disproved the assertion that this FJ was YEKIOYD or in any way dependent on knowing the Latin phrase; it was solvable via "ancient name for place that included what are now France and Belgium."

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Post by alietr » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:06 pm

hbomb1947 wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:32 pm
That's simply incorrect. I never took Latin and never heard the quote prior to tonight's episode, but I reasoned it out by knowing history, and realizing the correct response had to be an area roughly corresponding to modern France but that also included a people called the "Belgae" (who sure sounded like a people who gave their name to Belgium). The inclusion of the Belgae helped me remember the category and not write "France"; and I guessed (correctly) that Gaul -- which I had previously thought of mainly as being the ancient predecessor to France -- must have included at least part of what's now Belgium. (And modern Flanders, BTW, is part of Belgium, not France.)

And I would feel confident in guessing that other boardies solved the clue through similar thought processes.
I was the exact same ... I've never taken Latin and didn't know the quote. I puzzled out the geographical areas (with a brief stop in Britain) and knew that Caesar had conquered Gaul.

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Post by Woof » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:28 pm

This Is Kirk! wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:14 am
Woof wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:19 pm
Since in 8th grade I wrote a parody of Caesar's Commentaries
Out of curiosity, how many wedgies did you get in 8th grade? :lol:
:mrgreen: It was an assignment that probably only my English teacher read, so my secret was safely hidden.

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Re: Monday, October 9, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by This Is Kirk! » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:30 pm

clt013 wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:21 am
teapot37 wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:02 pm
Hmm, I seem to be the only person who has never heard that Caesar quote before. I didn't have a chance.
I'll join you in that club - "NHO" that quote either.
I got as far as "western Europe" based on the groups named, but couldn't pull Gaul.
Does anyone know why the quote is famous in the first place? It seems like a pretty innocuous quote to be one that Caesar is remembered for.

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Post by Elijah Baley » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:35 pm

Embarrassed to admit that the Celtic reference had me thinking Brittany, and then I was trying to come up with what region would include Belgium and Aquitaine, compounded by thinking of "area" as being some discrete part of a country, which resulted in "Normandy." (The fact that Aquitaine is not remotely where I thought it was didn't help).

Shorter version: made it way too complicated.

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:38 pm

This Is Kirk! wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:30 pm
Does anyone know why the quote is famous in the first place? It seems like a pretty innocuous quote to be one that Caesar is remembered for.
The only quote I know from Caesar is "Pizza! Pizza!"
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Re: Monday, October 9, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by econgator » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:40 pm

This Is Kirk! wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:30 pm
clt013 wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:21 am
teapot37 wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:02 pm
Hmm, I seem to be the only person who has never heard that Caesar quote before. I didn't have a chance.
I'll join you in that club - "NHO" that quote either.
I got as far as "western Europe" based on the groups named, but couldn't pull Gaul.
Does anyone know why the quote is famous in the first place? It seems like a pretty innocuous quote to be one that Caesar is remembered for.
It's no Veni, vidi, vici or Alea iacta est, that's for sure. I suspect it's 'famous' only because Caesar wrote it. If someone else wrote that book, then it wouldn't be remembered at all.

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Post by Woof » Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:19 pm

econgator wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:40 pm
This Is Kirk! wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:30 pm
clt013 wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:21 am
teapot37 wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:02 pm
Hmm, I seem to be the only person who has never heard that Caesar quote before. I didn't have a chance.
I'll join you in that club - "NHO" that quote either.
I got as far as "western Europe" based on the groups named, but couldn't pull Gaul.
Does anyone know why the quote is famous in the first place? It seems like a pretty innocuous quote to be one that Caesar is remembered for.
It's no Veni, vidi, vici or Alea iacta est, that's for sure. I suspect it's 'famous' only because Caesar wrote it. If someone else wrote that book, then it wouldn't be remembered at all.
Opening lines are often memorable. Can anyone name another line from Anna Karenina apart from "All happy families are alike" or another line from Moby-Dick apart from "Call me Ishmael?"

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Re: Monday, October 9, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by mikebdoss » Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:24 pm

Elijah Baley wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:35 pm
Embarrassed to admit that the Celtic reference had me thinking Brittany, and then I was trying to come up with what region would include Belgium and Aquitaine, compounded by thinking of "area" as being some discrete part of a country, which resulted in "Normandy." (The fact that Aquitaine is not remotely where I thought it was didn't help).

Shorter version: made it way too complicated.
I had the same issue. I was hung up on the word "area" in the category, and to me, Gaul was too big to be an "area" - I was thinking along the same lines as you.

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Post by Bamaman » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:18 pm

mikebdoss wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:24 pm
Elijah Baley wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:35 pm
Embarrassed to admit that the Celtic reference had me thinking Brittany, and then I was trying to come up with what region would include Belgium and Aquitaine, compounded by thinking of "area" as being some discrete part of a country, which resulted in "Normandy." (The fact that Aquitaine is not remotely where I thought it was didn't help).

Shorter version: made it way too complicated.
That's why they divided it into three parts.

I had the same issue. I was hung up on the word "area" in the category, and to me, Gaul was too big to be an "area" - I was thinking along the same lines as you.
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Post by davey » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:21 pm

This Is Kirk! wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:30 pm
clt013 wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:21 am
teapot37 wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:02 pm
Hmm, I seem to be the only person who has never heard that Caesar quote before. I didn't have a chance.
I'll join you in that club - "NHO" that quote either.
I got as far as "western Europe" based on the groups named, but couldn't pull Gaul.
Does anyone know why the quote is famous in the first place? It seems like a pretty innocuous quote to be one that Caesar is remembered for.
I believe our friends who've had Latin class will tell us that the work is a common reading and translation exercise. I think I've come across it as part of a Latin class in some movie or (English-language) literary work (Goodbye, Mr. Chips?)

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Post by opusthepenguin » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:35 pm

Woof wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:19 pm
Opening lines are often memorable. Can anyone name another line from Anna Karenina apart from "All happy families are alike"
"Happy families are all alike" is the more usual rendering, I think. But it's a translation from the Russian, so the judges are giving it to you.

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Re: Monday, October 9, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by AFRET CMS » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:36 pm

davey wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:21 pm
This Is Kirk! wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:30 pm
clt013 wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:21 am
teapot37 wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:02 pm
Hmm, I seem to be the only person who has never heard that Caesar quote before. I didn't have a chance.
I'll join you in that club - "NHO" that quote either.
I got as far as "western Europe" based on the groups named, but couldn't pull Gaul.
Does anyone know why the quote is famous in the first place? It seems like a pretty innocuous quote to be one that Caesar is remembered for.
I believe our friends who've had Latin class will tell us that the work is a common reading and translation exercise. I think I've come across it as part of a Latin class in some movie or (English-language) literary work (Goodbye, Mr. Chips?)
"Back in the day" translating Caesar's Commentaries was a semester-long project for second-year high school Latin. The opening line "Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres" ("Gaul is a whole divided into three parts") is so close to many English words that it's not too intimidating, and the entire first chapter can be read with about 50% comprehension by someone with no knowledge of Latin besides a strong English vocabulary.

And as Woof mentioned, it's an oft-quoted opening line, almost as familiar as "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times" or "It was a bright cold day in April and the clocks were striking thirteen."
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Re: Monday, October 9, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by John Boy » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:48 pm

Austin Powers wrote:
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Austin 2 has faced 20 opponents. Among those 20 there's been 3 correct FJ answers.
As a certain game show host would say, "Ooooooooohhhhhh!"

I knew they weren't doing very well in that area, but had no idea it was that bad. I think I'm 8 or 9 right in the 10 games. Last night was (IMO) a nice job by the writers: Not likely to be a quote anyone had ever read, but enough TOM that you could intuit "Gallic Wars." In other words, the Goldilocks Zone for difficulty: not a 3-way Instaget easy-peasy clue and not ridiculously ungettable; just enough to separate the good contestant(s) from the not-so-good ones.

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Post by John Boy » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:51 pm

Ironhorse wrote:
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The cicada question took me back to 1998, when I was biking across Missouri as part of Boy Scouts. That was the summer the 13 year and 17 year cicada cycles coincided, and they made sleep rather difficult in my tent!
Are the judges in agreement that locusts and cicadas are not the same, and that locusts would be negged here? I also said locust.

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Re: Monday, October 9, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by John Boy » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:57 pm

Woof wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:19 pm
econgator wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:40 pm
This Is Kirk! wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:30 pm
clt013 wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:21 am
teapot37 wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:02 pm
Hmm, I seem to be the only person who has never heard that Caesar quote before. I didn't have a chance.
I'll join you in that club - "NHO" that quote either.
I got as far as "western Europe" based on the groups named, but couldn't pull Gaul.
Does anyone know why the quote is famous in the first place? It seems like a pretty innocuous quote to be one that Caesar is remembered for.
It's no Veni, vidi, vici or Alea iacta est, that's for sure. I suspect it's 'famous' only because Caesar wrote it. If someone else wrote that book, then it wouldn't be remembered at all.
Opening lines are often memorable. Can anyone name another line from Anna Karenina apart from "All happy families are alike" or another line from Moby-Dick apart from "Call me Ishmael?"
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Re: Monday, October 9, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by opusthepenguin » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:58 pm

Woof wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:19 pm
Opening lines are often memorable. Can anyone name another line from Anna Karenina apart from "All happy families are alike" or another line from Moby-Dick apart from "Call me Ishmael?"
"To the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee."

I still get chills picturing Count Vronsky yelling that at the train.

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