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Wednesday, October 18, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Re: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Re: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by theFJguy » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:14 pm

FINAL JEOPARDY! CATEGORY
HISTORIC CONNECTIONS

FINAL JEOPARDY! CLUE
A 1796 medical experiment with an English farm girl ultimately led to this breakthrough announced in Geneva May 8, 1980

Manny Abell: 19000-17000=2000
Joanna Kimmitt: 9600+399=9999 (New Champ)
Chelsea Feltman: 9200-401=8799

Correct response:
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eradication of smallpox (Manny – in-vitro) (Chelsea – chickenpox vaccine)

Daily Doubles
Chelsea: 2200-800
Chelsea: 5400-3000
Manny: 11600+5000

Coryats
Manny: 15600
Joanna: 9600
Chelsea: 13000

Combined: 38,200

Scores at the end of the Jeopardy! Round:
Manny: 6000
Joanna: 4000
Chelsea: 3800

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Re: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by MarkBarrett » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:15 pm

Alex’s suit & tie today was the one he wore for saying the Ken Jennings remark about Austin in the S34 promo.

I went London Eye for the Millennium Wheel and know I don’t have to check with the judges for that one.

CHUCK BERRY $200: Chuck was born in this Missouri city in 1926 & passed away nearby in 2017

Where’s my hand-holding hint, writers? It could literally be any city! How am I supposed to know? Oh, that’s right. It’s first box. What is St. Louis for +$200 on my scoresheet.

DD1 was a nasty trap hiding a sports clue in BOOK-POURRI and that was the start of Chelsea going 0/3 on big clues.

The FJ! was another of those no chance Marktiple Choices for me as I was looking at cloning and human genome project on my paper. Some of the previous Archive hits show how I should have been able to figure it out in 30 seconds:

#6894, aired 2014-07-31 MEDICAL HISTORY $400: In 1980 this medical organization, the W.H.O., announced that smallpox had been eradicated worldwide
#5855, aired 2010-02-12 MICROBIOLOGY MILESTONES $1,000 (Daily Double): By 1980 a global vaccination effort led to the virtual eradication of this, the only time that's been done to a germ
#4662, aired 2004-12-07 LET'S GET SMALL $200: In 1980 the World Heath Organization announced the eradication of this viral disease
#1887, aired 1992-11-17 HEALTH & MEDICINE $1,500 (Daily Double): Due to successful vaccines, this viral disease was finally declared extinct in 1980

There is no way Manny could have felt HISTORIC CONNECTIONS was some kind of wheelhouse. He went for a GBOGH (go big or go home) and will do the latter. Ouch for him and a nice gift for Joanna. That is not the standard way to make a sole solve of the FJ! clue pay off.

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Re: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by PanthersFan1 » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:26 pm

Bad Wager Alert!!

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Re: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by OntarioQuizzer » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:28 pm

PanthersFan1 wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:26 pm
Bad Wager Alert!!
Are posts like this truly necessary?
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Re: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by StevenH » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:40 pm

I guessed heart transplant on FJ. If the date in the clue was from the 1970s I maybe would have gotten it.

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Re: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by PanthersFan1 » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:42 pm

OntarioQuizzer wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:28 pm
PanthersFan1 wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:26 pm
Bad Wager Alert!!
Are posts like this truly necessary?
Yes.
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Re: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Elijah Baley » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:51 pm

OntarioQuizzer wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:28 pm
PanthersFan1 wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:26 pm
Bad Wager Alert!!
Are posts like this truly necessary?
I think Manny would admit that it was a pretty crazy bad wager. And odd given his fairly conservative approach up until now. Maybe he was shipping out in the morning? :) It's been a strange start to this season to have what seems like an incredible number of questionable (at best) wagers.

And I thought that this FJ was easy to get from the reference to a medical experiment related to farming, i.e., cowpox ---> smallpox vaccination.

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Re: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by OntarioQuizzer » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:56 pm

Elijah Baley wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:51 pm
OntarioQuizzer wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:28 pm
PanthersFan1 wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:26 pm
Bad Wager Alert!!
Are posts like this truly necessary?
I think Manny would admit that it was a pretty crazy bad wager.
Regardless of whether or not that is the case, do we really need to rub a contestant's nose in it?
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Re: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by PanthersFan1 » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:04 pm

OntarioQuizzer wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:56 pm
Elijah Baley wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:51 pm
OntarioQuizzer wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:28 pm
PanthersFan1 wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:26 pm
Bad Wager Alert!!
Are posts like this truly necessary?
I think Manny would admit that it was a pretty crazy bad wager.
Regardless of whether or not that is the case, do we really need to rub a contestant's nose in it?
I was not trying to do that at all I was just joking around.

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Re: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by OntarioQuizzer » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:09 pm

PanthersFan1 wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:04 pm
OntarioQuizzer wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:56 pm

Regardless of whether or not that is the case, do we really need to rub a contestant's nose in it?
I was not trying to do that at all I was just joking around.
If that's a joke, I certainly did not find it funny.
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Re: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Elijah Baley » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:21 pm

OntarioQuizzer wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:56 pm
Elijah Baley wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:51 pm
OntarioQuizzer wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:28 pm
PanthersFan1 wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:26 pm
Bad Wager Alert!!
Are posts like this truly necessary?
I think Manny would admit that it was a pretty crazy bad wager.
Regardless of whether or not that is the case, do we really need to rub a contestant's nose in it?
This seems a little meta for a game thread, but unless things have changed, comments on good and bad wagers seem completely appropriate. The same thing applies to really bad guesses, particularly on FJ. And I don't think it's anything that Manny (for example) isn't going to hear from friends, family, co-workers, etc.

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Re: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Golf » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:22 pm

theFJguy wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:14 pm
Manny Abell: 19000-17000=2000
Joanna Kimmitt: 9600+399=9999 (New Champ)
Chelsea Feltman: 9200-401=8799
Chelsea was in an interesting spot. With proper wagering from the leader, she had no chance. However, while Manny needs to wager $201 to cover Joanna, he cannot wager more than $599 to let her into the game. That's a very small window for a contestant who has not shown the ability to maximize winning chances. In many of these cases the leader would wager $1000 (typical round number) thereby letting Chelsea into the game.

But she obviously played for 2nd place, and given a different scenario such as an obvious lockout, there wouldn't be any problem with this. But this is a case where the optimal wagering window is just so small that you have to forgo the extra $1k for 2nd place to try a backdoor victory.

Joanna simply didn't try to win the game with her wager. Would be interesting to have a poll as to which wager was better between Manny and Joanna.

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Re: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Golf » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:26 pm

Elijah Baley wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:21 pm
This seems a little meta for a game thread, but unless things have changed, comments on good and bad wagers seem completely appropriate. The same thing applies to really bad guesses, particularly on FJ. And I don't think it's anything that Manny (for example) isn't going to hear from friends, family, co-workers, etc.
Agreed. We make comments on good play, we make comments on poor play. It's a two way street. For example, Joanna made a good sole solve in FJ while making a poor wager.

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Re: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by OntarioQuizzer » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:31 pm

Golf wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:26 pm
Elijah Baley wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:21 pm
This seems a little meta for a game thread, but unless things have changed, comments on good and bad wagers seem completely appropriate. The same thing applies to really bad guesses, particularly on FJ. And I don't think it's anything that Manny (for example) isn't going to hear from friends, family, co-workers, etc.
Agreed. We make comments on good play, we make comments on poor play. It's a two way street. For example, Joanna made a good sole solve in FJ while making a poor wager.
And there's a big difference between your well-reasoned commentary today and the straight "BAD WAGER ALERT" out of PanthersFan1. Your post actually has substance to it.
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Re: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Bamaman » Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:23 pm

I got FJ before the music started but it would have been tough to puzzle out if you didn't know the story behind it. Even worse. "eradication of smallpox" is a lot to scribble down if you figure it out late in the allotted time.

Anybody else shout "HEY YOU GUYS!!!!!" for the Electric Company opening? Disappointed there was no clue about Morgan Freeman.

Joanna's not figuring out they want silent e cost Chelsea a chance to win.

I'm not sure what to think about the wagers. Manny's wagers have been all over the map in FJ. He failed to make the MSB in his first game and made a non-conventional (but still enough to lock out second) bet in his second. He did make a good wager yesterday. I wonder if Joanna made a math error and thought she was locked out. As Golf said, Chelsea was locked out if he makes the MSB. But it is a small window and if he goes for our old friend, the nice round number of $20,000 with just a few extra bucks in the pot, she is back in the game. At least she was rewarded with the extra $1,000 for making a proper bet.

On a side note, Chelsea won more today than Manny won from his final two games combined.

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Re: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by hbomb1947 » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:13 pm

Golf wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:22 pm
theFJguy wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:14 pm
Manny Abell: 19000-17000=2000
Joanna Kimmitt: 9600+399=9999 (New Champ)
Chelsea Feltman: 9200-401=8799
Joanna simply didn't try to win the game with her wager. Would be interesting to have a poll as to which wager was better between Manny and Joanna.
Manny's was probably marginally better if he expected both of his opponents to go all-in in the crush scenario, which was a rational expectation; if they had, he would have won on a TS.

And BTW, I think it's entirely appropriate to say that it's upsetting to see a contestant who has been given a very coveted opportunity to be on the show make an FJ wager that isn't even attempting to win the game. (And the fact that said contestant managed to win the game due to another player's improvident wager doesn't change that. Kudos to that contestant for her sole solve on a tricky FJ, though.)

Instaget FJ here. The year of 1796 led me immediately to Jenner's smallpox vaccine, and 1980 sounded about right for the WHO's announcement of the elimination of the disease.

I had never heard the London Eye called the Millennium Wheel before (and it probably hasn't been in a long time). I learned something new from this episode! (BTW, annoyingly, that wheel is now branded as the Coca-Cola London Eye.)
Bamaman wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:23 pm
Anybody else shout "HEY YOU GUYS!!!!!" for the Electric Company opening?
I did! Oh, and I thought the "silent e" clue was mean, especially for a top-box clue. ETA: MarkBarrett, can you poll the "silent e" clue?
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Re: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Ironhorse » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:30 pm

So is the consensus that Joanna was playing for second? If so, I wonder if she miscalculated and thought Manny had a runaway.

I didn't know what to make of this particular FJ. I came up with "stem cell research" with no confidence whatsoever.
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Re: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by NoWhammies10 » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:05 pm

Coryat: $24,600
DDs: 1/3
FJ!: :(

London Eye for Millennium Wheel.

The Electric Company category was fun. Poll request: "I shouted 'HEY YOU GUYS!!!' as in the original show on the relevant clue."

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