Friday, October 20, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Re: Friday, October 20, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by chmmr » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:57 pm

I can't believe Alex has never heard of Seaborgium. I also can't believe there hasn't been a clue about it. Now I'm wondering if Seaborgium was on the periodic table when Alex was in grade school.


Edit: looks like it was discovered in 1974. I dread the day I go on Jeopardy and they have a clue about Copernicium or something.

Double edit: forgot about the Nihonium clue yesterday. Looks like the writers are starting to go deep on the periodic table :)
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Re: Friday, October 20, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Volante » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:02 pm

chmmr wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:57 pm
I can't believe Alex has never heard of Seaborgium. I also can't believe there hasn't been a clue about it. Now I'm wondering if Seaborgium was on the periodic table when Alex was in grade school.


Edit: looks like it was discovered in 1974. I dread the day I go on Jeopardy and they have a clue about Copernicium or something.
Discovered in 1974, but named in 1997.
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Re: Friday, October 20, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by sims » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:08 pm

seaborgium wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:41 pm


He's saying you're the only one who's done the minimum cover wager without offering a tie.
Sorry if I'm being dense but why would you want to tie? You'd have to do a tiebreaker and I'd rather just win outright.

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Re: Friday, October 20, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by seaborgium » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:10 pm

chmmr wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:57 pm
I can't believe Alex has never heard of Seaborgium.
I was at the College Championship taping where Amanda J. Ray asked Alex about me it from the audience. She mentioned it in her blog on the J! site, and it's archived here.

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Re: Friday, October 20, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by seaborgium » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:12 pm

sims wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:08 pm
seaborgium wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:41 pm


He's saying you're the only one who's done the minimum cover wager without offering a tie.
Sorry if I'm being dense but why would you want to tie? You'd have to do a tiebreaker and I'd rather just win outright.
He's not saying you did anything wrong! Just that you're the only one this month who has covered by exactly a dollar.

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Re: Friday, October 20, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by OSXpert » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:19 pm

Sorry for the bad pun, but I through a Hail Mary (I) on FJ to make this week a rare 5/5 for me.

I'm weak on British monarchs, but I knew Elizabeth was towards the end of the 16th century, and Victoria was much much later, so Mary I was the best I could come up with.

The $200 wager from second was... interesting.

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Re: Friday, October 20, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by MattKnowles » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:29 pm

Would "Queen Mary" be accepted as a response? I thought about Mary and Elizabeth for that time period and thought Mary was married to Philip who sounded like a Habsburg. I didn't even think of putting Tudor/Bloody/I in my response. It would have been easier if I had thought of Elizabeth as the Virgin Queen.

I'm guessing none of those contestants visit this board or they would have answered Seaborgium correctly. My spellchecker flags Seaborgium as which is pretty ridiculous. The elements should be included in a spellchecker dictionary.

Wait, is it spelled Habsburg or Hapsburg? I thought it was Hapsburg and when I looked it up it was Habsburg but my spellchecker is flagging Habsburg but not Hapsburg.
sims wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:08 pm
seaborgium wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:41 pm
He's saying you're the only one who's done the minimum cover wager without offering a tie.
Sorry if I'm being dense but why would you want to tie? You'd have to do a tiebreaker and I'd rather just win outright.
You're the only person this month who has wagered optimally from that position.
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Do you folks think "Bloody Mary" would have counted as a correct response? That's what I wrote down at home. (I wasn't 100% sure what her regnal number was, but probably would have guessed "the first" if forced to.)
Yes, that would definitely count.
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Re: Friday, October 20, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Volante » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:57 pm

MattKnowles wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:29 pm
Wait, is it spelled Habsburg or Hapsburg? I thought it was Hapsburg and when I looked it up it was Habsburg but my spellchecker is flagging Habsburg but not Hapsburg.
Both.

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Post by Lefty » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:04 am

MattKnowles wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:29 pm
Would "Queen Mary" be accepted as a response?
skullturf wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:00 pm
Do you folks think "Bloody Mary" would have counted as a correct response? That's what I wrote down at home. (I wasn't 100% sure what her regnal number was, but probably would have guessed "the first" if forced to.)
Yes, that would definitely count.
Just to add the weight of my own august judgment, yes. And it's good practice to answer name with epithet whenever you are not absolutely sure of the regnal number.

I would certainly not accept Queen Mary. Even Mary I is problematic (though I'd accept it. I'm not that hardassed), because Mary, Queen of Scots, is also "Mary I" among Scottish monarchs, and as has been pointed out, "British" does not denote English rather than Scottish. The Act of Union was still in the future.
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Re: Friday, October 20, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Ironhorse » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:26 am

Keep an eye out for the newest addition to the periodic table, tennessine. Californium is no longer alone.
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Post by Volante » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:35 am

Ironhorse wrote:
Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:26 am
Keep an eye out for the newest addition to the periodic table, tennessine. Californium is no longer alone.
Well, one of the newest:
Nihonium and symbol Nh, for the element 113 - Only element with a proposed name from the Japanese (Nihon = Japan)
Moscovium and symbol Mc, for the element 115 - Moscow
Tennessine and symbol Ts, for the element 117 - Tennessee
Oganesson and symbol Og, for the element 118 - Yuri Oganessian, a Russian chemist.

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Re: Friday, October 20, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by dinghammer » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:48 am

I know some things about some British monarchs, but Mary isn't one of them. So ends my FJ streak at 19.

I got seaborgium just after time ran out.

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Re: Friday, October 20, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Bamaman » Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:02 am

I got spoiled on FJ when I clicked on the TPH thread before seeing this game but I’ll count it.

Someone asked about studying British monarchs. They are a good thing to know as they come up a lot. If you know their order and an idea of when they served and what they did of note you are in good shape. The Horrible History videos on YouTube are a good place to start.

Tom didn’t get the photography clue so of course his interview was about photography.

I didn’t know that last clue for certain but it was my guess. I would have rung in on the show if the money mattered.

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Post by nlw44 » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:50 pm

Jasper wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:03 pm
It seems that to have any staying power as a Jeopardy! champion, one needs to know something about the history of British royalty extending back several centuries. I am curious; how do successful players know such information? My schooling (large city public and parochial schools) did not touch this topic. Nor did any of my college classes. But this topic seems to surface regularly.

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Not that i am a successful player YET, but here is an idea that I find helpful when learning lists of information - start with a few landmarks that are really easy and then work backwards and forwards from those, with LOTS of repetition whenever you have a spare couple of minutes.

In this case, think of ... (spoilered for those who really don't care)
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Alfred/late 800s
Edward the Confessor/William I "The Conqueror" before and after 1066, respectively
Richard I "The Lionhearted" late 1100s and his brother/successor (think Robin Hood) John (Magna Carta, 1215)
Edward I before and after 1300 (think "Braveheart" and William Wallace)
Richard III, 1485 - famous Shakespeare play, "My kingdom for a horse," Bosworth Field
Henry VIII, most of the first half of the 1500s
his three children for the rest of the 1500s, Edward VI, Mary I and particularly Elizabeth I
Charles I and Charles II on either side of the English Civil War and Oliver Cromwell of the 1650s
introduction of the Hanovers with four Georges in a row from early 1700s to early 1800s
Victoria basically for the last 2/3 of the 1800s
Edward VII/George V/Edward VIII/George VI - alternating
current Elizabeth II from 1952.

If this looks like too much to start, then reduce your starting point even more. Once you know your landmarks really well, you can slowly add in more names and details.
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Re: Friday, October 20, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Woof » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:31 pm

Ironhorse wrote:
Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:26 am
Keep an eye out for the newest addition to the periodic table, tennessine. Californium is no longer alone.
And you couldn't have posted this two weeks ago so that I wouldn't have answered "1" for the number of elements named after US states in pub quiz back then?? :mrgreen:

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Post by dhkendall » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:47 pm

nlw44 wrote:
Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:50 pm
Jasper wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:03 pm
It seems that to have any staying power as a Jeopardy! champion, one needs to know something about the history of British royalty extending back several centuries. I am curious; how do successful players know such information? My schooling (large city public and parochial schools) did not touch this topic. Nor did any of my college classes. But this topic seems to surface regularly.

Jasper
Not that i am a successful player YET, but here is an idea that I find helpful when learning lists of information - start with a few landmarks that are really easy and then work backwards and forwards from those, with LOTS of repetition whenever you have a spare couple of minutes.

In this case, think of ... (spoilered for those who really don't care)
SpoilerShow
Alfred/late 800s
Edward the Confessor/William I "The Conqueror" before and after 1066, respectively
Richard I "The Lionhearted" late 1100s and his brother/successor (think Robin Hood) John (Magna Carta, 1215)
Edward I before and after 1300 (think "Braveheart" and William Wallace)
Richard III, 1485 - famous Shakespeare play, "My kingdom for a horse," Bosworth Field
Henry VIII, most of the first half of the 1500s
his three children for the rest of the 1500s, Edward VI, Mary I and particularly Elizabeth I
Charles I and Charles II on either side of the English Civil War and Oliver Cromwell of the 1650s
introduction of the Hanovers with four Georges in a row from early 1700s to early 1800s
Victoria basically for the last 2/3 of the 1800s
Edward VII/George V/Edward VIII/George VI - alternating
current Elizabeth II from 1952.

If this looks like too much to start, then reduce your starting point even more. Once you know your landmarks really well, you can slowly add in more names and details.
I’ve used a similar method in trying to memorize the presidents, I’m starting with every fourth one (Madison, Van Buren, Taylor, etc.), which makes it an easier list of 11. It helps that there are some particularly well known presidents in that list (Lincoln, Reagan, Cleveland, FDR, Obama). Then it’s mainly just a case of learning the two before and the two after each of them. Easy to break down.

Perhaps this method works because there are approximately as many Presidents in history as there have been English monarchs since 1066.
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Post by opusthepenguin » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:58 pm

dhkendall wrote:
Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:47 pm
I’ve used a similar method in trying to memorize the presidents, I’m starting with every fourth one (Madison, Van Buren, Taylor, etc.), which makes it an easier list of 11. It helps that there are some particularly well known presidents in that list (Lincoln, Reagan, Cleveland, FDR, Obama). Then it’s mainly just a case of learning the two before and the two after each of them. Easy to break down.
A similar method might be to start with presidents who died in office. If you get those dates down, then move to who their succeeding veep was, that's 16 guys right there. Then it's easier to fill in the blanks. It helps that the longest strings of blanks are at the beginning (which most people have studied a little more and find easier to remember) and the end (where you can rely on your living memory for some if not all).

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Post by BigDaddyMatty » Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:26 am

Coryat: $30,600
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British royalty is one of those subjects that I keep meaning to study and then not getting around to it. I went with Queen Anne, who turned out to be a century too late.
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Post by Wheatley » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:37 pm

Ran "Dysphemisms." Lach Trash: 13 Reasons Why, Book of Mormon, France. Kathleen's buzzer game was on point, but I miss Austin's big wagers on DD's,
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Post by jeff6286 » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:29 pm

Surprised nobody picked up on what I did in the clue. The wording seemed like an obvious hint to me: Queen of Naples...Queen of Jerusalem...Queen of Scots!

Turned out they BOTH married a European crown princes in the middle of the century, one of Spain, one of France. Tough clue!

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