Monday, November 6, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]
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Re: Monday, November 6, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]
On FJ, I immediately went to what was the right answer. But then I had to pause and do the math. I've been tripped up multiple times because I didn't take the time to do that bit of cipherin'. When the math worked out, I stuck with the answer even though it seemed way too easy. Plus I didn't have any other alternative.
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Re: Monday, November 6, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]
College Championship definitely isn't. You can call it eye alliteration if you want (kind of like "eye rhymes" such as cough and dough). But the initial SOUNDS do not alliterate. However, as you note, the J! writers don't understand this. Their game, their rules. I'll be happy to play by those rules any time they invite me.dhkendall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:10 pmThere's a few pedants here who would say that one of these is not alliteration.Volante wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:58 pmAlliteration is Awesome.Jasper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:41 pm I take it that the ToC takes place every two years (I believe that the last ToC was in 2015, with Alex Jacob the winner). Is that why the 2017 lineup includes the College Championship winners and the Teachers Tournament winners for both last year and this year?
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P.S. Why is one called the College Championship and the other the Teachers Tournament when both have the same format?
(I'd say they both are by what has been accepted as alliteration by J! if I recall right. Whether that really is alliteration or not ... )
Unless you were talking about Alliteration is Awesome. That definitely alliterates, not only by the rules of J! but by the rules of Anglo Saxon alliterative verse. In fact, in Anglo Saxon verse, all vowels alliterate together. So Alliteration is Excellent would also count. But I wouldn't bet a nickel on a contestant winning an appeal with this argument after giving an unexpected response in an alliteration category. I do wonder how the judges would rule on a response like Awesome Occam, assuming it was otherwise valid. The vowel sounds are the same (or close enough). It's just the letter representing that sound that changes.
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Re: Monday, November 6, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]
Unless I know which one, I'm clamming. The potential downside of guessing wrong is twice as large as the upside of guessing right. I can only gain the value of the clue, but I can lose the value of the clue AND give that value to my opponent on an easy rebound. Let someone else ring in on that negative expected value and I'LL pick up the rebound points, thankyewverymuch.9021amyers wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:06 pm Surprised that the “Cave Wars” clue was an S&S. Given it’s a cave that’s a national park narrows it down to a 50-50 chance between Mammoth Cave or Carlsbad Caverns.
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He's definitely the pavlov for it. Dante Gabriel Rossetti also comes to mind as a poet and painter who sometimes created paintings to go with his poems and vice versa. But Blake actually mixed the things on the same page, creating his own plates with text and art together.
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Re: Monday, November 6, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]
The Cave Wars are pretty famous, though. Many people have heard the story of Floyd Collins who died as a result of those wars.opusthepenguin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:09 pmUnless I know which one, I'm clamming. The potential downside of guessing wrong is twice as large as the upside of guessing right. I can only gain the value of the clue, but I can lose the value of the clue AND give that value to my opponent on an easy rebound. Let someone else ring in on that negative expected value and I'LL pick up the rebound points, thankyewverymuch.9021amyers wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:06 pm Surprised that the “Cave Wars” clue was an S&S. Given it’s a cave that’s a national park narrows it down to a 50-50 chance between Mammoth Cave or Carlsbad Caverns.
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"In the 1700s" is how the clue begins. And yeah that illustration is definitely a contender for his most famous. Maybe this would be another contender. Not sure if there's a third.This Is Kirk! wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:20 pmAnd the image shown is probably his single most famous illustration.
I could have sworn the clue said something about the 17th century, though, and that threw me a little. Maybe I misheard.
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Re: Monday, November 6, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]
Fun fact: My favorite recording of the 1812 Overture uses real cannons, real church bells, and has a choir singing an English translation of the Russian hymn tune that begins the piece. (The overture as written doesn't involve a choir singing in any language. So this isn't just translating something that Tchaikovsky already wrote. It's a cheerful leaning into the overture's vulgar excess. That's the right move, in my opinion, and it works wonderfully. This is not a subtle and restrained piece of music.)
Anyway, the first line of the overture in this version is, "Mighty Lord, preserve us from Jeopardy!"
You can give it a listen here if you want:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3ZMpv9CnZk
Anyway, the first line of the overture in this version is, "Mighty Lord, preserve us from Jeopardy!"
You can give it a listen here if you want:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3ZMpv9CnZk
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Re: Monday, November 6, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]
Borodino actually cued to me Russia before the date did; Alexander Borodin was a Russian composer who wrote the classical piece from which the pop song "Stranger in Paradise" was derived. My chain went "Russian? Early 1800s? Tchaikovsky? Has to be 1812 Overture." Not quite instant, but it got me there.This Is Kirk! wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:50 pmDefinitely a lot of music clues tonight. My wife accused them of feeding Buzzy.MarkBarrett wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:00 pm Ammo for the conspiracy buffs with Buzzy the music executive getting a FJ! category of MUSIC & HISTORY.
My first instinct on FJ was the 1812 Overture, but Borodino just didn't sound Russian to me so I said "Carmen." Pretty terrible guess, but oh well.
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We seem to be of a similar era; I got sidetracked because of the Falcon Futura model Ford produced in the 1960s. If memory serves, it was a sportier version of the basic Falcon. Which meant I neglected the clue's category title until it was too late.goatman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:25 pm WTG Buzzy! Sorry Hunter ouch! J! loves to call up the more obscure artists and poets in these tournaments... tough break.
45R for goats. Instaget FJ. LT (Not much!): Martina Navratilova ex: Prague, CZ; Anatolia > Hittites; MDD: Wm Blake "painter poet"; I offered Coleridge for Poe on Tamurlane, however! DOH!
No get on Ford Futura > Fusion. AT a bit arro on that clue IMHO, IDK WLT "Ford" from "Detroit Auto Show" LOL!
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Re: Monday, November 6, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]
I was leaning heavily on J! rules / eye alliteration, not the dictionary definition.opusthepenguin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:07 pm College Championship definitely isn't. You can call it eye alliteration if you want (kind of like "eye rhymes" such as cough and dough). But the initial SOUNDS do not alliterate. However, as you note, the J! writers don't understand this. Their game, their rules. I'll be happy to play by those rules any time they invite me.
Didn't they also give you '1920s' in the clue? I feel they gave a year on that one too...davey wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:40 pmThe Cave Wars are pretty famous, though. Many people have heard the story of Floyd Collins who died as a result of those wars.opusthepenguin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:09 pmUnless I know which one, I'm clamming. The potential downside of guessing wrong is twice as large as the upside of guessing right. I can only gain the value of the clue, but I can lose the value of the clue AND give that value to my opponent on an easy rebound. Let someone else ring in on that negative expected value and I'LL pick up the rebound points, thankyewverymuch.9021amyers wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:06 pm Surprised that the “Cave Wars” clue was an S&S. Given it’s a cave that’s a national park narrows it down to a 50-50 chance between Mammoth Cave or Carlsbad Caverns.
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Re: Monday, November 6, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]
My favourite performance was one I saw in person about 20 years ago when the Winnipeg Symphony Orchestra performed the 1812 Overture to close out a free outdoor concert. They had real cannons courtesy a unit of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry that operated them, real fireworks, and real church bells courtesy the St. Boniface Basilica about half a mile away across the river. That was something to see live, no performance without the real McCoys will cut it.opusthepenguin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:49 pm Fun fact: My favorite recording of the 1812 Overture uses real cannons, real church bells, and has a choir singing an English translation of the Russian hymn tune that begins the piece. (The overture as written doesn't involve a choir singing in any language. So this isn't just translating something that Tchaikovsky already wrote. It's a cheerful leaning into the overture's vulgar excess. That's the right move, in my opinion, and it works wonderfully. This is not a subtle and restrained piece of music.)
Anyway, the first line of the overture in this version is, "Mighty Lord, preserve us from Jeopardy!"
You can give it a listen here if you want:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3ZMpv9CnZk
The 1812 Overture is one of my favourite pieces (and not just because it has two national anthems sampled in it, the French “La Marseillaise” and the Russian “God Save the Czar” near the end. Fun fact, neither of those songs were the national anthems of their respective countries in 1812, but they were in 1880, when it was composed! (That’s partly how I got this Final, but I still did the math to be sure))
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Re: Monday, November 6, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]
LOL CMS! Yeah somehow I envisioned the Falcon but then wondered why I got that impression- took long enough to run out the buzzer, so no get.AFRET CMS wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:07 pmWe seem to be of a similar era; I got sidetracked because of the Falcon Futura model Ford produced in the 1960s. If memory serves, it was a sportier version of the basic Falcon. Which meant I neglected the clue's category title until it was too late.goatman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:25 pm WTG Buzzy! Sorry Hunter ouch! J! loves to call up the more obscure artists and poets in these tournaments... tough break.
45R for goats. Instaget FJ. LT (Not much!): Martina Navratilova ex: Prague, CZ; Anatolia > Hittites; MDD: Wm Blake "painter poet"; I offered Coleridge for Poe on Tamurlane, however! DOH!
No get on Ford Futura > Fusion. AT a bit arro on that clue IMHO, IDK WLT "Ford" from "Detroit Auto Show" LOL!
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Re: Monday, November 6, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]
Coryat: $27,400
37 R/2 W
DD: 1/3
FJ:
LT: the Silver Bullet Band, the Melody Makers, Prague, Ford Fusion, Square Pegs, Celestine
I understand that music likely makes up a very large portion of Buzzy's daily life, but that FJ! wager was nuts. On a related note, I'm surprised he didn't know Bob Seger's and Ziggy Marley's backing bands.
37 R/2 W
DD: 1/3
FJ:
LT: the Silver Bullet Band, the Melody Makers, Prague, Ford Fusion, Square Pegs, Celestine
I understand that music likely makes up a very large portion of Buzzy's daily life, but that FJ! wager was nuts. On a related note, I'm surprised he didn't know Bob Seger's and Ziggy Marley's backing bands.
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