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Re: Monday, November 13, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by acthomas » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:47 pm

zerobandwidth wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:34 pm
I wonder if the judges would have accepted "ascetic" for "mendicant" in that Franciscan clue.
I was wondering the same thing. The wording was: "Like Dominicans, Franciscans are this type of order known for poverty", and that's just enough in favor of "order" that I have a feeling it wouldn't take.

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Re: Monday, November 13, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by tiwonge » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:50 pm

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Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:34 pm
I wonder if the judges would have accepted "ascetic" for "mendicant" in that Franciscan clue.
Mendicant is a technical term that describes an order that takes vows of poverty (not just the individuals, but the whole order). Thus, these orders (or the members of these orders) have to beg for their sustenance. Ascetic is not the same thing, and just applies to individuals, and not orders. (As far as I know, there's no vow of asceticism or anything, either.) Mendicant is usually used to describe an order, and ascetic an individual.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10183c.htm

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Re: Monday, November 13, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by CasketRomance » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:54 pm

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You could've spotted me Robert Browning poem, children's story and German village and I still wouldn't have come up with Hannibal Hamlin. Had completely forgotten he was Lincoln's first VP.

Glad to see Austin move on. He's my favorite contestant this season. Was shocked that, on her DD, Lily seemed to instaget circumference then blurted out "radius." But she was the only one who missed FJ, so it ended up not costing her the game.
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Re: Monday, November 13, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by TenPoundHammer » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:07 pm

I would like to thank this FJ! for helping me get this one. At the time of the former, I had known the legend of the Pied Piper, but then, I didn't know the "of Hamelin" part at all. And going by that game's thread, I apparently wasn't alone.
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Re: Monday, November 13, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Plactus » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:16 pm

econgator wrote:
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hscer wrote:
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Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:27 pm
and 'missionary' for 'missions' was another nail in her coffin, she was correcting herself but AT had already ruled against.

This reminds me...Austin was given a lot of time to correct "Blues" to "Blue Jackets" in the first round. Perhaps too much?
I even thought I heard Alex say "no", but apparently not.
I heard it too and so was surprised he was allowed to reverse.

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Post by OntarioQuizzer » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:26 pm

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Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:40 pm
Lily should have been in the lead going into FJ had she taken her time and found the correct words for her DD. Not that it would have mattered.

Wasn't thrilled about Andrew's DJ DD wager in the bottom box. He started in row 3 and knew it, then didn't know row 4 before the DD. That should have been a warning bell, if he gets row 4 I like the wager without question. And let's face it, a $2k clue in the ToC isn't going to be easy. There was lots of time and dollars left on the board if he missed, but I can't help but wonder if this wasn't the time for a $5 wager. But perhaps he was trying to put the game away right then and there. I guess in the end that making an error on the aggressive side is almost always better than making an error on the passive side.
Look at it this way:

Remember, Andrew was in the Friday game. He was sequestered and did not see Austin's QF. All Andrew knows is that Austin's a 12-time champ having won 400K+. (read: juggernaut).

If you're up against a Ken Jennings type, in a good category for you, on a Daily Double, up 12000 to 6800, do you not go for the jugular, too?
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Re: Monday, November 13, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Woof » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:30 pm

Ouch! Andrew, that DD miss must've hurt. I agree that, in retrospect, that bet was probably overly aggressive, but it's the damn TOC and I'm trying to put Austin away before he gets hot and... damn. Austin has shown now that he can be outbuzzed, so I see problems if he faces Alan in the Finals. FJ was an instaget: German story, children, VP ---> Hamelin -----> Hamlin. That Kampala clue, though: once Alex id'd the beast as an impala, sure, but before that? I respectfully request a poll question about whether you got to Kampala before hearing impala, afterward or not at all. I was also surprised at the low combined Coryat. I'd expected more firepower out of this grouping.

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Re: Monday, November 13, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Golf » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:31 pm

Golf wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:40 pm
Lily should have been in the lead going into FJ had she taken her time and found the correct words for her DD. Not that it would have mattered.

Wasn't thrilled about Andrew's DJ DD wager in the bottom box. He started in row 3 and knew it, then didn't know row 4 before the DD. That should have been a warning bell, if he gets row 4 I like the wager without question. And let's face it, a $2k clue in the ToC isn't going to be easy. There was lots of time and dollars left on the board if he missed, but I can't help but wonder if this wasn't the time for a $5 wager. But perhaps he was trying to put the game away right then and there. I guess in the end that making an error on the aggressive side is almost always better than making an error on the passive side.
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Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:26 pm
Look at it this way:

Remember, Andrew was in the Friday game. He was sequestered and did not see Austin's QF. All Andrew knows is that Austin's a 12-time champ having won 400K+. (read: juggernaut).

If you're up against a Ken Jennings type, in a good category for you, on a Daily Double, up 12000 to 6800, do you not go for the jugular, too?
Those are good points, if you feel your opponent is far superior you have to wager big every chance you get. Just like Roger Craig against Brad and Ken.

That being said, all 12k is probably more optimal than 8k.

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Post by zerobandwidth » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:36 pm

tiwonge wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:50 pm
zerobandwidth wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:34 pm
I wonder if the judges would have accepted "ascetic" for "mendicant" in that Franciscan clue.
Mendicant is a technical term that describes an order that takes vows of poverty (not just the individuals, but the whole order). Thus, these orders (or the members of these orders) have to beg for their sustenance. Ascetic is not the same thing, and just applies to individuals, and not orders. (As far as I know, there's no vow of asceticism or anything, either.) Mendicant is usually used to describe an order, and ascetic an individual.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10183c.htm
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Re: Monday, November 13, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by twelvefootboy » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:41 pm

Sorry to see Lily go. How does she not know the Van Allen belts? The solar wind one was a good Clam. I liked her in the College tournament but her playing style and abruptness annoyed me. Now it just seems normal in this tournament and I enjoyed her energy. I think we've seen very little conventional category order play this TOC, except maybe after the DD's are found. Forrest bounce, all the time.

The FJ clue is a good one for trivia fans, but otherwise, any VP before Al Gore was just a footnote in history unless they got elevated to the POTUS and are pretty YEKIOYD'y. It's been historically just a ceremonial job to balance the ticket and mainly consisted of attending funerals of foreign leaders. (I'm not forgetting Sarah Palin's plans to go presidin' over the Senate). Or in somebody's words, the job wasn't worth a bucket of warm spit.

Austin will surely need to improve his Coryat and seems a longshot to win it all. He will need a pretty good stash to make that trip and I can't imagine shipping a vehicle to each port of call.
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Post by dhkendall » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:57 pm

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I would like to thank this FJ! for helping me get this one. At the time of the former, I had known the legend of the Pied Piper, but then, I didn't know the "of Hamelin" part at all. And going by that game's thread, I apparently wasn't alone.
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Post by Lefty » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:58 pm

opusthepenguin wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:47 pm

You can always remember Abe's first VP because it's included in his name. AbraHAM LINcoln.

Wow, that's awesome. I never noticed that.

Didn't watch, but I'm guessing Alex's hesitancy on "Blues" is because he only knows three or four NHL teams, and he thought maybe Blues was the short form for Blue Jackets.
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Post by Kenny » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:09 am

CasketRomance wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:54 pm
Kenny wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:30 pm
You could've spotted me Robert Browning poem, children's story and German village and I still wouldn't have come up with Hannibal Hamlin. Had completely forgotten he was Lincoln's first VP.

Glad to see Austin move on. He's my favorite contestant this season. Was shocked that, on her DD, Lily seemed to instaget circumference then blurted out "radius." But she was the only one who missed FJ, so it ended up not costing her the game.
totally forgot about him...only thing i know about him is he is the only vice president to have died on the 4th july

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Post by Cat Hammarskjold » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:12 am

CasketRomance wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:54 pm
Kenny wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:30 pm
You could've spotted me Robert Browning poem, children's story and German village and I still wouldn't have come up with Hannibal Hamlin. Had completely forgotten he was Lincoln's first VP.

Glad to see Austin move on. He's my favorite contestant this season. Was shocked that, on her DD, Lily seemed to instaget circumference then blurted out "radius." But she was the only one who missed FJ, so it ended up not costing her the game.
totally forgot about him...only thing i know about him is he is the only vice president to have died on the 4th july
John Adams and Thomas Jefferson had been vice presidents at one point.

It was sad to see Andrew go out the way he did, but he's still a really formidable contestant who just happened to have an unlucky DD.
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Post by Kenny » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:15 am

CasketRomance wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:54 pm
Kenny wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:30 pm
You could've spotted me Robert Browning poem, children's story and German village and I still wouldn't have come up with Hannibal Hamlin. Had completely forgotten he was Lincoln's first VP.

Glad to see Austin move on. He's my favorite contestant this season. Was shocked that, on her DD, Lily seemed to instaget circumference then blurted out "radius." But she was the only one who missed FJ, so it ended up not costing her the game.
totally forgot about him...only thing i know about him is he is the only vice president to have died on the 4th july
Only VP who did not become president. John Adams and Thomas Jefferson both were Vice Presidents and both died on July 4. In fact, they died on the same date.

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Post by davey » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:19 am

Lefty wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:58 pm
opusthepenguin wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:47 pm

You can always remember Abe's first VP because it's included in his name. AbraHAM LINcoln.

Wow, that's awesome. I never noticed that.

Didn't watch, but I'm guessing Alex's hesitancy on "Blues" is because he only knows three or four NHL teams, and he thought maybe Blues was the short form for Blue Jackets.
I don't think the pause is so unusual, and I don't know exactly how the red podium lights work, but Austin's are still on by the time he gets the full response out. It's not possible to know what Alex was saying, Austin drowns him out, he could have been starting Be more specific...

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Post by jeff6286 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:34 am

davey wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:19 am
Lefty wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:58 pm
opusthepenguin wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:47 pm

You can always remember Abe's first VP because it's included in his name. AbraHAM LINcoln.

Wow, that's awesome. I never noticed that.

Didn't watch, but I'm guessing Alex's hesitancy on "Blues" is because he only knows three or four NHL teams, and he thought maybe Blues was the short form for Blue Jackets.
I don't think the pause is so unusual, and I don't know exactly how the red podium lights work, but Austin's are still on by the time he gets the full response out. It's not possible to know what Alex was saying, Austin drowns him out, he could have been starting Be more specific...
Regardless of what Alex was saying or about to say, it's very unfair to the other players that Austin got to give two different answers. Getting the look/pause from Alex basically acts as a judgment, telling him his answer was wrong, so he changed it. Maybe his lights were still on and Alex hadn't technically ruled him incorrect, but a hesitation by Alex should not allow players to attempt multiple answers.

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Post by seaborgium » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:29 am

goatman wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:27 pm
Andrew offered a strong challenge but faded with some misses and too much guessing... :?
He had one miss outside his DD.

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Post by reddpen » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:35 am

Someone buy Kenny a vowel. I think he was saying "Nom nom nom."

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LT: magnet schools, Megadeth (burned in from an LL miss, I think), "Top of the World" (dear god, not the Carpenters--take it away, Fellows!), Roma Downey, rif(l)e, circumference. Felt bad for Lilly's blurt.

Two misses, both in J: Socrates and Plato for Plato and Aristotle, and Cleopatra for Nefertiti. The latter especially feels like 50/50/90 to me given how little I know about either woman. Any handy way to distinguish them? SPA keeps the Greeks in order for me.

Too many clams to list, but the one that irks me most is Rilke. Just didn't have the (cherry)stones to ring in at $2K off German poet.

Tough board tonight, I thought. Ended up with Coryat of 28K (38R 2W), mostly by staying clam. That's decent enough for a ToC board but well below what used to be my regular-season average back when I kept notebooks and Slam's spreadsheet.

Fun FJ in a category I usually dread. German story put me in Bremen first, then children got me to Hamelin. That HH's last name appears within AL's is a shiny memory nugget.

Austin Alan Jason in the finals, anyone?

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Re: Monday, November 13, 2017 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by jeff6286 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:21 am

reddpen wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:35 am
and Cleopatra for Nefertiti. The latter especially feels like 50/50/90 to me given how little I know about either woman. Any handy way to distinguish them?
Given the date in this clue, it should have been a slam dunk. I assume you know that Julius Caesar and Mark Antony weren't around in the 1300s B.C.
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