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Game Recap for Show #7634, 2017-11-16

2017 Tournament of Champions final game 1.

CONTESTANTS
Austin Rogers, a bartender from New York, New York
Alan Lin, a software engineer from Riverside, California
Buzzy Cohen, a music executive from Los Angeles, California

OPENING REMARKS
[In response to Austin, Alan and Buzzy’s coordinated robot dance during introductions, Alex does the robot while entering.]

Alex: My God, it’s contagious.

[Laughter]

Alex: Oh, no. All right, folks. Two-game final. Big bucks. $250,000 to the champion. At least $100,000 for second place. At least $50,000 for third place. Our thanks to Consumer Cellular for their assistance with the financing this year. Austin, Alan, Buzzy--good luck, guys. Have fun. You are already. Here we go. Categories, please…

JEOPARDY! ROUND CATEGORIES
THE JOY OF SLUGS (4/5) (Alex: Yes, those beautiful creatures!)
YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY (4/5)
CURRENT EVENTS (4/5)
CELEBRITY MEMOIRS (4/5)
CARD GAMES (3/5, including 1 correct Daily Double)
CHEESY NAME ORIGINS (3/5)

THE RIGHTS & THE WRONGS
Austin: 8 R (including 1 rebound), 0 W
Alan: 8 R, 1 W
Buzzy: 6 R (including 1 DD), 1 W

Clues revealed: 30
Triple Stumpers: 8
Jeopardy! Round Potential Lach Trash: $6,400



JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
Buzzy found the Daily Double on the 2nd clue. Buzzy was in the hole with -$600, Alan was scoreless, and Austin had nothing in the bank. Buzzy wagered $1,000.

CARD GAMES $800: Chapter 9 of Ian Fleming's "Casino Royale" is called "The Game is" this

SCORES AT THE FIRST BREAK
Austin: $2,000
Buzzy: $1,600
Alan: $600

CONTESTANT INTERVIEWS



Alex: Austin Rogers is our bartender from New York. Austin, you’ve enjoyed a great deal of success as a contestant on Jeopardy!, and you have a special friend who was very encouraging. I’d like you to tell the folks about Brian.

Austin: My good friend Brian Walsh, one of my best friends on Earth, passed away a couple weeks ago. Before I came out to L.A. last, he, being the insane person he is, he just goes, "Here’s $5,000. Go have a good time. I know you’re good for it." I am now good for it. However, I'm not good for it to give it back to him, so I'm going to have to do something special for all of our friends.

Alex: Okay.

Austin: Thank you.

Alex: Pass it--play it forward.

Austin: Yeah.

Alex: Pay it forward. All right.




Alex: Alan Lin. You qualified for this final yesterday. And I mentioned at the end of the program, "My gosh, Alan. You’re so nervous." And yet today, you appear to be so calm. What was it about that semifinal that had you fidgeting so much?

Alan: I honestly can't tell you what I was feeling, because I couldn't really feel my hands or feet.

[Laughter]

Alex: Well, whatever--whatever it is, keep it working for today also.




Alex: All right, Buzzy Cohen. When you won your semifinal game, there was one person in the audience that I noticed that was especially excited at you winning the game.

Buzzy: Yeah.

Alex: A fellow who’s got gray hair like me, but looks younger than me. Who is that person?

Buzzy: My high school English teacher, Dean Slater, is here. And he was here for my whole run initially on the show. And he taught me Waiting for Godot.

Alex: And the Final in that match…

Buzzy: Was Waiting for Godot.

Alex: The correct response was "What is" or "Who is Waiting for Godot?" So way to go, teacher! All right.

TRIPLE STUMPERS IN THE JEOPARDY! ROUND
CARD GAMES $600: This game similar to Go Fish was originally played with special cards featuring pictures of famous writers
(Buzzy: What is Old Maid?)
...
(Alex: What is [*]?)
(Buzzy: [*].)
(Alex: Yeah, makes sense. Go.)
(Buzzy: New to me.)

CARD GAMES $1000: Recently celebrating its 50th anniversary, Skip-Bo is a variation of the card game known as Spite & this

CHEESY NAME ORIGINS $800: A soft, creamy cheese:
Italian for "beautiful country"

CURRENT EVENTS $1000: A spike in overdoses has made this drug a common lifesaver as it reverses the effects of opiods
(Alex: I'm glad you guys don't know anything about [*].)

THE JOY OF SLUGS $200: Slug heads have 2 of this sensory organs similar to antennae, on the top for sight & on the bottom for smell & touch
(Alex: They have cute little [*].)

CHEESY NAME ORIGINS $1000: This one similar to cheddar:
the town in Wisconsin where the Steinwand family created it

YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY $1000: From the Brits:
"Life isn't all beer &" this game (not candy)
(Alex: Less than a minute now, Buzzy.)

CELEBRITY MEMOIRS $800: Chapters in her "My Life So Far" include "Vadim", "Leaving My Father's House" & "Coming Home"

SCORES AT THE END OF THE JEOPARDY! ROUND
Austin: $4,800
Buzzy: $3,000
Alan: $2,400
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DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND CATEGORIES
LOVE SONGS, NOTHING BUT '80s LOVE SONGS (3/5) (Alex: You have to name the artist who recorded the Top Ten song.)
TRIPLE RHYME TIME (3/5, including 1 correct Daily Double)
GULP FICTION (5/5)
PLACE "MAT"S (3/5, including 1 missed Daily Double)
PICK A POPE (4/5)
FIRST-TIME RESPONSES (4/5) (Alex: Never before requested in 34 seasons on Jeopardy!. We can prove it.)

THE RIGHTS & THE WRONGS
Alan: 8 R (including 3 rebounds), 0 W
Austin: 10 R (including 1 DD), 3 W (including 1 DD)
Buzzy: 4 R, 2 W

Clues revealed: 30
Triple Stumpers: 7
Double Jeopardy! Round Potential Lach Trash: $8,400



FIRST DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
Austin snagged the next Daily Double on the 7th clue. Buzzy had $3,000, Alan had $4,000, and Austin was at $6,800. Austin wagered $2,800.

TRIPLE RHYME TIME $800: A happy 10K for women in habits
(Austin: Okay, I'm gonna put it in the right...What is a [*], ooh, a fun run...oh, God. What is a [*]?)
(Alex: All three were acceptable.)

SECOND DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
It was Austin who snatched up the last Daily Double of the game on the 19th clue. Buzzy had $3,400, Alan had $6,000, and Austin was at $12,800. Austin wagered $4,800.

PLACE "MAT"S $1600: Olive you should know that this capital of the Greek department of Messenia is a major fruit market
(Austin: Marco Polo, I have no idea?)
...
(Alex: "Olive" at the beginning of the clue was a very important part.)
(Austin: Aw, I understand it, I just didn't get it.)

TRIPLE STUMPERS IN THE DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND
FIRST-TIME RESPONSES $2000: From the Latin for "porridge", it's a soft, warm mass placed on an aching or injured body part
(Alex: Had a lot of mustard poultices in my time.)

TRIPLE RHYME TIME $400: A sensitive but minor car accident
(Alex: What is a [*]. TRIPLE RHYME TIME.)
(Austin: This is going to be terrible.)

TRIPLE RHYME TIME $1600: A russet harlequin has collapsed
(Austin: What is a brown clown's down?)
(Alex: Yeah, we'll accept that.)
[Ruling later reversed for adding the "S" to "clown"]

PLACE "MAT"S $1200: John Sayles titled a movie about a violent labor dispute after this coal-mining town

LOVE SONGS, NOTHING BUT '80s LOVE SONGS $2000: "Making love out of nothing at all...out of nothing at all...out of nothing at all...out of nothing at all"

PICK A POPE $800: Was guilty of excommunicating the heretic Pelagius
(Alex: Pope [*] was guilty.)

LOVE SONGS, NOTHING BUT '80s LOVE SONGS $400: A duet: "To all the girls we've loved before, who traveled in & out our doors, we're glad they came along"

SCORES ENTERING FINAL JEOPARDY!
Alan: $14,400
Austin: $10,000
Buzzy: $4,200

FINAL JEOPARDY! CATEGORY
INVENTIONS

VENUSIAN MONOLOGUES/MARTIAN CHRONICLES
Two-thirds for first place.
Alan: Wager $5,601 to cover Austin, but no more than $5,999 so as not to fall behind Buzzy's doubled score.
Austin: You'll want to wager between $0 (venusian) and $1,200 (martian), and you'll win the game if Alan wagers enough and gets it wrong.
Buzzy: Unfortunately, your score is less than the difference between the scores of the first and second place players, so unless they both blunder, you're competing for second place and have no hopes of first. Wager as much as you desire, but remember, you'll have better chances of advancing to second place if you have a larger sum left over on a Triple Stumper.

FINAL JEOPARDY! CLUE
When Time Magazine named it Invention of the Year in 2007, it was described as too slow, too big, pretty & touchy-feely

FINAL SCORES
Buzzy: $4,200 - $4,200 = $0 (What the Tesla Model S?)
Austin: $10,000 - $3,500 = $6,500 (What is the iPhone? iPad?)
Alan: $14,400 - $5,600 = $8,800 (What is the iPad)

Total Potential Lach Trash: $14,800

GAME DYNAMICS
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CORYAT SCORES
Alan: $14,400, 16 R, 1 W
Austin: $12,800, 18 R (including 1 DD), 3 W (including 1 DD)
Buzzy: $4,000, 10 R (including 1 DD), 3 W
Combined Coryat: $31,200

BATTING AVERAGES
Austin: 18/60 = .300
Alan: 16/58 = .276
Buzzy: 10/59 = .169
Team: 44/63 = .698

MISCELLANEOUS INTERESTING CLUES
THE JOY OF SLUGS $800: The mascot of UC Santa Cruz, this large slug with an edible name can reach 10 inches in length & live for 7 years

THE JOY OF SLUGS $1000: Slugs eat plants & members of this kingdom of plantlike organisms lacking chlorophyll
(Alan: What are protists?)

FIRST-TIME RESPONSES $400: This 11-letter word is the "T" in LGBTQ
(Austin: What is transsexual?)

TRIPLE RHYME TIME $1200: Mission: wed the Cubs' announcer seen here
[Austin answers with a pretty decent voice impression.]

TRIPLE RHYME TIME $2000: Getting back your unholy cotton pests
(Buzzy: What is retrieval of your evil weevils?)
...
(Alex: Yep, you added that "S" in there, Buzzy. Sorry. Before I ask you to select again, I've been informed by our producers that a few moments ago, Austin, you also added an "S" in one of your responses, and so we have to take away $3,200 from you. You're still in the lead, though, with $9,200, but Alan picks the next clue.)

GULP FICTION $800: While interviewed, Louis tells the story of how this vampire slashed a rat's neck & drank the blood from a glass
(Buzzy: Who is Lestrat?)

GULP FICTION $2000: In a Rabelais work, this son of Gargantua & his posse drink 237 casks of wine in a sitting
(Alex: Less than a minute.)

CORRECT RESPONSES
baccarat
Authors
Malice
Bel Paese
Narcan
tentacles
colby cheese
skittles
Jane Fonda
nun fun run
Kalamata
a poultice
tender fender bender
brown clown down
Matewan
Air Supply
Innocent
Willie Nelson & Julio Iglesias
the iPhone
a banana slug
fungi
transgender
marry Harry Carey
evil weevil retrieval
Lestat
Pantagruel
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FINAL JEOPARDY! CATEGORY
INVENTIONS

FINAL JEOPARDY! CLUE
When Time Magazine named it Invention of the Year in 2007, it was described as too slow, too big, pretty & touchy-feely

Buzzy Cohen: 4200-4200=0
Alan Lin: 14400-5600=8800
Austin Rogers: 10000-3500=6500

Correct response:
Spoiler
iPhone (Buzzy – Tesla Model S) (Alan – iPad) (Austin – iPhone iPad)

Daily Doubles
Buzzy: minus 600 +1000
Austin: 6800+2800
Austin: 12800-4800

Coryats
Buzzy: 4000
Alan: 14400
Austin: 12800

Combined: 31,200

Scores at the end of the Jeopardy! Round:
Buzzy: 3000
Alan: 2400
Buzzy: 4800
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The game had some laughs from the coordinated introductions with Alex trying to join in to the writers “-rolling” everyone.

The TS clues in LOVE SONGS were painful as I added $6K to my score.

Today’s Buzzy was the one that had me keeping him out of my Gold group. He’s fortunate to still be in contention after spotting his opponents a game. Austin went 1/3 on big clues and the damage would seem to be minimal. Alan has the lead, but 2300 in a 2-day affair is next to meaningless.

The guys went 0/3 on the FJ! clue and I was closer to Buzzy with my miss than A&A who had the right maker. Apple products never occurred to me and I had no good guess when I wrote Segway (knew it was earlier) to avoid the blank page.

If I had narrowed my options to the 50:50 Austin had I think I would have gone the right way although I cannot be sure after the fact. We’ll see if the strikeout response by Austin matters tomorrow.

This was J!6 for Current Events:
Spoiler
In September, Apple unveiled this new iPhone model with an edge-to-edge display that covers the entire front side

If anyone plays early that could have affected to the good or to the bad how one played the FJ! clue?
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I thought IPhone was the very obvious answer, and the easiest FJ so far this week. I do wonder if we benefit from some recent 10th anniversary publicity that might not have been around when this was filmed.
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Lach Trash: tentacles, Kalamata

All but "fungi" in Slugs. Apparently my plant knowledge lags behind my animal knowledge.

Strangely, I had none of the words in Triple Rhyme Time for $400 because I couldn't get away from "wreck" in time. Mom got it, though.

Also didn't have any of the Rhyme Time words at $1,600 because I didn't know what "russet" was, and had all but "Retrieval" at $2,000.

So are all clue corrections done in medias res now? They used to wait until DDs...

Poll request for Willie Nelson/Julio Iglesias. I thought that one was the most obscure in the category, especially with the Rickroll at $800.

So both mom AND I got a TS right?!
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I went the opposite way of Austin. My initial thought was iPad, but there was enough press about the iPhone X being the tenth anniversary iPhone to change my response quickly.
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TenPoundHammer wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:28 pm So are all clue corrections done in medias res now? They used to wait until DDs...
I suspect that's because Buzzy was about to call out Austin's addition of the "s" as well.

Another iPad here.
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Leander wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:16 pm I thought IPhone was the very obvious answer, and the easiest FJ so far this week. I do wonder if we benefit from some recent 10th anniversary publicity that might not have been around when this was filmed.
Yeah, with the hubbub over the X and the 10th anniversary, this was an instaguess for me.
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MarkBarrett wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:15 pm The TS clues in LOVE SONGS were painful as I added $6K to my score.
I got that...!#$*)$...Astley song (trying not to curse) and Soft Cell. I'm not even sure what songs the other three were.

I was about to scream "BUT HE ADDED AN 'S' TOO!", but they corrected themselves and took the money away. I'm still annoyed that they allowed those papal names without a number. I'm pretty sure I complained last time they accepted 'Benedict' without a number too, so I guess that's just how it works now.

Super-instaget FJ from the year alone, I remember thinking the same thing about smartphones when they first came out, and now they've taken over the planet. Surprised that it was a TS, but then I was lost at sea with that Waiting for Godot FJ so.

Should be an exciting finale. These scores are so low that they basically don't matter.
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I’m stunned that I insta-getted a TS TOC question.
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So Buzzy made it plural, Austin did not. He said "a brown clown's down", or "a brown clown is down". Per the rules of Jeopardy, does this make a difference?

When Austin found his first DD, he deviated from the strategy that got him there. It was a 2nd row clue with ~80 clues left, this was the perfect time for a TDD.

I've said that in a two game format that today's FJ should be treated as a DD. Buzzy did the right thing without question, I'm not sure what to think about the other two wagers. Definitely a tough spot.
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2007 seemed a little early for the iPad, but I remember a common criticism when it was first announced being, "Who would want this giant thing?"

I have a first gen iPod Touch, which is the same size as the iPhone. It's tiny.
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Wish we had audio or captioning on the post game conversation.
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xxaaaxx wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:35 pm
MarkBarrett wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:15 pm The TS clues in LOVE SONGS were painful as I added $6K to my score.
I got that...!#$*)$...Astley song (trying not to curse) and Soft Cell. I'm not even sure what songs the other three were.
"To All The Girls I've Loved Before" peaked at No. 5 & 12 weeks in the Top 40

"Never Gonna Give You Up" spent two weeks at No. 1 & 14 weeks in the Top 40

"Hello" spent two weeks at No. 1 & 17 weeks in the Top 40

"Tainted Love" peaked at No. 8 & 15 weeks in the Top 40

"Making Love Out Of Nothing At All" spent three weeks at No. 2 & 17 weeks in the Top 40

Casey Kasem turns over for each comment to the negative about the clues.

Hammer: Request seen (What? No adjective before "obscure?") although I think I'll go with one of those separate polls for all of the clues as I like to test the valuing. I can't judge the placement because they are all first box for me.
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xxaaaxx wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:35 pm I'm still annoyed that they allowed those papal names without a number. I'm pretty sure I complained last time they accepted 'Benedict' without a number too, so I guess that's just how it works now.
I guess. They need to state the rules explicitly if that's the way they want it. I'm with you in the ranks of the annoyed.
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Wow. I came for a slugfest, not a trainwreck. :lol: (No disrespect to the excellent contestants, each of whom strikes me as able to have a sense of humor about some of those awkward moments.)

Mrs P got Beer and Skittles, and Poultice as trash. She felt deservedly proud of herself.
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MarkBarrett wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:53 pm
"To All The Girls I've Loved Before" peaked at No. 5 & 12 weeks in the Top 40

******************

"Hello" spent two weeks at No. 1 & 17 weeks in the Top 40

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"Making Love Out Of Nothing At All" spent three weeks at No. 2 & 17 weeks in the Top 40

Casey Kasem turns over for each comment to the negative about the clues.
Thanks. *hits YouTube* OK, that Lionel Ritchie song is a bit of a forehead slapper. Like many songs, I recognize the tune, but never knew the title or the artist. The other two I've legit never heard before in my life, and they were godawful. Sorry Casey.
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MarkBarrett wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:53 pm
xxaaaxx wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:35 pm
MarkBarrett wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:15 pm The TS clues in LOVE SONGS were painful as I added $6K to my score.
I got that...!#$*)$...Astley song (trying not to curse) and Soft Cell. I'm not even sure what songs the other three were.
"To All The Girls I've Loved Before" peaked at No. 5 & 12 weeks in the Top 40

"Never Gonna Give You Up" spent two weeks at No. 1 & 14 weeks in the Top 40

"Hello" spent two weeks at No. 1 & 17 weeks in the Top 40

"Tainted Love" peaked at No. 8 & 15 weeks in the Top 40

"Making Love Out Of Nothing At All" spent three weeks at No. 2 & 17 weeks in the Top 40

Casey Kasem turns over for each comment to the negative about the clues.

Hammer: Request seen (What? No adjective before "obscure?") although I think I'll go with one of those separate polls for all of the clues as I like to test the valuing. I can't judge the placement because they are all first box for me.
I actually recognized every song but "Making Love". I didn't realize how big a hit "To All the Girls..." was since I remember scratching my head at Julio having a #1 hit on the country music charts.
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Quite an interesting first game in the finals, starting with the introductions. Looks like the quirkiness rubbed off on Alan, particularly since he's stuck in the middle.

I managed the following:
R: 21
W: 2 costing 1400
Coryat 13,000 Got a lot more right in the J! round than DJ!
FJ! :mrgreen: First one this week.
LT: poultice

Very much a back and forth game. I'd have to go back and count, but I think the buzzing in was split pretty evenly. Certainly no one was completely off their buzzer game this time. Buzzy seemed to be getting an unusual number of responses wrong, costing him a bit.
(Went back and counted - Buzzy was first to ring in on 12 clues, Alan 13, Austin 18. Slight advantage to Austin, but pretty even.)

I'm really surprised at the (technically) triple stumper in FJ! iPhone first sold in 2007 is one of the trivia bits that I have down. So the combination of the date and description made it a pretty quick get for me.

With only 8800 between 1st and 3rd, it's still anybody's game tomorrow.
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