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kprather895 wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:10 am For "hero sandwich"/"ham sandwich", do you accept "hoagie sandwich"?
I would, but I'm a little biased -- that was my response.
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AFRET CMS wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:37 pm
kprather895 wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:10 am For "hero sandwich"/"ham sandwich", do you accept "hoagie sandwich"?
I would, but I'm a little biased -- that was my response.
No question - if hero is the expected answer hoagie's correct too. I said "ham" and was a little unsure they'd take the neg back since you can see 2 kinds of meat in the sandwich they showed...but I'm glad they did.
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davey wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:15 am
AFRET CMS wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:37 pm
kprather895 wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:10 am For "hero sandwich"/"ham sandwich", do you accept "hoagie sandwich"?
I would, but I'm a little biased -- that was my response.
No question - if hero is the expected answer hoagie's correct too. I said "ham" and was a little unsure they'd take the neg back since you can see 2 kinds of meat in the sandwich they showed...but I'm glad they did.
Well, we could see it. But we have a clearer view of visual clues.
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NPR/Will Shortz concluded a quiz this weekend similar to this FJ-

Clue-
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Last week's challenge: This challenge came from listener Steve Baggish of Arlington, Mass. Take the name of a U.S. state capital. Immediately to the right of it write the name of a world capital. If you have the right ones, the name of a U.S. state will be embedded in consecutive letters within that letter string. What three places are these?


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Answer: State capital: Denver, Colo. or Dover, Del.; National capital: Montevideo, Uruguay; Embedded state name: Vermont
I'm not the sure the FJ rises to the level of "wordplay," but at least the 4 letters are a meaningful syllable that means the same thing in each word. I admire those who used logic - my only strategy was to go through the list of states, if only I'd started with Wyoming - but I could imagine the syllable just popping into one's head too because it's a little more than a random connection...
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Peter the accountant wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:33 pm
Wheatley wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:20 pm I think accidentals is acceptable - the clue only gave the definition of the word, and nothing that would make the band The Black Keys be the only possible answer
The musician in me is forced to disagree. In music, an accidental is a note that's not in the key of the music being played. If you're playing in the key of F, a Bb - a black key - is in the F scale. If you played a B natural, that would be an accidental, and would be a white key on the piano.
My ex-wife the conservatory graduate says "accidental" is music-speak for "wrong note."
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davey wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:15 am
AFRET CMS wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:37 pm
kprather895 wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:10 am For "hero sandwich"/"ham sandwich", do you accept "hoagie sandwich"?
I would, but I'm a little biased -- that was my response.
No question - if hero is the expected answer hoagie's correct too. I said "ham" and was a little unsure they'd take the neg back since you can see 2 kinds of meat in the sandwich they showed...but I'm glad they did.
Three kinds, no less. I said hoagie too. No question it would be accepted. Accepting "ham" was generous. If you order a ham sandwich and are served something with salami, someone screwed up your order. "Freudian slip" was at least as good an answer, IMHO.

"These slips of the tongue that bear a man’s name include “It is now kisstomary to cuss the bride.""

If you hate the bride, you might make that Spoonerism as a Freudian slip.
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TomFromMD wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:29 pm
davey wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:15 am
AFRET CMS wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:37 pm
kprather895 wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:10 am For "hero sandwich"/"ham sandwich", do you accept "hoagie sandwich"?
I would, but I'm a little biased -- that was my response.
No question - if hero is the expected answer hoagie's correct too. I said "ham" and was a little unsure they'd take the neg back since you can see 2 kinds of meat in the sandwich they showed...but I'm glad they did.
Three kinds, no less. I said hoagie too. No question it would be accepted. Accepting "ham" was generous. If you order a ham sandwich and are served something with salami, someone screwed up your order. "Freudian slip" was at least as good an answer, IMHO.

"These slips of the tongue that bear a man’s name include “It is now kisstomary to cuss the bride.""

If you hate the bride, you might make that Spoonerism as a Freudian slip.
I'm going to disagree on the hoagie thing. I think sandwich is implied in hoagie, so saying "hoagie sandwich" is redundant. For some reason I don't think the same applies to "hero sandwich" -- I think you need the word "sandwich" there. But what do I know? Where I live these are called "grinders."
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Woppy T wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:20 pm
TomFromMD wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:29 pm
davey wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:15 am
AFRET CMS wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:37 pm
kprather895 wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:10 am For "hero sandwich"/"ham sandwich", do you accept "hoagie sandwich"?
I would, but I'm a little biased -- that was my response.
No question - if hero is the expected answer hoagie's correct too. I said "ham" and was a little unsure they'd take the neg back since you can see 2 kinds of meat in the sandwich they showed...but I'm glad they did.
Three kinds, no less. I said hoagie too. No question it would be accepted. Accepting "ham" was generous. If you order a ham sandwich and are served something with salami, someone screwed up your order. "Freudian slip" was at least as good an answer, IMHO.

"These slips of the tongue that bear a man’s name include “It is now kisstomary to cuss the bride.""

If you hate the bride, you might make that Spoonerism as a Freudian slip.
I'm going to disagree on the hoagie thing. I think sandwich is implied in hoagie, so saying "hoagie sandwich" is redundant. For some reason I don't think the same applies to "hero sandwich" -- I think you need the word "sandwich" there. But what do I know? Where I live these are called "grinders."
The category was 'starts and ends with 'H'' so '...sandwich' is required to meet category requirements.
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Volante wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:25 pm
Woppy T wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:20 pm
TomFromMD wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:29 pm
davey wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:15 am
AFRET CMS wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:37 pm

I would, but I'm a little biased -- that was my response.
No question - if hero is the expected answer hoagie's correct too. I said "ham" and was a little unsure they'd take the neg back since you can see 2 kinds of meat in the sandwich they showed...but I'm glad they did.
Three kinds, no less. I said hoagie too. No question it would be accepted. Accepting "ham" was generous. If you order a ham sandwich and are served something with salami, someone screwed up your order. "Freudian slip" was at least as good an answer, IMHO.

"These slips of the tongue that bear a man’s name include “It is now kisstomary to cuss the bride.""

If you hate the bride, you might make that Spoonerism as a Freudian slip.
I'm going to disagree on the hoagie thing. I think sandwich is implied in hoagie, so saying "hoagie sandwich" is redundant. For some reason I don't think the same applies to "hero sandwich" -- I think you need the word "sandwich" there. But what do I know? Where I live these are called "grinders."
The category was 'starts and ends with 'H'' so '...sandwich' is required to meet category requirements.
Ooops -- I mispoke in my original response. My actual response was either "heroh" or "hogieh". Might have been "hamh".

Thankfully,misplaced sihlent Hs don't affect an FJ outcome! (FJ 3/21/17)
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After seeing this weeks contestants, I just thought it was in interesting coincidence that one of the Friday contestants is from a former state capital, Corydon, Indiana.
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squarekara wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:55 pm
Just kidding, guys! But, honestly, there are some real characters coming up and a score to settle with online trolls over a certain issue. . .
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Woppy T wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:20 pm
TomFromMD wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:29 pm
davey wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:15 am
AFRET CMS wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:37 pm
kprather895 wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:10 am For "hero sandwich"/"ham sandwich", do you accept "hoagie sandwich"?
I would, but I'm a little biased -- that was my response.
No question - if hero is the expected answer hoagie's correct too. I said "ham" and was a little unsure they'd take the neg back since you can see 2 kinds of meat in the sandwich they showed...but I'm glad they did.
Three kinds, no less. I said hoagie too. No question it would be accepted. Accepting "ham" was generous. If you order a ham sandwich and are served something with salami, someone screwed up your order. "Freudian slip" was at least as good an answer, IMHO.

"These slips of the tongue that bear a man’s name include “It is now kisstomary to cuss the bride.""

If you hate the bride, you might make that Spoonerism as a Freudian slip.
I'm going to disagree on the hoagie thing. I think sandwich is implied in hoagie, so saying "hoagie sandwich" is redundant. For some reason I don't think the same applies to "hero sandwich" -- I think you need the word "sandwich" there. But what do I know? Where I live these are called "grinders."
No, "hero" is just as autonomous as "hoagie" - or not. Try googling (an Image search) hero sandwich sign - you'll find many examples that refer to them with the first word only.
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davey wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:06 pm No, "hero" is just as autonomous as "hoagie" - or not. Try googling (an Image search) hero sandwich sign - you'll find many examples that refer to them with the first word only.
I agree with this reasoning overall. But I think I'd say hoagie is somewhat more autonomous simply because there aren't other contexts in which the word means something different. A hoagie is always a sandwich. A hero sometimes isn't. "Let's go get ourselves a couple of heroes" doesn't have the same immediately clear meaning as "Let's go get ourselves a couple of hoagies."

But you're still right. Googling "hoagie sandwich" (in quotation marks to group the two words) can provide additional confirmation.
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opusthepenguin wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:51 pm
davey wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:06 pm No, "hero" is just as autonomous as "hoagie" - or not. Try googling (an Image search) hero sandwich sign - you'll find many examples that refer to them with the first word only.
I agree with this reasoning overall. But I think I'd say hoagie is somewhat more autonomous simply because there aren't other contexts in which the word means something different. A hoagie is always a sandwich. A hero sometimes isn't...
So you've never heard of "Stardust"? (Granted, variant spelling!...) How about "A Hero Ain't Nothin' But a Sandwich"...??... ;)
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MarkBarrett wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:19 pm
doihavetoreally wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:04 pm Wow.
Is this the first TOC where no one got fjs in two games?
How about the eventual champ starting at 0 on game 2?
This is the first TOC with 0/6 in the finals if that is what you meant. More than one finals have gone 1/6.
Six previous times someone has had zero after F1 and none of them won. Lucky seven today changed that trend.

The previous ones
Bruce Simmons - 2nd
Jeff Stewart - 2nd
Bob Harris - 3rd
Arthur Gandolfi - 3rd
Bill MacDonald - 3rd
Jason Zollinger - 2nd
While going through tapes looking for the next game to archive, I found the opening for the 1992 ToC Final Game 2. It's interesting to watch those heavy hitters with sheepish looks on their faces.

25 years ago basically today, that one was. On the tape it was preceded by Game 1, with the original broadcast of the Mr. Plow ep of The Simpsons sandwiched between them.
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MinnesotaMyron wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:58 pm 25 years ago basically today, that one was. On the tape it was preceded by Game 1, with the original broadcast of the Mr. Plow ep of The Simpsons sandwiched between them.
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Cat Hammarskjold wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:44 pm After seeing this weeks contestants, I just thought it was in interesting coincidence that one of the Friday contestants is from a former state capital, Corydon, Indiana.
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opusthepenguin wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:28 pm
MinnesotaMyron wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:58 pm 25 years ago basically today, that one was. On the tape it was preceded by Game 1, with the original broadcast of the Mr. Plow ep of The Simpsons sandwiched between them.
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