TD 361 - Squares and Primes (FINAL STANDINGS AVAILABLE)

[SenseiCAY]

My response is missing from #4. I wish it were about me bragging but I'm pretty sure I had "C Drives Me Crazy" to get me 8 points.

The numbers are correct - I just copied and pasted the wrong set of names. It's fixed now.

[SenseiCAY]

Bad news for those with Fine Young Cannibals as I had that too to make it worth 8 points instead of 7. Bad news for the host as well to adjust the standings.

Fixed - Just copied and pasted wrong - the scores were correct.

[SenseiCAY]

5) Number and name required. Name a PRIME NUMBER, and the U.S. PRESIDENT associated with that number in the chronological order of U.S. Presidents as of the time of this game (wrong answers in the expected format might include “1, Washington,” since 1 is not a prime number, or “16, Obama,” because Obama was not the 16th U.S. President, nor is 16 a prime number). Non-consecutive terms by the same President are considered as two different entries in the list. Consecutive terms by the same President are considered as a single entry. Enough information to distinguish between people is required when multiple Presidents share the same name; last name alone (or a correct full name) will be accepted when this is not the case.

SHEEP
(None)

37 - Richard Nixon (SHEEP) - 5
maelinya
merica
casketromance
Vintsanity
AFRET CMS

17 - Andrew Johnson - 4
econgator
twelvefootboy
jbeltz
Ironhorse

29 - Warren G. Harding - 4
AleBelly
threearruda
Peachbo
9021amyers

31 - Herbert Hoover - 4
clt013
floridagator
joenguyen90
gamawire

19 - Rutherford B. Hayes - 3
ChexMix
acthomas
nklotz

2 - John Adams - 3
wpwells
sillymonkey
MattKnowles

41 - George H.W. Bush - 3
Peter the Accountant
psgola
jsm378

11 - John Tyler - 2
Tybalteon
MarkBarrett

3 - Thomas Jefferson - 2
1stlvlthinker
Troydozzy

SINGLETONS
13 - Millard Filmore
Woof

23 - Benjamin Harrison
oduguy22

43 - George W. Bush
zerobandwidth

5 - James Monroe
ElendilPickle

Not used
7 - Andrew Jackson

DROP
(None)

WRONG - 1 (+10)
classicroadster (13 - Franklin Pierce; Pierce was #14).

Notes: this was a pretty flat question, as I sort of expected - a lot of you probably know your US Presidents from front to back, and at the very least, you could name enough to get a right answer on this (even if no one picked Andrew Jackson, who was relatively early on the list at #7).

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6) Letter and answer required. The USDA grades beef based on two main criteria – marbling and age of the animal at slaughter. There are eight grades as of 2017, of which the highest quality, as you probably know, is U.S. Prime, mostly marketed to hotels and restaurants. In the picture, twelve cuts of beef are labeled. Pick a letter and name the cut of beef labeled by that letter. An answer bank is provided.



Answer bank for Q6:

• Bottom Sirloin
• Brisket
• Chuck
• Flank
• Plate
• Rib
• Round
• Shank
• Short Loin
• Sirloin
• Tenderloin
• Top Sirloin

SHEEP - 4 (+3)
econgator
MarkBarrett
Tybalteon
AFRET CMS

B - Brisket (CO-SHEEP) - 3
Vintsanity
maelinya
jbeltz

L - Shank (CO-SHEEP) - 3
gamawire
jsm378
classicroadster

A - Chuck - 2
Woof
acthomas

C - Rib - 2
threearruda
Troydozzy

F - Flank - 2
floridagator
wpwells

H - Tenderloin - 2
Peter the Accountant
twelvefootboy

K - Round - 2
ElendilPickle
casketromance

SINGLETONS
D - Plate
9021amyers

Not used
E - Short Loin
G - Sirloin
I - Top Sirloin
J - Bottom Sirloin

DROP - 11
clt013
1stlvlthinker
AleBelly
MattKnowles
joenguyen90
ChexMix
nklotz
psgola
merica
oduguy22
zerobandwidth

WRONG - 3 (+10)
Peachbo (H - Plate)
sillymonkey (H - Shank)
Ironhorse (A - Shoulder)

Notes: I debated how I would include this question, because it's an unusual topic, I guess, but I was running out of ideas on how to incorporate "prime" and "square" into this game. Initially, the bonus tied to this question was going to be the question itself, asking you to name a U.S. grade of beef, and I was going to allow the common store grades of prime, choice, and select. In the end, I was also afraid that I would only get 3 different answers as a result, so I changed it to this.

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Scores after Q6:

1. floridagator - 17
2. 9021amyers - 21
3. Tybalteon - 21
4. oduguy22 - 22
5. 1stlvlthinker - 23
6. nklotz - 23
7. MarkBarrett - 24
8. clt013 - 24
9. threearruda - 24
10. acthomas - 25
11. gamawire - 25
12. jsm378 - 26
13. AleBelly - 27
14. ElendilPickle - 27
15. Troydozzy - 27
16. casketromance - 27
17. Vintsanity - 28
18. Woof - 28
19. jbeltz - 28
20. zerobandwidth - 28
21. AFRET CMS - 29
22. twelvefootboy - 29
23. maelinya - 31
24. sillymonkey - 31
25. wpwells - 32
26. ChexMix - 33
27. joenguyen90 - 33
28. MattKnowles - 34
29. classicroadster - 34
30. merica - 34
31. psgola - 35
32. Peter the Accountant - 36
33. econgator - 38
34. Peachbo - 39
35. Ironhorse - 47

We're about halfway through. I've gotta go, but I'll post the rest of the results in the morning.

[econgator]

Notes: Yeah, this one was rough - more than half of the group (19/35) used either their drop or their sheep on this one. My bad - growing pains, I guess, perhaps made worse by the fact that I, myself, have not seen the last three of the movies. By the time I realized how hard it was playing, it was too late to go back, but a few people did come up with people other than Shia LaBeouf or Megan Fox.

This was the only one where I didn't have even one correct. I knew Shia and Megan were in it, but had no idea what characters they played.

[twelvefootboy]

This is a fun game but thankfully there was an escape clause for the Transformers question. Just getting a quick post in to ridicule my future answers. We are in Culver City to attend today's show taping and I found this last night at bedtime and slammed out some quick answers/guesses and was looking forward to the actual math-y ones ahead. Woke up realizing I had TPH'd the math in my head on the polygons and blundered even worse on choosing 3 prime numbers!

Thanks for the game and quick scoring. It is an all out race to the bottom for me now!

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5) Number and name required. Name a PRIME NUMBER, and the U.S. PRESIDENT associated with that number in the chronological order of U.S. Presidents as of the time of this game.

SINGLETONS

43 - George W. Bush
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I can finally thank George W. Bush without irony for something he did as president.

[SenseiCAY]

7) Letter and number required. A chessboard has lots of squares (64 individual ones, to be exact). Choose a letter (first name) and number (last name) from the lists below to create the name of a World Chess Champion.

1. Anatoly
2. Bobby
3. Boris
4. Garry
5. Magnus
6. Mikhail
7. Vasily
8. Veselin
9. Viswanthan
10. Vladimir

1. Anand
2. Botvinnik
3. Carlsen
4. Fischer
5. Karpov
6. Kasparov
7. Kramnik
8. Smyslov
9. Spassky
10. Topalov

SHEEP
(None)

C - Boris Spassky - 7
Troydozzy
jbeltz
classicroadster
nklotz
twelvefootboy
sillymonkey
MarkBarrett

B - Bobby Fischer - 6
1stlvlthinker
casketromance
Peter the Accountant
psgola
Tybalteon
gamawire

E - Magnus Carlsen - 6
clt013
ChexMix
threearruda
AFRET CMS
acthomas
jsm378

I - Viswanathan Anand - 5
wpwells
Vintsanity
MattKnowles
joenguyen90
zerobandwidth

D - Garry Kasparov - 4
ElendilPickle
maelinya
merica
oduguy22

A - Anatoly Karpov - 3
Peachbo
Woof
AleBelly

G - Vasily Smyslov - 2
econgator
Ironhorse

SINGLETONS
F - Mikhail Botvinnik
9021amyers

H - Veselin Topalov
floridagator

Not used:
(None)

DROP
(None)

WRONG
(None)

Notes: Chess is my favorite game (and I'd love to play with any of you...find me on lichess.com as SenseiCAY), and I wanted to fit in a question about it. I figured everyone would fall on Bobby Fischer if they didn't know any other champions, and maybe people would remember that he beat Boris Spassky to win the title, and barring that, perhaps you might remember Garry Kasparov splitting two matches against IBM's Deep Blue, when we thought that humans could still compete against computers at these games, before Google ruined it for everyone (seriously, if you haven't heard about this, read up on AlphaZero - it's pretty cool). Barring any of that, you might have put together the only two Indian-sounding names to get Viswanathan Anand, the only Indian ever to win the World Championship. Not surprisingly, everyone attempted this one, and no one got this one wrong.

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8) Number and name required. A lot of you might know that Deion Sanders had the nickname “Prime Time” as a cornerback for the Dallas Cowboys. Of course, he also missed an opportunity by wearing #21, which is decidedly not a prime number. As a result of this missed opportunity, we will make this question about squares instead of primes (cue the crying Michael Jordan meme). Pictured here are ten athletes wearing jersey numbers that are perfect squares. Indicate the name and number of one of them.



SHEEP - 1 (+10)
maelinya

#4 - Paul Molitor (SHEEP) - 10
AleBelly
econgator
clt013
Woof
acthomas
9021amyers
1stlvlthinker
nklotz
classicroadster
merica

#49 - Jake Arrieta - 5
casketromance
jbeltz
psgola
jsm378
wpwells

#25 - Steve Kerr - 4
Peachbo
Troydozzy
floridagator
Vintsanity

#36 - Jerome Bettis - 4
Tybalteon
joenguyen90
oduguy22
zerobandwidth

#16 - Joe Montana - 3
AFRET CMS
gamawire
twelvefootboy

#81 - Terrell Owens - 3
MattKnowles
MarkBarrett
ChexMix

#1 - Hope Solo - 2
sillymonkey
Ironhorse

SINGLETONS
#00 - Robert Parish
threearruda

#9 - Mia Hamm
ElendilPickle

Not used:
#64 - Jerry Kramer

DROP
(None)

WRONG - 1 (+13)
Peter the Accountant (#9 - Julie Foudy)

Notes: Not too surprised that Jerry Kramer wasn't used (although he isn't just some nobody that I found wearing jersey #64) - not too many athletes wear that number, and those that do are mostly NFL linemen, who are often lesser-known names. My guess was that Montana or Mia Hamm would be the sheep, but I was quite wrong on that - such is this game, I guess - I didn't think Michael Chang would be the sheep on the tennis question on TD360, but it was by a long shot, and Paul Molitor was a runaway sheep on this one, contrary to expectations.

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Scores after Q8:

1. floridagator - 22
2. oduguy22 - 30
3. Tybalteon - 31
4. threearruda - 31
5. 9021amyers - 32
6. ElendilPickle - 32
7. MarkBarrett - 34
8. gamawire - 34
9. Vintsanity - 37
10. jsm378 - 37
11. zerobandwidth - 37
12. AFRET CMS - 38
13. Troydozzy - 38
14. casketromance - 38
15. 1stlvlthinker - 39
16. twelvefootboy - 39
17. AleBelly - 40
18. clt013 - 40
19. jbeltz - 40
20. nklotz - 40
21. sillymonkey - 40
22. Woof - 41
23. acthomas - 41
24. ChexMix - 42
25. MattKnowles - 42
26. joenguyen90 - 42
27. wpwells - 42
28. maelinya - 45
29. Peachbo - 46
30. psgola - 46
31. merica - 48
32. econgator - 50
33. Ironhorse - 51
34. classicroadster - 51
35. Peter the Accountant - 55

[SenseiCAY]

I had to fix the scoring on Nos. 5 and 6 - to add insult to injury to those who got either of those wrong, the code I wrote did not correctly score incorrect answers - it scored those as sheep + 3, even though that number was less than 10, so scores after Q6 and Q8 have been updated accordingly.

[SenseiCAY]

9) Letter and answer required. Speaking of Prime Time, the 69th (nice) Primetime Emmy Award ceremony was held on September 17, 2017. Name the show (a-g) or person (h-k) that won the Emmy in any of these categories. The network airing the show is given as a hint (note that if you select any of h-k, I still want the name of the person, even though the hint is still the network airing the winner's show):

1. Outstanding Comedy Series (HBO)
2. Outstanding Drama Series (Hulu)
3. Outstanding Variety Talk Series (HBO)
4. Outstanding Variety Sketch Series (NBC)
5. Outstanding Limited Series (HBO)
6. Outstanding Television Movie (Netflix)
7. Outstanding Reality-Competition Program (NBC)
8. Outstanding Lead Actor in a Comedy Series (FX)
9. Outstanding Lead Actress in a Comedy Series (HBO)
10. Outstanding Lead Actor in a Drama Series (NBC)
11. Outstanding Lead Actress in a Drama Series (Hulu)

SHEEP - 3 (+4)
zerobandwidth
nklotz
Vintsanity

B - Handmaid's Tale (CO-SHEEP) - 4
gamawire
Troydozzy
casketromance
maelinya

G - The Voice (CO-SHEEP) - 4
Tybalteon
MarkBarrett
merica
threearruda

C - Last Week Tonight with John Oliver - 3
AFRET CMS
jsm378
oduguy22

J - Sterling K. Brown - 3
ElendilPickle
jbeltz
9021amyers

K - Elisabeth Moss - 3
wpwells
econgator
acthomas

H - Donald Glover - 2
ChexMix
psgola

I - Julia Louis-Dreyfus - 2
Peachbo
clt013

SINGLETONS
A - Veep
joenguyen90

D - Saturday Night Live
MattKnowles

Not used:
E - Big Little Lies
F - Black Mirror: "San Junipero"

DROP - 5
Woof
Peter the Accountant
classicroadster
Ironhorse
twelvefootboy

WRONG - 4 (+10)
sillymonkey (G - The Amazing Race)
1stlvlthinker (E - Game of Thrones)
AleBelly (C - Real Time with Bill Maher)
floridagator (J - This is Us - right show, didn't name the actor)

Notes: I'm not a big TV guy, but I suppose there was some low hanging fruit here - SNL should have been pretty easy to uncover if you didn't know anything else, but weirdly enough, that was a singleton, and Veep/JLD wouldn't have been too much of a stretch, I suppose. This question had the third-highest drop/sheep count, with 8 total (behind beef with 15 and Transformers with 19 drop/sheep uses).

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10) Polygon and number required. We had to have one actual math question on this. A square is a regular polygon – a polygon whose sides have equal length, and whose interior angles have equal measure. Give the name of another polygon (other than a square) with up to 12 sides, and the measure, in degrees, of one of its interior angles, if that polygon were a regular polygon. If the measure of the angle is not a whole number of degrees, round it to the nearest tenth of a degree. For this question, polygons are distinguished only by their number of sides (i.e. different names for the same polygon will be considered as the same answer).

SHEEP - 1 (+7)
casketromance

Nonagon, 140 degrees (SHEEP) - 7
AFRET CMS
Woof
nklotz
acthomas
wpwells
econgator
9021amyers

(Equilateral) Triangle, 60 degrees - 6
Troydozzy
MattKnowles
Peter the Accountant
sillymonkey
1stlvlthinker
psgola

Pentagon, 108 degrees - 6
floridagator
joenguyen90
threearruda
Ironhorse
MarkBarrett
zerobandwidth

Dodecagon, 150 degrees - 2
clt013
jbeltz

Heptagon, 128.6 degrees - 2
maelinya
jsm378

SINGLETONS
Undecagon (or Hendecagon; 11-sides), 147.3 degrees
AleBelly

Hexagon, 120 degrees
Vintsanity

Not used
Octagon, 135 degrees
Decagon, 144 degrees

DROP - 3
ElendilPickle
Peachbo
Tybalteon

WRONG - 6 (+10)
ChexMix (Triangle, 120)
classicroadster (Dodecahedron, 30)
merica (Pentagon, 72)
gamawire (Hexagon, 60)
oduguy22 (Dodecagon, 30)
twelvefootboy (Nonagon, 133.3)

Notes: This one has a specific formula, so if you knew the formula, you could get all the possible answers. The total of all interior angles in a polygon is 180(N-2), where N is the number of sides, so a triangle's interior angles add up to 180(3-1) = 180 degrees, and a pentagon's interior angles add up to 180(5-2) = 540 degrees. Divide by the number of angles to get A = 180(N-2)/N, the measure of one of the equal interior angles in that regular polygon. Oddly enough, of the six who missed this, five of them put down the measure of an EXTERIOR angle, or 180 minus the measure of an interior angle (assuming that "dodecahedron" was trying for the 12-sided polygon known as a dodecaGON).

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Scores after Q10:

1. ElendilPickle - 35
2. Tybalteon - 35
3. floridagator - 38
4. threearruda - 41
5. 9021amyers - 42
6. Vintsanity - 42
7. jsm378 - 42
8. oduguy22 - 43
9. MarkBarrett - 44
10. clt013 - 44
11. jbeltz - 45
12. zerobandwidth - 47
13. AFRET CMS - 48
14. Peachbo - 48
15. Troydozzy - 48
16. Woof - 48
17. gamawire - 48
18. MattKnowles - 49
19. casketromance - 49
20. joenguyen90 - 49
21. twelvefootboy - 49
22. AleBelly - 51
23. acthomas - 51
24. maelinya - 51
25. nklotz - 51
26. wpwells - 52
27. ChexMix - 54
28. psgola - 54
29. 1stlvlthinker - 55
30. sillymonkey - 56
31. Ironhorse - 57
32. econgator - 60
33. Peter the Accountant - 61
34. classicroadster - 61
35. merica - 62

Bonus scoring and final standings coming soon!

[acthomas]

Seeing the answer I expected to be a lower score turn into the sheep is the very defining characteristic of the TD experience, isn't it?

[Peter the accountant]

One thing that would have helped me is to have larger pictures. Those pictures are pretty small, even on my large computer monitors. I immediately gave up reading the quiz on my phone. That was hopeless.

Not that it would have helped on the sports question, as I only follow baseball and didn't recognize either of the two choices by face. The names are familiar, though. The rest could have been Waldo for all I knew. (I'm still looking for him, BTW. )

Clearly, my score is right where it belongs.

[SenseiCAY]

One thing that would have helped me is to have larger pictures. Those pictures are pretty small, even on my large computer monitors. I immediately gave up reading the quiz on my phone. That was hopeless.

Not that it would have helped on the sports question, as I only follow baseball and didn't recognize either of the two choices by face. The names are familiar, though. The rest could have been Waldo for all I knew. (I'm still looking for him, BTW. )

Clearly, my score is right where it belongs.

Noted on the pictures. I'll make 'em bigger next time.

[merica]

last place with one wrong answer. Sweet. And had I remembered my angles on the pentagon question, I would have "saved" only three points anyway. I'm still hoping for a top 10 finish someday...someday. Certainly not today! Great game though.

[SenseiCAY]

11. Bonus (-3 points) - name a USDA grade of beef other than prime, choice, or select.

Correct answers that got a bonus of -3 points were any of:

• Standard
• Commercial
• Utility
• Cutter
• Canner

Bonus recipients - 9 (-3 points each)
jsm378
jbeltz
casketromance
ElendilPickle
twelvefootboy
gamawire
floridagator
AFRET CMS
9021amyers

Best wrong answers:
MattKnowles - "Prison Grade"
acthomas - "Circus"
Vintsanity - "Zoo grade"

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12. Bonus (-3 points) - 3 prime jersey numbers that Deion "Prime Time" Sanders could have worn in the NFL at his position.

Most people got this one - cornerbacks (defensive backs) are allowed to wear numbers from 20-49 in the NFL, so naming any three primes in that range (23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47) would have gotten you the bonus here.

Bonus recipients (-3 points each):
joenguyen90
jbeltz
floridagator
clt013
gamawire
classicroadster
casketromance
1stlvlthinker
econgator
wpwells
AleBelly
merica
zerobandwidth
AFRET CMS
Woof
threearruda
Peter the Accountant
ChexMix
Vintsanity
Peachbo
MarkBarrett
nklotz
9021amyers

Wrong answers (10-yard penalty and an automatic first down for everyone else):
MattKnowles (31, 37, 39)
oduguy22 (83, 87, 89)
acthomas (83, 89, 97)
Tybalteon (19, 23, 29)
twelvefootboy (23, 27, 29)
jsm378 (25, 36, 49)

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13. Bonus (up to -3 points) - up to 2 losing nominees in the category you picked on #9.

You were not required to get #9 right to get the bonus here (i.e. even if you named the wrong winner, if you named two losing nominees here, you still got the bonus). Not gonna list all of the categories and losing nominees here - go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/69th_Prim ... mmy_Awards for details.

10 players successfully named two losing nominees in their chosen category on #9 (-3 points):
MarkBarrett
ElendilPickle
casketromance
floridagator
Tybalteon
jbeltz
joenguyen90
econgator
9021amyers
gamawire

3 players correctly named one losing nominee (-1 point):
AFRET CMS
acthomas
merica

6 players submitted at least one wrong response (grounded; no TV for a week):
oduguy22 (named categories other than what was chosen on #9)
ChexMix (H - Aziz Ansari was nominated, Jim Parsons was not)
AleBelly (C - Neither Ellen nor Chelsea were nominated)
Troydozzy (B - Silicon Valley was nominated, but you picked category A on #9)
sillymonkey (G - Neither Survivor nor Big Brother were nominated)
jsm378 (C - Neither Daily Show nor Tonight Show were nominated)

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14. Take a bonus of -4 if you correctly responded to all 10 questions, using neither your DROP nor your SHEEP options.

Two players received bonuses of -4 points:
wpwells
jsm378

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FINAL STANDINGS

Participant ribbons:
33. Peter the Accountant - 58
33. classicroadster - 58
33. merica - 58
32. Ironhorse - 57
31. sillymonkey - 56
29. econgator - 54
29. psgola - 54
28. 1stlvlthinker - 52
26. ChexMix - 51
26. maelinya - 51
25. acthomas - 50
24. MattKnowles - 49
21. AleBelly - 48
21. Troydozzy - 48
21. nklotz - 48
20. twelvefootboy - 46
17. Peachbo - 45
17. Woof - 45
17. wpwells - 45
16. zerobandwidth - 44
14. joenguyen90 - 43
14. oduguy22 - 43
12. AFRET CMS - 41
12. clt013 - 41
11. casketromance - 40

The top ten:
9. Vintsanity - 39
9. gamawire - 39
7. MarkBarrett - 38
7. threearruda - 38
6. jbeltz - 36
5. jsm378 - 35
4. 9021amyers - 33

On the podium
3. Tybalteon - 32

And your CO-CHAMPIONS
1. ElendilPickle - 29
1. floridagator - 29

Congratulations to floridagator and ElendilPickle and thanks to all who played! This was a lot of fun to do, and hopefully I'll do another one soon. Until next time!

[AFRET CMS]

Lots of fun, though some answers I was kind of proud of turned out to be sheep and a couple of answers I was resignedly expecting to ding me for a lot of points turned out to be surprisingly unpopular -- that's what makes TD so interesting!

I almost, as a guess, went with The Four Seasons instead of Adele for "Big Bird Doesn't Fly." Glad that tiny nagging voice of doubt in the back of my head saved about 3 points, though it mattered not a lot in the standings.

Thanks for a fun and thought-provoking set of questions!

[zerobandwidth]

16th place with a score of 44!

• 16 is a square, equalling the product of the score's digits (4 × 4)
• 16 is also the lowest square of a square of a prime — (2²)² — the next one of these is 81.
• 44 is 4 × 11, the product of a square and a prime
• 44 - 16 = 28, 28 = 4 × 7, another product of a square and a prime

I would ask if there were a bonus for Best Thematic Numerology but any points deducted would wreck it.

Thanks again for a challenging and fun TD!

[clt013]

Thanks for putting this together and hosting!

[Peter the accountant]

Thank you for hosting this TD.

Now, can I just forget this one existed?? I can't even get last place right, having to share it with others.

[SenseiCAY]

Thank you for hosting this TD.

Now, can I just forget this one existed?? I can't even get last place right, having to share it with others.

Yeah, even I managed a distant outright last on TD 360.

[Ironhorse]

Thanks for hosting!

My lichess handle is Mennonite, though I mostly play correspondence time limits due to limited time.