Monday, January 1, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Re: Monday, January 1, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by seaborgium » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:20 am

Robert K S wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:54 am
seaborgium wrote:
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Like a stutter and a reiteration of what came immediately before the stutter.
It's the only explanation that makes sense, but if you're allowed to start over in the middle of a BEFORE & AFTER response to repeat the linking part, it kind of ruins the point of the category. (Would "undefeated boxer... boxer shorts" have been counted as a correct solve in the New Year's Day Wheel?)
That's not a good comparison, because Wheel is more stringent with how things are said. The guy who mispronounced "Achilles" would get away with the same pronunciation (albeit with a correction from Alex) if he responded thusly to a clue on J! (provided, of course, that Achilles was the correct response).

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Re: Monday, January 1, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by OldSchoolChamp » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:46 am

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Everybody on this forum seems to be surprised that they had a BMS for the pope but nobody has shown surprise that the reigning Jeopardy! champion didn't know who the pope was. Sometimes I forget that it's not John Paul II so I can sympathize with him.
Wait . . . you mean it isn’t Pius XII?
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Re: Monday, January 1, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by opusthepenguin » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:09 am

seaborgium wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:56 am
Robert K S wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:40 pm
Was no one else surprised that Alex didn't recall money for Lisa's response of "What is will.i.am... biambic pentameter?"
I think it was interpreted as "will.i.am—b—i.am-bic pentameter." Like a stutter and a reiteration of what came immediately before the stutter. I thought she was just responding with both things pronounced separately, but one couldn't prove that she intended it as such. As a hypothetical example: I think they would accept a response of "What is All Quiet on the We—on the Western Front?"
Good example. I definitely noticed the repetition and wondered if it would cost Lisa. But once her response was accepted, I didn't expect a reversal. I don't think a reversal would have been fair since Lisa wasn't offered the opportunity to say her response again.

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Re: Monday, January 1, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by davey » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:10 am

flutist319 wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:53 am

• Now I'm wondering what the ruling would be for something like "Feelin' Groovy". The title word is "feelin'", not "feeling", but (unless you enunciate very carefully) the nasal will tend to assimilate to the place of articulation of the following velar, resulting in a pronunciation that's indistinguishable from "feeling groovy". Hmmm…
If the result is indistinguishable then it's not hard to predict that whichever the intention, it will be accepted. Something like Singin' in the Rain is a more interesting test case. We know Singing... has been accepted in the past.
The judges' reasoning may be that Gangsta is not a different pronunciation, but a separate word with its own meaning. The entry for "Gangster" in Urban Dictionary draws a distinction...
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Re: Monday, January 1, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by opusthepenguin » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:14 am

MarkBarrett wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:41 pm
davey wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:58 pm
opusthepenguin wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:08 pm


Is this the first time Alex has indicated that he maybe knows contestants' FJ responses before they're revealed?
Posters have been saying that this is the case for years but tonight was the clearest evidence I've ever seen for it.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3133&start=20#p188637

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3133&start=40#p188692

Alex knows what will happen with the FJ! round responses after the music and before the reveal. When you remember and pay attention to that fact there are tells for what is going to happen. I try to block it out and not pick up on the hints as Alex goes to each player although sometimes it's tough to ignore the signs.
The second link get us to your post with a picture of Alex's cards:
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His FJ card suggests that he doesn't know the outcome ahead of time. It has the players' pre-FJ scores and calculations for both possibilities for each player--i.e. the amount if the player misses and the amount if the player gets it right.

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Re: Monday, January 1, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by opusthepenguin » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:36 am

davey wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:10 am
The judges' reasoning may be that Gangsta is not a different pronunciation, but a separate word with its own meaning. The entry for "Gangster" in Urban Dictionary draws a distinction...
Good thought. I like it.

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Post by OntarioQuizzer » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:40 am

opusthepenguin wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:14 am
His FJ card suggests that he doesn't know the outcome ahead of time. It has the players' pre-FJ scores and calculations for both possibilities for each player--i.e. the amount if the player misses and the amount if the player gets it right.
Does Alex not have the judges in his ear telling him which contestants got Final Jeopardy! correct?

I, for one, noticed, especially with Brandon Randall's first win, that Alex really played up the drama on Brandon's single-get Final to win from third place (with the dramatic pause and the "you're right".)
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Re: Monday, January 1, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Clue Jungry » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:57 am

In the Annual Events category, I said Rockefeller Plaza instead of Rockefeller Center. Judges?

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Re: Monday, January 1, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by alietr » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:00 am

Clue Jungry wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:57 am
In the Annual Events category, I said Rockefeller Plaza instead of Rockefeller Center. Judges?
You're good.

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Re: Monday, January 1, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by opusthepenguin » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:25 pm

OntarioQuizzer wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:40 am
opusthepenguin wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:14 am
His FJ card suggests that he doesn't know the outcome ahead of time. It has the players' pre-FJ scores and calculations for both possibilities for each player--i.e. the amount if the player misses and the amount if the player gets it right.
Does Alex not have the judges in his ear telling him which contestants got Final Jeopardy! correct?
We assume he does, but we're looking for a smoking gun. The image linked to doesn't provide that, but it doesn't prove the contrary either. This thread's game provides some evidence that he does. Before revealing Lisa's response, Alex says, "Now we go to Lisa. She had a choice here, and she picked the wrong place, I believe." That's fairly conclusive, but the "I believe" at the end gives him a little wiggle room to claim he was just speculating. That may even be why he threw it in. He realized he said a little too much and wanted to preserve the fiction that he doesn't know the results until they're revealed. Just like he wants to preserve the fiction that the winner will play again tomohrow rather than in 15 minutes.

So I was just wondering if there were any previous smoking gun remarks that indicate he pre-views contestant responses and wagers. While we're at it, has he ever slipped up and admitted that games are taped in advance at the rate of 5 per day? I remember when he re-grew the mustache and there was an online poll about whether he should keep it. He went so far as to claim the online poll was running about 50-50 when, of course, he couldn't know that since the first mustache game hadn't even aired yet.

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Re: Monday, January 1, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by mxc_takeshi » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:31 pm

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Re: Monday, January 1, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by jeff6286 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:15 pm

While Alex generally keeps up the illusion that each game is taking place on the current day, I struggle to recall a remark as intelligence-insulting as pointing out that the leader clearly didn't stay out partying for New Year's Eve last night.

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Re: Monday, January 1, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by MarkBarrett » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:04 pm

Nick is getting his 15 minutes of fame. Do a Google search of: jeopardy gangsta

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Re: Monday, January 1, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Bamaman » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:09 pm

I didn’t agree with the Pope ruling, but I was equally shocked a Jeopardy player didn’t know the Pope’s name.

I had Chechnia. That was my spelling. I think they’d take that if it had been the right place. But her version should have been negged.

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Re: Monday, January 1, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by DBear » Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:03 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:04 pm
Nick is getting his 15 minutes of fame. Do a Google search of: jeopardy gangsta
ugh, social media :roll: (needs a facepalm smiley)

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Re: Monday, January 1, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by MattKnowles » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:00 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:04 pm
Nick is getting his 15 minutes of fame. Do a Google search of: jeopardy gangsta
I found this article: https://deadspin.com/jeopardy-is-a-hars ... 1821717014

It states:
The correct response? “What is Gangsta’s Paradise Lost?”

Although Nick’s response of “Gangster’s Paradise Lost” was initially accepted, the hard R sound caught the ear of one member of the onstage team, who immediately followed up with a quick check.

It turns out that “gangsta” and “gangster” are both listed separately in the Oxford English Dictionary, each with its own unique definition.

Nick changed not only the song’s title, but also its meaning ­– making his response unacceptable.
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Re: Monday, January 1, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by dhkendall » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:58 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:04 pm
Nick is getting his 15 minutes of fame. Do a Google search of: jeopardy gangsta
You mean I’m no longer the #1 result for that search? :(
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Re: Monday, January 1, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Robert K S » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:59 am

opusthepenguin wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:09 am
once her response was accepted, I didn't expect a reversal. I don't think a reversal would have been fair since Lisa wasn't offered the opportunity to say her response again.
Tell that to Allen Goodman... or the many other players who see a slight mispronunciation result in a reversal with no opportunity for correction.

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Re: Monday, January 1, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by opusthepenguin » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:06 am

Robert K S wrote:
Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:59 am
opusthepenguin wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:09 am
once her response was accepted, I didn't expect a reversal. I don't think a reversal would have been fair since Lisa wasn't offered the opportunity to say her response again.
Tell that to Allen Goodman... or the many other players who see a slight mispronunciation result in a reversal with no opportunity for correction.
I can understand lumping mispronunciations in with repetitions and stutters, but to me they're different. I think the rulings tend to be different as well, but I could be wrong. In which case I'd be wrong about the unfairness.

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Re: Monday, January 1, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Bamaman » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:19 am

I'm fine with them cutting a little bit of slack in trying to pronounce Will I Am bic pentameter.

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