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Thursday, January 25, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Archivists » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:05 pm

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Post by theFJguy » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:23 pm

FINAL JEOPARDY! CATEGORY
19th CENTURY EUROPEANS

FINAL JEOPARDY! CLUE
In an 1889 letter to his brother, he wrote, “I wouldn’t exactly have chosen madness if there had been a choice”

Rachel Lindgren: 10800-0=10800 (5x = $75,999)
Rosie Jonker: 13800-7801=5999
Jeff Machusko: 5200-3000=2200

Correct response:
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Vincent Van Gogh (Rachel – Dostoevsky) (Rosie – Nietzche) (Jeff – Who ?)

Daily Doubles
Rosie: 4000-2000
Jeff: 800+2000
Rosie: 6800+3000

Coryats
Rachel: 10800
Rosie: 14000
Jeff: 4800

Combined: 29,600

Scores at the end of the Jeopardy! Round:
Rachel: 5200
Rosie: 2800
Jeff: minus 800
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Re: Thursday, January 25, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by MarkBarrett » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:24 pm

Alex was ready on the draw when Rachel named the dog and not the city in TIBET SEE as the host just got the neg in before she hit the correction.

There must have been a lot of 15/15 perfect opening segments as I had 14 with nothing seeming tough and only a slow processor kept me from figuring out the Crayola color quickly enough.

The FJ! clue insured me 80% for the week and I spent think time trying to figure out that if there was a miss who was the likely choice. Nietzsche & Dostoyevsky did not occur to me. The detours I thought might steer the players wrong were Dreyfus/Zola or Rasputin.

Second was the place to be in today’s game and Rachel took advantage of her trailing position for the first time not being in first going into the FJ! round.

Five wins matter more than money for the TOC, so Rachel has a lot of time to learn things such as Olympic boycott year before that invite gets to her.

Players below $75,999 for exactly five wins in the doubling era:
Lisa Klink $70,150
Kristin Morgan $69,098
Rani Peffer $68,701
Bob Mesko $68,599
Mark Brown $68,094
Paul Nelson $54,900

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Re: Thursday, January 25, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by MinnesotaMyron » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:27 pm

I think the category might be wrong, FJGuy. Unless you're thinking of Armenia or Cuba. ;)

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Re: Thursday, January 25, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by econgator » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:28 pm

How the hell is that a triple-stumper?

And why does the website keep logging me out every visit?

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Re: Thursday, January 25, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by theFJguy » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:29 pm

MinnesotaMyron wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:27 pm
I think the category might be wrong, FJGuy. Unless you're thinking of Armenia or Cuba. ;)
Thanks, I had my notebook open to Rachel's game 1 instead of 5 when I was filling it out. Fixed.

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Re: Thursday, January 25, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by acthomas » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:33 pm

econgator wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:28 pm
How the hell is that a triple-stumper?
I for one had nothing. If they'd said "artist" as part of the clue I would have stood more of a chance, but without that, "madness" and "brother" led me nowhere.

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Re: Thursday, January 25, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Ironhorse » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:34 pm

After spacing out on yesterday's FJ, I redeemed myself with an instaget. I'm looking forward to seeing Rachel in the ToC.
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Post by OSXpert » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:34 pm

I was only thinking of political figures I think, and I said George IV even though I was pretty sure that was too late for him. That broke an 8 game FJ streak for me.

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Post by xxaaaxx » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:35 pm

Another day, another instaget FJ that the contestants whiffed on. I'm sure plenty of famous 19th c. Euros struggled with mental illness, but given that clue and that timeframe? I couldn't have written van Gogh any faster. I'm shocked none of them even WAGged him.

Welcome to the TOC, Rachel. Not the flashiest run, but slow and steady wins the race. Also, anyone who makes the proper bet from 2nd instead of the usual suicide wager is A-OK in my book.

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Re: Thursday, January 25, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by acthomas » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:46 pm

So the J! Archive has a wagering suggestion that doesn't agree with what happened, but I agree with the real one:
Three-quarters for first place
Jeff (5200): You can't really win on a Triple Stumper, so your best hope is if you're the only one to get Final right. Wager everything but a few dollars.
Rachel (10800): You'll want to wager $3,001, and you'll win the game if Player A wagers enough and gets it wrong.
Rosie (13800): Wager $7,801 to cover Player B.
Under the assumption that Rosie always bets to win, then an underbet like Rachel's, at most $399, is entirely logical.

So I guess my question is: is this a special situation that isn't yet covered in the Archive collection? Or just a math goof? And if the former, what shall we call it?

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Re: Thursday, January 25, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Linear Gnome » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:53 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:24 pm
Alex was ready on the draw when Rachel named the dog and not the city in TIBET SEE as the host just got the neg in before she hit the correction.
I'm slightly bothered by this after something went the other way yesterday (don't want to put spoilers here), but, since the rule is "you can correct yourself until Alex rules you incorrect, and the judges' ruling is final", I suppose that the variability has to be accepted as the equivalent of "ground rules".
MarkBarrett wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:24 pm
The FJ! clue insured me 80% for the week and I spent think time trying to figure out that if there was a miss who was the likely choice. Nietzsche & Dostoyevsky did not occur to me. The detours I thought might steer the players wrong were Dreyfus/Zola or Rasputin.
I am also 4/4 so far this week, but I didn't know that until I checked. I didn't have any particular conviction about the correctness of my response, but it didn't seem obviously wrong.

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Post by Bamaman » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:09 pm

I only went 12-3 in the first quarter of the game, missing rig, sienna, and Heart. I did get FJ pretty quickly, I made sure to put his first name just in case since they were answering for a brother.

I ran Will Rogers pretty easily. Did they just happen to pick three players today who are clueless about him or has his humor passed from the main stage? He died three years before my mother was born, so it's not like he is someone I remember personally. I don't do the J6 clues, but I wonder if the extra Rogers clue was his about not belonging to an organized political party.

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Post by LucarioSnooperVixey » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:19 pm

34 R
DD: 2/3 (Senate, Louisa May Alcott)
FJ: :oops:
LT: James Watt, Cambridge, Colombia, (Senate), Lhasa, Panchen Lama, 1980

Hand in Face after not coming up with Hoi Polloi.

5/5 in 3 letter words. First time I ran a words category. :mrgreen:
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Re: Thursday, January 25, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by xxaaaxx » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:23 pm

acthomas wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:46 pm
So the J! Archive has a wagering suggestion that doesn't agree with what happened, but I agree with the real one:
Three-quarters for first place
Jeff (5200): You can't really win on a Triple Stumper, so your best hope is if you're the only one to get Final right. Wager everything but a few dollars.
Rachel (10800): You'll want to wager $3,001, and you'll win the game if Player A wagers enough and gets it wrong.
Rosie (13800): Wager $7,801 to cover Player B.
Under the assumption that Rosie always bets to win, then an underbet like Rachel's, at most $399, is entirely logical.

So I guess my question is: is this a special situation that isn't yet covered in the Archive collection? Or just a math goof? And if the former, what shall we call it?
Looks like the wagering calc is programmed to suggest covering a $0 bet by the leader in three-quarters scenarios, without any regard for 3rd place. I have no idea if this is optimal, in either mathematical or 'real-world' terms (does the leader bet small often enough to be worth breaking the lock over 3rd? Does WWR happen that often?).
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Re: Thursday, January 25, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Category 13 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:24 pm

acthomas wrote: So the J! Archive has a wagering suggestion that doesn't agree with what happened, but I agree with the real one:
Three-quarters for first place
Jeff (5200): You can't really win on a Triple Stumper, so your best hope is if you're the only one to get Final right. Wager everything but a few dollars.
Rachel (10800): You'll want to wager $3,001, and you'll win the game if Player A wagers enough and gets it wrong.
Rosie (13800): Wager $7,801 to cover Player B.
Under the assumption that Rosie always bets to win, then an underbet like Rachel's, at most $399, is entirely logical.

So I guess my question is: is this a special situation that isn't yet covered in the Archive collection? Or just a math goof? And if the former, what shall we call it?
The 3,001 is to guard against a zero bet from Rosie, which is worth considering (to Rosie) because of the situation.
I think a better martian option for Rachel would be 4,799 since she would still have to get it correct to pass Rosie's standing score.
I recommended an 1,801 wager for Rosie, to counter the potential for Rachel betting intellegently.

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Re: Thursday, January 25, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Peter the accountant » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:31 pm

R: 22, W: 3, costing 2000
FJ: :(
Coryat: 12,200
LT: (Senate), pearly gates
DD: 1/3

I got off to a great start in the first 15, and it was very much down hill from there. Only answered 6 clues in the DJ round. After running the 3 letter words, my brain just wouldn't engage for the rhymes. Only managed one of them. Authors and Producers are hopeless topics for me, but I do know the 3 guys behind MGM, so managed that one.

FJ - wrote down Curie to have something on paper, even though I was pretty sure they (pick one - Marie or her husband) were around at the turn of the 20th century. Couldn't come up with anyone better. Had no idea Van Gogh lost his mind, or that he was alive then. Had him pegged as a century earlier. Oh well, more info to add to the mental records.

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Re: Thursday, January 25, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by squarekara » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:37 pm

Bamaman wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:09 pm

I ran Will Rogers pretty easily. Did they just happen to pick three players today who are clueless about him or has his humor passed from the main stage?
God, I hope not. He's one of the most fascinating people of the 20th century, and I want to recommend the Will Rogers Memorial Museum in Claremore, OK to EVERYONE. (At the moment, I'm using a Will Rogers souvenir drink coaster, such is my devotion.)

Congrats to Rachel on the great run. Her calm, positive vibe goes to show you don't have to go in like a heat-seeking missile to do well in the game.

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Re: Thursday, January 25, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by MarkBarrett » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:40 pm

Bamaman wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:09 pm
I don't do the J6 clues, but I wonder if the extra Rogers clue was his about not belonging to an organized political party.
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