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Re: Cryptic Crosswords

Post by morbeedo » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:48 am

Blue hospital room concerned with issues of the ear (6) (UPDATE: got this one - good clue!)

Carrying out each mascot standing (12) ??

Pronounced gains for people in the forecasting business (8) ???
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Re: Cryptic Crosswords

Post by mikebdoss » Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:36 pm

These are a fascinatingly odd thing that I've never heard of before this thread. Are we just expected to know all the shorthand/codes? Or is there an "official" primer somewhere?

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Re: Cryptic Crosswords

Post by morbeedo » Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:01 pm

mikebdoss wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:36 pm
These are a fascinatingly odd thing that I've never heard of before this thread. Are we just expected to know all the shorthand/codes? Or is there an "official" primer somewhere?
I don't know about an official guide but you can definitely find stuff online. I think cryptics are bigger in the UK, but NY Times and WSJ publish cryptic puzzles. Even Jeopardy! has featured CRYPTIC CROSSWORD CLUES

Have any of you created a regular crossword puzzle? How would you even go about doing that? Do you use crossword writing software?
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Re: Cryptic Crosswords

Post by teapot37 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:49 pm

Yeah, afaik British papers almost exclusively publish cryptics rather than standard crosswords. Over there, "setters" (puzzle creators) usually use pseudonyms, as a tribute to the guy who created them, who called himself Torquemada.
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Re: Cryptic Crosswords

Post by Peter the accountant » Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:58 pm

morbeedo wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:29 am
This one was hard because I've never heard of this thing. Got it by filling in other boxes

Western prop carried by Maria Tallchief (5)
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rifle. It's definitely a western prop. Carried by Maria Tallchief - the letters for "rifle" are in her name.
But you say you've never heard of this thing. I have a hard time believing you've never heard of my solution. So I've certainly got a different solution, which is probably the wrong one. I also don't like that my solution doesn't give a double meaning to "carried by Maria Tallchief." I don't think that's a hard requirement, but it is common enough that it should be looked for.
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Re: Cryptic Crosswords

Post by morbeedo » Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:05 pm

Peter the accountant wrote:
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Western prop carried by Maria Tallchief (5)
Hmm. My first pass at it would be
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rifle. It's definitely a western prop. Carried by Maria Tallchief - the letters for "rifle" are in her name.
But you say you've never heard of this thing. I have a hard time believing you've never heard of my solution. So I've certainly got a different solution, which is probably the wrong one. I also don't like that my solution doesn't give a double meaning to "carried by Maria Tallchief." I don't think that's a hard requirement, but it is common enough that it should be looked for.
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You're thinking of "carried by" the wrong way...
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Re: Cryptic Crosswords

Post by teapot37 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:07 pm

Peter the accountant wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:58 pm
morbeedo wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:29 am
This one was hard because I've never heard of this thing. Got it by filling in other boxes

Western prop carried by Maria Tallchief (5)
Hmm. My first pass at it would be
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rifle. It's definitely a western prop. Carried by Maria Tallchief - the letters for "rifle" are in her name.
But you say you've never heard of this thing. I have a hard time believing you've never heard of my solution. So I've certainly got a different solution, which is probably the wrong one. I also don't like that my solution doesn't give a double meaning to "carried by Maria Tallchief." I don't think that's a hard requirement, but it is common enough that it should be looked for.
From doing enough regular crosswords, I know that
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riata is a synonym for a lasso or lariat. maRIA TAllchief "carries" riata.
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Re: Cryptic Crosswords

Post by immaf » Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:18 pm

mikebdoss wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:36 pm
These are a fascinatingly odd thing that I've never heard of before this thread. Are we just expected to know all the shorthand/codes? Or is there an "official" primer somewhere?
On a trip to England once, I picked up a book that was essentially "cryptic crosswords for beginners." It taught some of the basic tricks and codewords for them, gave examples, and then set you loose on some puzzles.
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Re: Cryptic Crosswords

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Need help finishing this. It takes a village, people!
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Re: Cryptic Crosswords

Post by Peter the accountant » Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:19 pm

Got it. Thank you both. Once again, I'm in the neighborhood, but not in quite the right area.

So "carried by" is going to imply consecutive letters in order. I'm having trouble figuring out when to anagram and when to look for consecutive letters.
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Re: Cryptic Crosswords

Post by teapot37 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:28 pm

Polish person with a strong desire (6)
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In this case "polish" being at the beginning of the clue is a trick, it doesn't refer to the nationality but the glow or sheen or LUSTER of an object.
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Re: Cryptic Crosswords

Post by morbeedo » Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:44 pm

teapot37 wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:28 pm
Polish person with a strong desire (6)
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In this case "polish" being at the beginning of the clue is a trick, it doesn't refer to the nationality but the glow or sheen or LUSTER of an object.
Ohhhh. I was never getting that in a million years ;)
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Re: Cryptic Crosswords

Post by teapot37 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:50 pm

Carrying out each mascot standing (12)
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each = PER, mascot = PET, standing = RATING => carrying out = PERPETRATING
Pronounced gains for people in the forecasting business (8)
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PROPHETS is what makes sense as "people in the forecasting business" but I haven't figured out the rest of the clue yet...
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Re: Cryptic Crosswords

Post by seaborgium » Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:13 pm

teapot37 wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:50 pm
Pronounced gains for people in the forecasting business (8)
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PROPHETS is what makes sense as "people in the forecasting business" but I haven't figured out the rest of the clue yet...
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gains = profits = pronounced identically to prophets

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Re: Cryptic Crosswords

Post by teapot37 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:16 pm

Thanks, I was trying to have
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for = PRO and then couldn't make sense of PHETS.
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Re: Cryptic Crosswords

Post by morbeedo » Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:42 pm

seaborgium wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:13 pm
teapot37 wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:50 pm
Pronounced gains for people in the forecasting business (8)
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PROPHETS is what makes sense as "people in the forecasting business" but I haven't figured out the rest of the clue yet...
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gains = profits = pronounced identically to prophets
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Awesome! I figured this was a 'sounds like' clue and immediately translated gains to profits but stopped there
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Re: Cryptic Crosswords

Post by morbeedo » Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:43 pm

teapot37 wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:50 pm
Carrying out each mascot standing (12)
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each = PER, mascot = PET, standing = RATING => carrying out = PERPETRATING
Yeah. Not in a million years, but it makes sense now :)
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Re: Cryptic Crosswords

Post by morbeedo » Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:58 pm

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Re: Cryptic Crosswords

Post by morbeedo » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:30 am

I started a new puzzle and need some help :?

I think I got this one: One in 3,000 - first-class liberal man, for example
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M-a-MM + A + L = mammal (man, for ex.) - but how does liberal translate to just L
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Re: Cryptic Crosswords

Post by morbeedo » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:36 am

This is the puzzle I'm working on, if anyone wants to play along. Just use the spoiler box if posting solutions
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