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twelvefootboy wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:21 am
I don't care what the contestants do in the intro. It's really kind of an anachronistic way to begin the show. Maybe they could all come up from the floor like in Hunger Games?

OK, MB - I'll take the over at 80% 8-) . Currently 17/19 I think, so it can roll over quickly. And we'll count each Canadian answer at par to the dollar.
Touche. I'm not saying it's a moral issue. It's just getting to me lately. Austin was unique. This is becoming derivative, like Sports Jeopardy. But not nearly as annoying as leaving ten clues unseen when there isn't even a Targaryen category on the board.

I'm with the over. In the event I go 0/5 in a week, I hide my head in shame and avoid everything J-related for a while.
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My question is... will I get an FJ! right by my birthday (March 10)?
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Anachronism wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:03 pm Maybe those who have been on recently could answer this, but are the producers telling contestants to do weird things during the intro? It's getting really old, fast. Are they putting the smiley-faces on the nameplates as well, or do contestants do that themselves?
No none of that was suggested by the staff, as of the end of November when I was taping.

The silly intro moves are undoubtedly Austin-influenced. (we are now seeing shows taped well after Austin’s run...)

As for the smiley-face, I don’t think that’s such a new trend. It was Ken Jennings’s memorable artistry that inspired me to try to do SOMETHING notable with my name - too bad I’m such a useless artist that two dots and an arc was literally the only thing I could cleanly pull off.
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twelvefootboy wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:21 am This sub-committee chair on the ASTM E20 Temperature Measurement committee didn't get the absolute zero answer. Between the geographical category, the failure to mention a lab environment (I think), and degrees F - REALLY? I'm not up to date with who's chasing the record for lowest temp, I find it as boring and unscientific as man-made heavy elements and manned space programs. But I do think the record is way lower than the 0.05 K mentioned in the clue. [edit - a quick google gave 100 picoKelvin ( 0.000 000 000 100) - and condensed matter physics is quite important, just not this pandering to hold the record for the bragging rights]
Curse of knowledge bit me here too. I was an undergrad when the Nobel for Bose-Einstein condensates was awarded, and they routinely talked about getting the temperature *well* below 0.05 K as part of the experimental protocol. And then if it's just a regular environment, and not a lab apparatus, you're not getting anywhere close to absolute zero within the earth.

OTOH, "name a very cold temperature" is practically Pavlovian for absolute zero, so.
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twelvefootboy wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:21 am This sub-committee chair on the ASTM E20 Temperature Measurement committee didn't get the absolute zero answer. Between the geographical category, the failure to mention a lab environment (I think), and degrees F - REALLY? I'm not up to date with who's chasing the record for lowest temp, I find it as boring and unscientific as man-made heavy elements and manned space programs. But I do think the record is way lower than the 0.05 K mentioned in the clue. [edit - a quick google gave 100 picoKelvin ( 0.000 000 000 100) - and condensed matter physics is quite important, just not this pandering to hold the record for the bragging rights]
I don't remember the exact wording of the clue, but I'm pretty sure the work at the Soudan mine is not about trying to achieve a record for lowest temp; I think it's a neutrino detector that just happens to need really low temperatures.
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TenPoundHammer wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:15 pm No, the church organist did not get "All Creatures Great and Small". I don't think we've ever done that hymn at any of the churches I've played for.
To be fair I don’t think I’ve ever heard the hymn either, I got it from the book title - that I know was named for a hymn I’ve heard of (but not heard).
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Foretopman wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:13 am
twelvefootboy wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:21 am This sub-committee chair on the ASTM E20 Temperature Measurement committee didn't get the absolute zero answer. Between the geographical category, the failure to mention a lab environment (I think), and degrees F - REALLY? I'm not up to date with who's chasing the record for lowest temp, I find it as boring and unscientific as man-made heavy elements and manned space programs. But I do think the record is way lower than the 0.05 K mentioned in the clue. [edit - a quick google gave 100 picoKelvin ( 0.000 000 000 100) - and condensed matter physics is quite important, just not this pandering to hold the record for the bragging rights]
I don't remember the exact wording of the clue, but I'm pretty sure the work at the Soudan mine is not about trying to achieve a record for lowest temp; I think it's a neutrino detector that just happens to need really low temperatures.
For some reason I didn’t think that anywhere near absolute zero was achievable on earth outside man made situations, which is why I rejected it. I mean I know Minnesota is cold but I didn’t know it was that cold!
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dhkendall wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:23 am
TenPoundHammer wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:15 pm No, the church organist did not get "All Creatures Great and Small". I don't think we've ever done that hymn at any of the churches I've played for.
To be fair I don’t think I’ve ever heard the hymn either, I got it from the book title - that I know was named for a hymn I’ve heard of (but not heard).
I was the opposite. I've heard of the hymn, but not the book.
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RobW wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:52 am
Anachronism wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:03 pm Maybe those who have been on recently could answer this, but are the producers telling contestants to do weird things during the intro? It's getting really old, fast. Are they putting the smiley-faces on the nameplates as well, or do contestants do that themselves?
No none of that was suggested by the staff, as of the end of November when I was taping.

The silly intro moves are undoubtedly Austin-influenced. (we are now seeing shows taped well after Austin’s run...)

As for the smiley-face, I don’t think that’s such a new trend. It was Ken Jennings’s memorable artistry that inspired me to try to do SOMETHING notable with my name - too bad I’m such a useless artist that two dots and an arc was literally the only thing I could cleanly pull off.
The staff gave no instructions or hints as to how to behave during the intro, as of late October when I taped. If you're as self-conscious as I am about this, it's actually hard to stand still for the few seconds of camera time. Very few of us are used to looking pretty for the camera.
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cthulhu wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:06 am Given the "gotta give the entire name" ethos that has infested FJ over the last year, I'm disappointed that nobody answered "What is Frankenstein; or the Modern Prometheus?"
Only to run out of time and only have "What is Frankenstein or the Modern Prometh" and subsequently be ruled incorrect
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DavidRosen wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:07 am
RobW wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:52 am
Anachronism wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:03 pm Maybe those who have been on recently could answer this, but are the producers telling contestants to do weird things during the intro? It's getting really old, fast. Are they putting the smiley-faces on the nameplates as well, or do contestants do that themselves?
No none of that was suggested by the staff, as of the end of November when I was taping.

The silly intro moves are undoubtedly Austin-influenced. (we are now seeing shows taped well after Austin’s run...)

As for the smiley-face, I don’t think that’s such a new trend. It was Ken Jennings’s memorable artistry that inspired me to try to do SOMETHING notable with my name - too bad I’m such a useless artist that two dots and an arc was literally the only thing I could cleanly pull off.
The staff gave no instructions or hints as to how to behave during the intro, as of late October when I taped. If you're as self-conscious as I am about this, it's actually hard to stand still for the few seconds of camera time. Very few of us are used to looking pretty for the camera.
It is a long time to stare into a camera - and it's pretty unnatural, as evidenced by the fact that so many people hate their driver's license and/or passport photos. It seems like this is where the show should exercise a little common sense - do a practice run and let folks see how they look or have someone to offer some pointers (if they don't do any of that already).
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Foretopman wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:13 amI don't remember the exact wording of the clue, but I'm pretty sure the work at the Soudan mine is not about trying to achieve a record for lowest temp; I think it's a neutrino detector that just happens to need really low temperatures.
We'd have to say the Soudan underground lab has the coolest spot in Minnesota -- about .01 degrees F. above this.

I suspect that a deep knowledge of a subject is sometimes a hindrance. I'm not saying that knowing a subject well is a bad thing at all, but sometimes it keeps you from quickly getting to a response in J! that others with somewhat less knowledge (like me) will get quickly.

Really cold. In Minnesota, known for cold weather. Need to peg to something fairly accurately, to .01 degrees (really doesn't matter if its F or C or K). Gotta be absolute zero. Anything else can't be measured that accurately or is too subject to fluctuation or is too esoteric.
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twelvefootboy wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:21 am This sub-committee chair on the ASTM E20 Temperature Measurement committee didn't get the absolute zero answer. Between the geographical category, the failure to mention a lab environment (I think), and degrees F - REALLY?
Would you have been satisfied with degrees Rankine? :D

I'll admit this one threw me off for an instant, but quickly recovered to realize it must be asbsolute zero even though it was phrased rather strangely.
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Peter the accountant wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:32 am
Foretopman wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:13 amI don't remember the exact wording of the clue, but I'm pretty sure the work at the Soudan mine is not about trying to achieve a record for lowest temp; I think it's a neutrino detector that just happens to need really low temperatures.
We'd have to say the Soudan underground lab has the coolest spot in Minnesota -- about .01 degrees F. above this.

I suspect that a deep knowledge of a subject is sometimes a hindrance. I'm not saying that knowing a subject well is a bad thing at all, but sometimes it keeps you from quickly getting to a response in J! that others with somewhat less knowledge (like me) will get quickly.

Really cold. In Minnesota, known for cold weather. Need to peg to something fairly accurately, to .01 degrees (really doesn't matter if its F or C or K). Gotta be absolute zero. Anything else can't be measured that accurately or is too subject to fluctuation or is too esoteric.
All the other clues in the category were about natural phenomena. You had to focus on the word "lab" in this clue to realize they were probably talking about something induced - most people probably were thrown thinking about normal cold places in Minnesota. (In going back to look at this clue I first thought it had been in the Weather category...) I got it only because of the lag when the contestants didn't ring in, taking a stab at the coldest thing I knew, sure it couldn't be right. (Sometimes, it is good to guess...)
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davey wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:48 am
Peter the accountant wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:32 am
Foretopman wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:13 amI don't remember the exact wording of the clue, but I'm pretty sure the work at the Soudan mine is not about trying to achieve a record for lowest temp; I think it's a neutrino detector that just happens to need really low temperatures.
We'd have to say the Soudan underground lab has the coolest spot in Minnesota -- about .01 degrees F. above this.

I suspect that a deep knowledge of a subject is sometimes a hindrance. I'm not saying that knowing a subject well is a bad thing at all, but sometimes it keeps you from quickly getting to a response in J! that others with somewhat less knowledge (like me) will get quickly.

Really cold. In Minnesota, known for cold weather. Need to peg to something fairly accurately, to .01 degrees (really doesn't matter if its F or C or K). Gotta be absolute zero. Anything else can't be measured that accurately or is too subject to fluctuation or is too esoteric.
All the other clues in the category were about natural phenomena. You had to focus on the word "lab" in this clue to realize they were probably talking about something induced - most people probably were thrown thinking about normal cold places in Minnesota. (In going back to look at this clue I first thought it had been in the Weather category...) I got it only because of the lag when the contestants didn't ring in, taking a stab at the coldest thing I knew, sure it couldn't be right. (Sometimes, it is good to guess...)
I got there by asking "what temperature could it be .01 degrees above?" Freezing made no sense in context, leaving nothing else for but absolute zero.
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Been away a while, but one question sent me to the internet looking for details, and that brought me back here. Usually when I am puzzled by a ruling, a little research quickly exposes what I thought wrong. This time I am still puzzled...

Can anyone explain how "...Revolutionary War" was a wrong response to the paper money clue? Even the Bureau of Printing and Engraving mentions the paper continentals of the Rev. War that were issued by the CC. How can those not count as national paper currency (since they were issued by a national congress)? Did I misread the clue? If not, then what would a player need to know (other than seeing another player be ruled wrong) to avoid falling into that trap?

PS: Abs zero and Frahnkensteen were both insta-gets.

PPS: Including the symbol Hg when asking for mercury? That's giving away the correct response in the clue.
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Uncle Jeff wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:27 pm Been away a while, but one question sent me to the internet looking for details, and that brought me back here. Usually when I am puzzled by a ruling, a little research quickly exposes what I thought wrong. This time I am still puzzled...

Can anyone explain how "...Revolutionary War" was a wrong response to the paper money clue? Even the Bureau of Printing and Engraving mentions the paper continentals of the Rev. War that were issued by the CC. How can those not count as national paper currency (since they were issued by a national congress)? Did I misread the clue? If not, then what would a player need to know (other than seeing another player be ruled wrong) to avoid falling into that trap?

ROCK, PAPER & SCISSORS $800: The U.S. printed its first national paper currency during this war

If "national" is not the problem then what is left from the short wording of the clue? "U.S.?"
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Uncle Jeff wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:27 pm Can anyone explain how "...Revolutionary War" was a wrong response to the paper money clue? Even the Bureau of Printing and Engraving mentions the paper continentals of the Rev. War that were issued by the CC. How can those not count as national paper currency (since they were issued by a national congress)? Did I misread the clue? If not, then what would a player need to know (other than seeing another player be ruled wrong) to avoid falling into that trap?
Did the U.S. exist during the Revolutionary War?

I bit on that too; answered before my brain caught up.
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Woof wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:03 pm
davey wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:48 am
Peter the accountant wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:32 am
Foretopman wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:13 amI don't remember the exact wording of the clue, but I'm pretty sure the work at the Soudan mine is not about trying to achieve a record for lowest temp; I think it's a neutrino detector that just happens to need really low temperatures.
We'd have to say the Soudan underground lab has the coolest spot in Minnesota -- about .01 degrees F. above this.

I suspect that a deep knowledge of a subject is sometimes a hindrance. I'm not saying that knowing a subject well is a bad thing at all, but sometimes it keeps you from quickly getting to a response in J! that others with somewhat less knowledge (like me) will get quickly.

Really cold. In Minnesota, known for cold weather. Need to peg to something fairly accurately, to .01 degrees (really doesn't matter if its F or C or K). Gotta be absolute zero. Anything else can't be measured that accurately or is too subject to fluctuation or is too esoteric.
All the other clues in the category were about natural phenomena. You had to focus on the word "lab" in this clue to realize they were probably talking about something induced - most people probably were thrown thinking about normal cold places in Minnesota. (In going back to look at this clue I first thought it had been in the Weather category...) I got it only because of the lag when the contestants didn't ring in, taking a stab at the coldest thing I knew, sure it couldn't be right. (Sometimes, it is good to guess...)
I got there by asking "what temperature could it be .01 degrees above?" Freezing made no sense in context, leaving nothing else for but absolute zero.
I think it is a fine clue, I just missed the "lab" TOM. If they'd said "lab" in ANY OTHER FREAKING STATE I'd have been able to tune out the Fahrenheit decoy and taken the free money. Fun fact - the coldest places in the history of the UNIVERSE are in these cryo-labs on Earth and wherever the Penguin goes every winter :lol: .
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