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Re: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by DBear » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:27 am

I got to be wrong twice on FJ--50/50 between dates & figs. Crossed out dates.

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Re: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by billiej » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:51 pm

Elijah Baley wrote:
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I came up with apricots - and it turns out Turkey is the largest producer of dried apricots. Cherries would have been far down on the list of fruits I'd associate with Turkey - and definitely behind figs, olives and dates. The etymology of Cerasus was Greek to me.
I did the same thing. My brother lived in Turkey for a few years, so I knew apricots (and cashews) were big. Also considered figs. When I saw one response of "dates", I thought at first that might be right. Wouldn't have come up with cherries if you gave me all day.

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Post by h2o_girl » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:06 pm

I also guessed apricots - would've never thought cherries in a zillion years. I live in Washington state and worked in a cherry packing warehouse when I was a teenager - had no idea Turkey grew cherries. :?

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Re: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by alietr » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:08 pm

Am I crazy, or did Alex pronounce Cerasus with a hard c? That led me further away from the answer.

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Re: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by Elijah Baley » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:23 pm

alietr wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:08 pm
Am I crazy, or did Alex pronounce Cerasus with a hard c? That led me further away from the answer.
He did, but that made it sound more like cherries than I was pronouncing it in my head from reading the clue in the NY Times. Even if I waited until hearing him say it, I would still have been thinking anything but cherries, however - just seemed too unlikely to be a Turkish staple.

Is c generally pronounced like k in Latin? It's been decades for me.

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Re: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by davey » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:37 pm

MDCSWildcats86 wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:50 am
davey wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:08 pm
I wonder if more would have gotten FJ if the category was Word Origins rather than Agriculture. When I made that change in thinking I moved on from figs to the correct response, but that was a good 15 seconds in...

I think TURKEY would have been a better category than WORD ORIGINS.
Several people have posted that they'd never associate Turkey with cherries so it seems like the connection isn't nearly as helpful as thinking about the sound and possible etymology of the word...

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Post by LucarioSnooperVixey » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:09 pm

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Re: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by 9021amyers » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:17 pm

davey wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:37 pm
MDCSWildcats86 wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:50 am
davey wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:08 pm
I wonder if more would have gotten FJ if the category was Word Origins rather than Agriculture. When I made that change in thinking I moved on from figs to the correct response, but that was a good 15 seconds in...

I think TURKEY would have been a better category than WORD ORIGINS.
Several people have posted that they'd never associate Turkey with cherries so it seems like the connection isn't nearly as helpful as thinking about the sound and possible etymology of the word...
The presence of Turkey was a bit of a misdirect, offering an A-to-B path to an incorrect response (a common fruit cultivated in the Mediterranean/Middle East > dates or figs), rather than an A-to-C path to the correct response (Cerasus > looks like cerise > French for cherry).

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Re: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by MarkBarrett » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:20 pm

9021amyers wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:17 pm
davey wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:37 pm
MDCSWildcats86 wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:50 am
davey wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:08 pm
I wonder if more would have gotten FJ if the category was Word Origins rather than Agriculture. When I made that change in thinking I moved on from figs to the correct response, but that was a good 15 seconds in...

I think TURKEY would have been a better category than WORD ORIGINS.
Several people have posted that they'd never associate Turkey with cherries so it seems like the connection isn't nearly as helpful as thinking about the sound and possible etymology of the word...
The presence of Turkey was a bit of a misdirect, offering an A-to-B path to an incorrect response (a common fruit cultivated in the Mediterranean/Middle East > dates or figs), rather than an A-to-C path to the correct response (Cerasus > looks like cerise > French for cherry).
There is also memorizing the Archive:

#6777, aired 2014-02-18 FRUITS & VEGETABLES $800: Prunus cerasus is the botanical name for the sour type of this popular pie fruit
#3472, aired 1999-10-12 FRUIT IN LATIN $200: I cannot tell a lie, this fruit is cerasus

I guess Roger Craig got it right?

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Re: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by Saturnalia » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:23 pm

9021amyers wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:17 pm


The presence of Turkey was a bit of a misdirect, offering an A-to-B path to an incorrect response (a common fruit cultivated in the Mediterranean/Middle East > dates or figs), rather than an A-to-C path to the correct response (Cerasus > looks like cerise > French for cherry).
Not just French -- the Spanish word is cereza, which might be more of a help.

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Post by 9021amyers » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:31 pm

Saturnalia wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:23 pm
9021amyers wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:17 pm


The presence of Turkey was a bit of a misdirect, offering an A-to-B path to an incorrect response (a common fruit cultivated in the Mediterranean/Middle East > dates or figs), rather than an A-to-C path to the correct response (Cerasus > looks like cerise > French for cherry).
Not just French -- the Spanish word is cereza, which might be more of a help.
Recognizing “Cerasus” as a Latin name can point you in the right direction any number of ways.

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Re: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by seaborgium » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:33 pm

9021amyers wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:31 pm
Saturnalia wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:23 pm
9021amyers wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:17 pm


The presence of Turkey was a bit of a misdirect, offering an A-to-B path to an incorrect response (a common fruit cultivated in the Mediterranean/Middle East > dates or figs), rather than an A-to-C path to the correct response (Cerasus > looks like cerise > French for cherry).
Not just French -- the Spanish word is cereza, which might be more of a help.
Recognizing “Cerasus” as a Latin name can point you in the right direction any number of ways.
Except it's Greek.

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Post by mxc_takeshi » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:59 pm

39 right.

Good Grooming (0), Opera Heroines (3), Time Rhyme (1), King of the Castle (4), Extreme Sports? (2), The FBI's 10 Most Wanted List (4)
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I went with dates as well; I assumed the city was a clue, but I couldn't get anything from it.

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Re: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by OrangeSAM » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:37 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:26 pm
9021amyers wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:23 pm

To be blunt, the type of person who has never shown any curiosity to where common expressions came from, is not someone who is going to succeed on Jeopardy! You have to know things, and you have to be capable of some deductible reasoning to fill in the gaps you don’t know.
Blah blah blah vintager. That must be someone who deals in antiques right?
I call BS.

Let me lay this on you:
"Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord.
He is stamping out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored..."
You must have sung this scores of times and have learned to play this on organ.
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Re: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by AFRET CMS » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:08 am

Elijah Baley wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:23 pm
alietr wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:08 pm
Am I crazy, or did Alex pronounce Cerasus with a hard c? That led me further away from the answer.
He did, but that made it sound more like cherries than I was pronouncing it in my head from reading the clue in the NY Times. Even if I waited until hearing him say it, I would still have been thinking anything but cherries, however - just seemed too unlikely to be a Turkish staple.

Is c generally pronounced like k in Latin? It's been decades for me.
If I'd been thinking of the Turkish pronunciation, it might have come clearer for me. In modern Turkish, a C is pronounced like a cross between the "dj" in "adjust" and a "ch" diphthong. Incirlik Air Base outside of Adana is pronounced approximately "injure-lick," Cigli Airport serving Izmer is more like "Chilly," and the current president Recep Erdogan's first name is close to "Redjep." If Cerasus uses the Turkish pronunciation, "cherry" is a lot more gettable. Spent a LOT of time in Turkey in the 70s, but pronouncing words Turkishly (?) doesn't come easy any more.

Instead I thought of dates, figs, and pomegranates before settling on olives.
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Re: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by seaborgium » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:47 am

AFRET CMS wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:08 am
Elijah Baley wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:23 pm
alietr wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:08 pm
Am I crazy, or did Alex pronounce Cerasus with a hard c? That led me further away from the answer.
He did, but that made it sound more like cherries than I was pronouncing it in my head from reading the clue in the NY Times. Even if I waited until hearing him say it, I would still have been thinking anything but cherries, however - just seemed too unlikely to be a Turkish staple.

Is c generally pronounced like k in Latin? It's been decades for me.
If I'd been thinking of the Turkish pronunciation, it might have come clearer for me. In modern Turkish, a C is pronounced like a cross between the "dj" in "adjust" and a "ch" diphthong. Incirlik Air Base outside of Adana is pronounced approximately "injure-lick," Cigli Airport serving Izmer is more like "Chilly," and the current president Recep Erdogan's first name is close to "Redjep." If Cerasus uses the Turkish pronunciation, "cherry" is a lot more gettable. Spent a LOT of time in Turkey in the 70s, but pronouncing words Turkishly (?) doesn't come easy any more.

Instead I thought of dates, figs, and pomegranates before settling on olives.
Cerasus is the Greek name, transliterated more directly as Kerasous. In Turkish the place is called Giresun, which starts with a hard G.

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Re: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by BigDaddyMatty » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:06 am

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I'm ticked at myself for missing this one. I wrote down dates as a starting point and then worked on Cerasus. About halfway through the Think Music, I made the connection to cereza, so I knew that had to be what they were going for. Like many of you, though, I've never heard of any connection between Turkey and cherries, so I just couldn't pull the trigger.
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Re: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by TenPoundHammer » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:54 pm

OrangeSAM wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:37 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:26 pm
9021amyers wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:23 pm

To be blunt, the type of person who has never shown any curiosity to where common expressions came from, is not someone who is going to succeed on Jeopardy! You have to know things, and you have to be capable of some deductible reasoning to fill in the gaps you don’t know.
Blah blah blah vintager. That must be someone who deals in antiques right?
I call BS.

Let me lay this on you:
"Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord.
He is stamping out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored..."
You must have sung this scores of times and have learned to play this on organ.
But I never stopped to think what "vintage" means in that context, since the other 99,999,999 times I've seen that word, it meant something else.
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Re: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by OrangeSAM » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:11 am

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:54 pm
OrangeSAM wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:37 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:26 pm
9021amyers wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:23 pm

To be blunt, the type of person who has never shown any curiosity to where common expressions came from, is not someone who is going to succeed on Jeopardy! You have to know things, and you have to be capable of some deductible reasoning to fill in the gaps you don’t know.
Blah blah blah vintager. That must be someone who deals in antiques right?
I call BS.

Let me lay this on you:
"Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord.
He is stamping out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored..."
You must have sung this scores of times and have learned to play this on organ.
But I never stopped to think what "vintage" means in that context, since the other 99,999,999 times I've seen that word, it meant something else.
Hold on. Given "trampling" and "grapes", what might the end product be?? Orange juice?

There's a classic "I Love Lucy" scene with Lucy and Ethel trampling grapes at a vineyard. Look it up.
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Re: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by TenPoundHammer » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:34 am

OrangeSAM wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:11 am
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:54 pm
OrangeSAM wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:37 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:26 pm
9021amyers wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:23 pm

To be blunt, the type of person who has never shown any curiosity to where common expressions came from, is not someone who is going to succeed on Jeopardy! You have to know things, and you have to be capable of some deductible reasoning to fill in the gaps you don’t know.
Blah blah blah vintager. That must be someone who deals in antiques right?
I call BS.

Let me lay this on you:
"Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord.
He is stamping out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored..."
You must have sung this scores of times and have learned to play this on organ.
But I never stopped to think what "vintage" means in that context, since the other 99,999,999 times I've seen that word, it meant something else.
Hold on. Given "trampling" and "grapes", what might the end product be?? Orange juice?

There's a classic "I Love Lucy" scene with Lucy and Ethel trampling grapes at a vineyard. Look it up.
Oh, I got that it was wine. I just didn't get that "vintage" was a wine term.
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