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Thursday, December 13, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

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Post by theFJguy » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:58 pm

FINAL JEOPARDY! CATEGORY
19th CENTURY AUTHORS

FINAL JEOPARDY! CLUE
In the preface to a book of his stories, he thanks a herpetologist of Upper India & an elephant named Bahadur Shah

Elana Schor: 10800+10800=21600
Faris Alikhan: 17200+5500=22700 (New Champ)
Mary Kate Moriarty: minus 400

Correct response:
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Rudyard Kipling

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Faris: 3200-3200
Faris: 9200+2000
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Elana: 10800
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Mary Kate: 400

Combined: 31,600

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Elana: 4000
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Re: Thursday, December 13, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by MarkBarrett » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:59 pm

Another two right by the players on the FJ! clue although the hard way this time with Mary Kate not participating.

I knew there was no way it would be a 61-clue game when I wrote the categories and noticed how many long-worded ones there were in the game. Too many, writers. Shorten your work, please.

The FJ! category narrowed the century and the country area in the clue seemed to pinpoint the guy to guess. Not that I would have considered Lewis Carroll anyway, but I play the J!6 before the game to get the categories ahead of time and he was in the RIPPER one.

With nothing better to do I tried to think of any possible wrong guess that a contestant or board members could have and I only had Edgar Rice Burroughs. After time was up and for laughs I thought of Lemony Snicket in recalling the word “herpetologist” in one of his books.

Faris had ample cushion for his lead even after he lost the farm on DD1. He was a little more cautious on DD2 with just the standard 2K.

The champ carousel is spinning as Elana’s chance to put the brakes on was to find DD3 and go big again. She will have to visit to let us know if she would have known the author suspect or not. A find by her around the time of DD2 would probably not have mattered as the game was closer at that time.

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Re: Thursday, December 13, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by boson » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:50 pm

19th century authors is a bad category title for this final: Kipling was 35 in 1900, and a lot of his work was written in the 20th century. If you know the answer, it probably won't throw you off, but it still seems odd.

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Post by Elijah Baley » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:25 pm

boson wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:50 pm
19th century authors is a bad category title for this final: Kipling was 35 in 1900, and a lot of his work was written in the 20th century. If you know the answer, it probably won't throw you off, but it still seems odd.
I agree. It was an instaget but I spent the rest of the time wondering about the dates and if the clue wasn't as blindingly simple as it seemed.

"World Authors" might have been a better category title. It may not square up completely, but it's a bit like calling J.K. Rowling a 20th century author.

And yet they did the same thing on the final DD clue.

Or maybe there's some convention that dictates going with the earlier century when an author spans two of them?

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Post by Plactus » Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:23 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:59 pm
The FJ! category narrowed the century and the country area in the clue seemed to pinpoint the guy to guess. Not that I would have considered Lewis Carroll anyway, but I play the J!6 before the game to get the categories ahead of time and he was in the RIPPER one.

With nothing better to do I tried to think of any possible wrong guess that a contestant or board members could have and I only had Edgar Rice Burroughs. After time was up and for laughs I thought of Lemony Snicket in recalling the word “herpetologist” in one of his books.
Playing off Clue of the Day, my first thought off "herpetologist" was Doyle, whom I would have ruled out after he came up during DJ! The rest of the clue led to the correct answer, thankfully.

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Re: Thursday, December 13, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by Lefty » Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:17 pm

boson wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:50 pm
19th century authors is a bad category title for this final: Kipling was 35 in 1900, and a lot of his work was written in the 20th century. If you know the answer, it probably won't throw you off, but it still seems odd.
I assume the preface quoted was from Jungle Book, which is 19th century. I was also surprised they chose to label the category so, but I think it's too much to expect that all straddlers be off consideration from century categories. Of course, it did help that everything else about the clue points so plainly to Kipling.

Edit--on rereading, I can see Doyle as a guess, though it probably wouldn't take Sherlock Holmes to solve a case involving elephants.
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Post by TenPoundHammer » Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:30 pm

Surprised myself by running the TV category.

NHO "prizefight" as a noun, although I have heard "prizefighter".

The "lords" clue was so twisted that I couldn't figure out what they were asking for, even with the 12 Days of Christmas theme in mind, so I went all but $200 there.

Criminal law is a thing?

Snakes and elephants + 19th century author = ??????

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Re: Thursday, December 13, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by opusthepenguin » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:30 pm

Well, congrats to Faris but I do hope he'll get in the rhythm of the game for the next show. He kept pausing before calling for the next clue... by its full name. I was hoping we'd see that last Shakespeare opera clue so I could run the category, and with a little more zippiness in clue-calling, I think we would have. That aside, Faris turned in an impressive performance and earned his win.
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On the other hand, I suspect Andy from yesterday would have eaten him alive.
Funny to see "prize fight" turn into a TS when the category spotted them "fight" and they just had to come up with a kind of boxing match that involves money for the winner.

Less funny to see a clue that was basically "the French word for hello" turn into two misses before Elana gets it right. Especially painful to see poor Mary Kate freeze up when she needed that clue to avoid the walk of shame. I really felt bad for her.

Kipling seemed obvious for FJ and I spent time brainstorming other possibilities with nothing coming to mind. The category pegging the century actually help a little bit. Without it I might have considered Orwell but almost certainly would have stuck with Kipling.

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:34 pm

opusthepenguin wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:30 pm
Funny to see "prize fight" turn into a TS when the category spotted them "fight" and they just had to come up with a kind of boxing match that involves money for the winner.
I don't know about the others, but I've never encountered the word "prizefight" by itself, just "prizefighter". Maybe they had the same knowledge gap.
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Post by mxc_takeshi » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:24 pm

34 right.

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Post by JayK33 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:14 pm

Instaget FJ. Congrats to new champ.

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Re: Thursday, December 13, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by davey » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:37 pm

Lefty wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:17 pm
boson wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:50 pm
19th century authors is a bad category title for this final: Kipling was 35 in 1900, and a lot of his work was written in the 20th century. If you know the answer, it probably won't throw you off, but it still seems odd.
I assume the preface quoted was from Jungle Book, which is 19th century. I was also surprised they chose to label the category so, but I think it's too much to expect that all straddlers be off consideration from century categories. Of course, it did help that everything else about the clue points so plainly to Kipling.

Edit--on rereading, I can see Doyle as a guess, though it probably wouldn't take Sherlock Holmes to solve a case involving elephants.
Yes, it's from The Jungle Book.
http://www.telelib.com/authors/K/Kiplin ... eface.html
I suspect we were intended to go from India and animals to The Jungle Book and stop. The Conan Doyle reference in the DD distracted me more since Sherlock Holmes had a whole second act in the 20th C.
From discussion we've had here, "World Authors" would likely point to a writer in another language...

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Re: Thursday, December 13, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by Volante » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:55 pm

opusthepenguin wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:30 pm
Funny to see "prize fight" turn into a TS when the category spotted them "fight" and they just had to come up with a kind of boxing match that involves money for the winner.
I got flummoxed trying to think what they called the prize itself, like 'fight purse'

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Re: Thursday, December 13, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by alietr » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:53 am

Volante wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:55 pm
opusthepenguin wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:30 pm
Funny to see "prize fight" turn into a TS when the category spotted them "fight" and they just had to come up with a kind of boxing match that involves money for the winner.
I got flummoxed trying to think what they called the prize itself, like 'fight purse'
I said purse fight and wasn't sure whether to give it to myself or not. I was leaning towards doing so.

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Re: Thursday, December 13, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by Elijah Baley » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:15 am

davey wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:37 pm
Lefty wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:17 pm
boson wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:50 pm
19th century authors is a bad category title for this final: Kipling was 35 in 1900, and a lot of his work was written in the 20th century. If you know the answer, it probably won't throw you off, but it still seems odd.
I assume the preface quoted was from Jungle Book, which is 19th century. I was also surprised they chose to label the category so, but I think it's too much to expect that all straddlers be off consideration from century categories. Of course, it did help that everything else about the clue points so plainly to Kipling.

Edit--on rereading, I can see Doyle as a guess, though it probably wouldn't take Sherlock Holmes to solve a case involving elephants.
Yes, it's from The Jungle Book.
http://www.telelib.com/authors/K/Kiplin ... eface.html
I suspect we were intended to go from India and animals to The Jungle Book and stop. The Conan Doyle reference in the DD distracted me more since Sherlock Holmes had a whole second act in the 20th C.
From discussion we've had here, "World Authors" would likely point to a writer in another language...
Good point about the flaw with "World Authors." Maybe they thought "British Authors" would narrow it down to much, but I still think there's a problem trying to pigeon hole authors in one century when they clearly wrote in two.

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Re: Thursday, December 13, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by billiej » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:22 am

alietr wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:53 am
Volante wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:55 pm
opusthepenguin wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:30 pm
Funny to see "prize fight" turn into a TS when the category spotted them "fight" and they just had to come up with a kind of boxing match that involves money for the winner.
I got flummoxed trying to think what they called the prize itself, like 'fight purse'
I said purse fight and wasn't sure whether to give it to myself or not. I was leaning towards doing so.
Let me know what you decide, so I can give myself credit with a clear conscience. :lol:

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Re: Thursday, December 13, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by John Boy » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:23 am

FWIW I also got sidetracked thinking of "purse" instead of "prize" (-fighter). Ended up standing and staring, which is just as well. I've heard tittering over the notion that two heavyweight boxers would be brawling over a purse...and a belt. Not that I'd say it to their faces.... :roll:

Got only three TSs in this game, once again because I'm old enough to remember Queen Victoria's personal physician, the faux pas of the French royal court, and papyrus. OK, well, maybe not that old, but....

Too bad for Mary Kate. anyone who is knowledgeable enough to pass the J! contestant quiz deserves to make some kind of showing when they get to Culver City. I imagine buzzer timing had something to do with it.

Aaaaaannnddd...the one-and-done carousel continues. How m any in a row is that now?

I don't know enough of the details of Kipling's biography to have been thrown off by the "19th-Century" part of the clue. I can see where that could raise question marks if you knew he live a good portion of his life in the 20th. Otherwise I thought the clue was clever and well written: something no one would be likely to know but definitely gettable from the TOM.

Congrats to Faris on a good, solid win.

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Re: Thursday, December 13, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by This Is Kirk! » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:26 am

I also said "purse" for the boxing clue.

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