Wednesday, January 23, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

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Re: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by alietr » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:42 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:12 pm
MasterCone wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:56 pm
In the 2 of 3 Are Vowels category, does Rachel appear to say "ill"? I assume the correct answer is ail, as ill doesn't fit the category, but I have listened a few times and just can't hear it.
I heard "ail" which is the correct response.

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There’s probably going to be some discussion online about this one. On the $1600 clue in 2 OF THE 3 LETTERS ARE VOWELS, it is apparent to me that the judges, by the fact that they did not take points away from Rachel, ruled that Rachel did say “ail” on that clue and not “ill”, in spite of what the closed captioning may claim. Closed captioning is not done by the show’s judges or own post-production staff, it is a service done these days by Los Angeles Distribution and Broadcasting, Inc. by a person who was not in studio at the time of taping, so occasional errors can creep in that way. Moreover, the judges have the ability to isolate each contestant’s audio specifically to determine precisely what was said, and that is a luxury that the home viewer does not have. I myself am perfectly satisfied by the judges’ decision, and I have spoken with others who also definitively heard “ail”.
I have no idea if the closed captioner goes back and changes things based on rulings from the judges, but I've noticed quite a few times where the captions accurately reflect a subtle mistake by the contestant that the judges catch later.

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Re: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by TenPoundHammer » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:54 pm

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Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:42 pm
I have no idea if the closed captioner goes back and changes things based on rulings from the judges, but I've noticed quite a few times where the captions accurately reflect a subtle mistake by the contestant that the judges catch later.
Conversely, I've also seen them misspell "Joe Louis" and "Spanish moss" among other things. Nobody's perfect.
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Re: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by Category 13 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:09 pm

I precalled Duel would come up in 1970s TV Movies. :)
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Re: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by davey » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:11 pm

alietr wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:42 pm
MarkBarrett wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:12 pm
MasterCone wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:56 pm
In the 2 of 3 Are Vowels category, does Rachel appear to say "ill"? I assume the correct answer is ail, as ill doesn't fit the category, but I have listened a few times and just can't hear it.
I heard "ail" which is the correct response.

Andy's Thoughts from this posting: https://thejeopardyfan.com/2019/01/fina ... -2019.html

There’s probably going to be some discussion online about this one. On the $1600 clue in 2 OF THE 3 LETTERS ARE VOWELS, it is apparent to me that the judges, by the fact that they did not take points away from Rachel, ruled that Rachel did say “ail” on that clue and not “ill”, in spite of what the closed captioning may claim. Closed captioning is not done by the show’s judges or own post-production staff, it is a service done these days by Los Angeles Distribution and Broadcasting, Inc. by a person who was not in studio at the time of taping, so occasional errors can creep in that way. Moreover, the judges have the ability to isolate each contestant’s audio specifically to determine precisely what was said, and that is a luxury that the home viewer does not have. I myself am perfectly satisfied by the judges’ decision, and I have spoken with others who also definitively heard “ail”.
I have no idea if the closed captioner goes back and changes things based on rulings from the judges, but I've noticed quite a few times where the captions accurately reflect a subtle mistake by the contestant that the judges catch later.
Yes, if I'd had the captioning on I would have definitely expected an overturned ruling, since those "errors" are usually accurate to reflect the judges' opinion.
The presence in Rachel's voice of both vocal fry and uptalking made it ambiguous, but I wouldn't rule against her...
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:31 pm
Canadian writer took me first to Robertson Davies, whom I quickly rejected as not generally in the expected knowledge pool for Jeopardy. Next stop was Margaret Atwood and the other parts of the clue just fell into place. I had plenty of time to make sure that "this" was asking me for a title and not an author.
Yes, for J! purposes "famous Canadian novelist" has long defaulted to Atwood. Dozens of hits in the archive. Robertson Davies has 6 (with his name always in the clue), Mordecai Richler has 1.

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Re: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by twelvefootboy » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:58 am

Wow, what hit Haley! I thought she would stay a while. I knew it was Rachel's game from the FJ category - she seemed real strong at lit/cinema.

No firckin idea what Atwood is except where I get my chicken feed. I've heard "The Handmaid's Tale" and thought it was one of Chaucer's chapters. I don't know how you get this one short of reading the book - but someone mentioned a tv show, which is fair game. I could even read the book and not know I'd just read a dystopian novel unless it said within it "This is a dystopian story you are reading".

I thought she said "ill" and waited for the reversal. I couldn't pull ail, maybe would have answered "ale":).
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Re: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by JayK33 » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:59 am

Today was a bad J! day for me. Didn't blurt out some easy responses I should have, and had no good guess on FJ. Not only that, but for some reason I thought the clue was asking for the name of an author instead of a book..

Congrats to Rachel on her win. I know I was mostly complaining about John losing and being in last place on the ToC leaderboard yesterday, but Haley did well then and today.

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Post by mennoknight » Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:46 am

Heh, of course the man got the Atwood FJ wrong.
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Re: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by mikebdoss » Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:15 am

twelvefootboy wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:58 am

No firckin idea what Atwood is except where I get my chicken feed. I've heard "The Handmaid's Tale" and thought it was one of Chaucer's chapters. I don't know how you get this one short of reading the book - but someone mentioned a tv show, which is fair game. I could even read the book and not know I'd just read a dystopian novel unless it said within it "This is a dystopian story you are reading".
Beyond the TV show, women have been dressing up in the show's costume (red dress, cape, and hood) as a protest against various policies of the current American presidential administration. I didn't connect the dots in time for FJ, but it's got a lot of exposure lately.

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Re: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by Euphonium » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:01 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:09 pm
Euphonium wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:55 pm
...

Need a ruling: "Boo" as a 3-letter word for sweetheart, two of which are vowels? Like, I'm really really inclined to give myself credit, but maybe there's some subtlety I'm not picking up on.
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My preference is to let others be the judge since I often overlook things that matter for a ruling. No one else has checked in so I will give "boo" a yes. Now it will take two negs to take away the get from your Coryat.

To me the word "new" is not enough to pin to "bae" or to eliminate "boo" and the requirement for length and vowel structure is met. Count "boo."
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Re: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by twelvefootboy » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:19 pm

mikebdoss wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:15 am
twelvefootboy wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:58 am

No firckin idea what Atwood is except where I get my chicken feed. I've heard "The Handmaid's Tale" and thought it was one of Chaucer's chapters. I don't know how you get this one short of reading the book - but someone mentioned a tv show, which is fair game. I could even read the book and not know I'd just read a dystopian novel unless it said within it "This is a dystopian story you are reading".
Beyond the TV show, women have been dressing up in the show's costume (red dress, cape, and hood) as a protest against various policies of the current American presidential administration. I didn't connect the dots in time for FJ, but it's got a lot of exposure lately.
Thanks for the tip. I'm a feminist at heart and mind, but have lost touch with the political movement and symbolism. Hillary's loss is a generational setback. Our TV is only on for Jeopardy, NFL football, golf majors, and maybe a rerun sitcom now and then. Funny the wiki confirmed my Chaucer leap of faith.
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Re: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by billiej » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:29 pm

econgator wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:52 pm
Wouldn't have gotten this with 50 guesses. Nothing in the clue was of any help.

Same here, unfortunately. I know zilch about The Handmaid's Tale other than it's a TV show that's gotten some awards. I wasted all 30 seconds trying to think if someone attempted a 1984 sequel.

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Post by LucarioSnooperVixey » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:07 pm

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Post by Leander » Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:49 pm

The Handmaid’s Tale was also made into a mostly forgotten 1990 movie with a cast including Robert Duvall, Faye Dunaway and Natasha Richardson.

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Post by Spiny Norman » Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:58 pm

Were the writers trolling Jackie Fuchs with this clue?
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Re: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by AFRET CMS » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:20 pm

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Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:43 pm
Wasn't getting this Final in a million years either. Heard of Atwood and the novel/Hulu show in question, but that's about the extent of my knowledge of the work.
Agreed. For me, it is one of those "heard of, but know very little about it." The 1984 reference pointed to a future dystopia, but I knew nothing about the date of publication or the Canadian connection, and the name never came to mind. Blurted "Hunger Games" as time ran out for lack of anything better.
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Re: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by cthulhu » Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:58 pm

Leander wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:49 pm
The Handmaid’s Tale was also made into a mostly forgotten 1990 movie with a cast including Robert Duvall, Faye Dunaway and Natasha Richardson.
Agree the movie was forgettable, with the exception of Natasha Richardson - quite a presence, and more than held her own with Robert Duvall at the height of his acting powers.

I personally think the book is forgettable as well: I read it when it came out and was quite underwhelmed. I also think the attempts to connect it to US politics are risible. IMHO, a much better take on the whole “religious dictatorship” theme, predating Atwood’s book by decades, is the Robert Heinlein novella If This Goes On -, but his vision turned out to be just as spectacularly wrong at predicting as Atwood’s.

Oh, instaget FJ for me.

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Post by BigDaddyMatty » Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:08 pm

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Post by OrangeSAM » Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:12 am

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...I also think the attempts to connect it to US politics are risible. IMHO, a much better take on the whole “religious dictatorship” theme, predating Atwood’s book by decades, is the Robert Heinlein novella If This Goes On -, but his vision turned out to be just as spectacularly wrong at predicting as Atwood’s.
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Re: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by A drop of golden sun » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:51 am

I am a few weeks behind in watching Jeopardy! episodes stored on my DVR. Rachel DEFINITELY said "ill," and even if she said "ail" (which she didn't), Alex should have asked her to repeat her response to make sure of what she said. Alex did not do his job. I do NOT consider Rachel the rightful winner because she should have gone into Final Jeopardy with $3200 less (assuming she made the same wager on the Daily Double in the alternate universe in which she was ruled incorrect) and therefore behind Haley, who would have won. Alex should issue a mea culpa for not even asking Rachel to repeat her response to make sure she said "ail" (which she most definitely did NOT--I backed it up and rewatched it several times). If I were one of the judges, I might have let it slide on review because there is room for interpretation in what word she said; sometimes what is heard depends on the speaker's regional accent and you have to infer from the speaker's accent/pronunciation style to know for sure.

By not even asking Rachel to repeat her response so the judges could hear it again, Alex did a TERRIBLE job of hosting this show. Why doesn't Alex ever issue an apology when he royally screws up like this? Another example of when he screwed up is when he asked the contestant if he added an "s" to Burnside (he didn't, but he said he did because he thought Alex was implying that he should have).

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Re: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by A drop of golden sun » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:55 am

I got "The Handmaid's Tale" but I began writing with only about 5 seconds left in the music, not enough time to write it all down! I would have been ruled incorrect because the pen would have turned off before I completed it. If I had written "What is" while I was stumped I probably could have completed it!

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