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Re: Friday, March 1, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by opusthepenguin » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:20 am

StevenH wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 5:04 am
I was happy to get Pulp Fiction. I am not a big movie person, but I was all over that one. It did seem kind of YKITOYD, though the stacked field of Best Picture nominees for 1994 could have been a hint.
Even then, just guessing based on a movie's content, which film do you pick for "Son of a Preacher Man" and "Girl, You'll Be a Woman Soon"? Me, I'd go with Forrest Gump. So we're back to "kind of YKITOYD" as you say. I agree, down to the "kind of" qualifier. I didn't actually know it. But I knew the Tarantino vibe and his penchant for quirky classic song soundtrack choices that juxtapose ironically or just oddly with the onscreen action.

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Re: Friday, March 1, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by opusthepenguin » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:31 am

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Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:21 am
Get ready for a negative comment. I, for one, am glad to see Alex J. go. Watching him play annoys me, so intense and doesn't seem to enjoy the experience. On more than one occasion, he would hesitate (kill time) and then at last second blurt out the correct answer.
I don't think he's killing time. He's checking to make sure he's really got it right, that there isn't another better response, that he's parsed the clue correctly, etc. If I get on the show and uncover a DD, I hope I have the presence of mind to do the Alex Jacob Check. That would've saved my bacon on one of his DDs where my first thought was a confident "Who is Euclid?" Reading the clue one more time helped me focus on "THIS TWO-WORD BRANCH" and switch to "What is Euclidean GEOMETRY?"

I suspect TPTB were committed to uncovering all clues in this match. They didn't need to since, unlike in a quarterfinal match, leaving clues uncovered wouldn't unfairly disadvantage someone for a wildcard spot. If I'm right, I suspect the contestants knew this so that would eliminate a reason for Alex to kill time. Also if I'm right, I hope they continue this practice for the rest of the tournament and carry it right on back into regular play. They can rebuild the game. They have the technology. They can make it better than it was. Better, faster, more compelling. [cue theme music]

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Re: Friday, March 1, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by opusthepenguin » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:35 am

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Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:21 am
Boo on the wager. If you are playing by yourself, ok, but as a team player? I think it was foolhardy to say the least. There.
Why is it foolhardy to give your team their best chance at winning? The alternative is to take the "safe" route where Buzzy has a less likely path to victory but, hey, at least it'll be BUZZY'S fault if the team loses rather than Alex'.

(NOTE: per the Jeopardy! Style Sheet, I left the possessive S off that last word. It looks terrible that way.)

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Re: Friday, March 1, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by opusthepenguin » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:37 am

seaborgium wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:09 am
If Alex had done his standard $100 minimum on the second DD, here's how things would have looked entering FJ:

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Team Buzzy:     0 19100 19100 39000
Team Colby:  7600  7600 15200 22800
Team Austin: 5200  8900 14100 23000
Should the last column for Team Buzzy read 38200 or am I not understanding your chart?

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Re: Friday, March 1, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by opusthepenguin » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:43 am

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Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:47 am
That second DD was insane. I've watched Pulp Fiction multiple times and still couldn't get it. They could have picked more plot-relevant songs.
For Pulp Fiction I don't think they could have:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110912/soundtrack

Arguably though, if they'd picked Misirlou or Bustin' Surfboards, that would have made it easier. I remember the surf tracks from that movie better than anything else. They seemed so incongruously right.

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Re: Friday, March 1, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by opusthepenguin » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:44 am

morbeedo wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:06 pm
Man, I had a bad feeling on the SOUNDTRACK DD - that category was too wide open for me to feel any confidence. Would have bet $5, especially with a whopping $0 carryover score from Day 1. Pretty Woman came to mind, but I discarded it because 'woman' was already in the clue.
Also, Pretty Woman came out in 1990 so I knew Alex had to be wrong as soon as he said it. Other than that, it's a decent guess.

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Re: Friday, March 1, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by opusthepenguin » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:49 am

morbeedo wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:06 pm
I missed FJ. Presidential trivia is not my thing, so naturally I panicked and scribbled down a 20th c. election year. I only ended up off by 8 years. Agree that the 19th c. guesses made no sense. I mean, there's no reason why the last time couldn't be hundreds of years ago, but safe to assume the writers wouldn't make you go that far back
Sure they would if there's a suss-outable reason to go that far back. Especially in a tournament. In this case I made the same mistake as Buzzy. I went back to 1868 because I knew Grant had been a general and was elected based on his post-war popularity. The music was almost over by then--I'd panicked and flailed for most of it--so I mentally wrote down 1868. I just didn't get my thoughts organized enough to remember there was a more recent time when we'd elected a general based on his post-war popularity.

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Re: Friday, March 1, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by John Boy » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:52 am

CasketRomance wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:18 pm
weird...triple stumper and this was an instaget for me....also marking the 1st final jeopardy solve during this tournament for me
Also instaget here. I thought of Eisenhower immediately and had 1952 written down before he finished reading the clue, then spent 30 seconds trying to figure out how it couldn't be that easy and trying to come up with some other answer. It was, and I didn't, and for the first time in the tournament I had an instaget FJ solve that was a TS for the All-Star contestants.

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Re: Friday, March 1, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by seaborgium » Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:39 pm

opusthepenguin wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:37 am
seaborgium wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:09 am
If Alex had done his standard $100 minimum on the second DD, here's how things would have looked entering FJ:

Code: Select all

Team Buzzy:     0 19100 19100 39000
Team Colby:  7600  7600 15200 22800
Team Austin: 5200  8900 14100 23000
Should the last column for Team Buzzy read 38200 or am I not understanding your chart?
Yeah, I think I put 19500 in columns 2 and 3 at first, then corrected them without correcting column 4. Luckily the highest maximum score is largely irrelevant to the important calculations! But I'll fix it now. Thanks for pointing it out.

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Re: Friday, March 1, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by LucarioSnooperVixey » Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:18 pm

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Re: Friday, March 1, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by opusthepenguin » Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:26 pm

seaborgium wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:39 pm
opusthepenguin wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:37 am
seaborgium wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:09 am
If Alex had done his standard $100 minimum on the second DD, here's how things would have looked entering FJ:

Code: Select all

Team Buzzy:     0 19100 19100 39000
Team Colby:  7600  7600 15200 22800
Team Austin: 5200  8900 14100 23000
Should the last column for Team Buzzy read 38200 or am I not understanding your chart?
Yeah, I think I put 19500 in columns 2 and 3 at first, then corrected them without correcting column 4. Luckily the highest maximum score is largely irrelevant to the important calculations! But I'll fix it now. Thanks for pointing it out.
You've pointed out so many similar errors on my part over the years. It's a joy to finally return the favor. :lol:

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Re: Friday, March 1, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by Volante » Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:57 pm

opusthepenguin wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:43 am
chmmr wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:47 am
That second DD was insane. I've watched Pulp Fiction multiple times and still couldn't get it. They could have picked more plot-relevant songs.
For Pulp Fiction I don't think they could have:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110912/soundtrack

Arguably though, if they'd picked Misirlou or Bustin' Surfboards, that would have made it easier. I remember the surf tracks from that movie better than anything else. They seemed so incongruously right.
You Never Can Tell is the only song I can point to a still of the associated Pulp Fiction scene and say with 100% certainty: "That's where this played" (the dance competition)

I was right, though, on Girl You'll Be A Woman Soon, though: (Mia's OD) (That one was >90%) and I could place Son of a Preacher Man in the film, just not when (turns out it's when Vincent first meets Mia)

Misirlou and Bustin Surfboards, incidentally, would've skunked me unless it was an audio clue.

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Re: Friday, March 1, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by chmmr » Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:23 pm

opusthepenguin wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:43 am
chmmr wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:47 am
That second DD was insane. I've watched Pulp Fiction multiple times and still couldn't get it. They could have picked more plot-relevant songs.
For Pulp Fiction I don't think they could have:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110912/soundtrack

Arguably though, if they'd picked Misirlou or Bustin' Surfboards, that would have made it easier. I remember the surf tracks from that movie better than anything else. They seemed so incongruously right.
Fair point. I was thinking The Twist, but "Jack Rabbit Slims Twist Contest" is probably too much of a giveaway.

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Post by kprather895 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:26 pm

Buzzy made a fun observation on Twitter which I didn't notice until now. This wildcard match was a rematch between Buzzy, Alan, and Austin. Even more interesting, that trio is 0/12 in Final Jeopardy.

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Re: Friday, March 1, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by Volante » Sat Mar 02, 2019 5:05 pm

chmmr wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:23 pm
opusthepenguin wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:43 am
chmmr wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:47 am
That second DD was insane. I've watched Pulp Fiction multiple times and still couldn't get it. They could have picked more plot-relevant songs.
For Pulp Fiction I don't think they could have:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110912/soundtrack

Arguably though, if they'd picked Misirlou or Bustin' Surfboards, that would have made it easier. I remember the surf tracks from that movie better than anything else. They seemed so incongruously right.
Fair point. I was thinking The Twist, but "Jack Rabbit Slims Twist Contest" is probably too much of a giveaway.
Except it wasn't "The Twist", it was "You Never Can Tell"

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Re: Friday, March 1, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by alietr » Sat Mar 02, 2019 5:23 pm

Volante wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 5:05 pm
chmmr wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:23 pm
opusthepenguin wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:43 am
chmmr wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:47 am
That second DD was insane. I've watched Pulp Fiction multiple times and still couldn't get it. They could have picked more plot-relevant songs.
For Pulp Fiction I don't think they could have:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110912/soundtrack

Arguably though, if they'd picked Misirlou or Bustin' Surfboards, that would have made it easier. I remember the surf tracks from that movie better than anything else. They seemed so incongruously right.
Fair point. I was thinking The Twist, but "Jack Rabbit Slims Twist Contest" is probably too much of a giveaway.
Except it wasn't "The Twist", it was "You Never Can Tell"
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Re: Friday, March 1, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by cheezguyty » Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:47 pm

Picked Off wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:04 am
With apologies for not being current on the literature, has anyone crunched the numbers for the get rate on super tourney finals vs. regular games? Anecdotally, in this tournament it seems safer to bet on not knowing final than vice versa. Obviously, that is easy to say after two days of triple stumpers.
Here are the FJ get rates for every tournament featuring returning players:

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48.28% -  14/29  - 1985 ToC
34.48% -  10/29  - 1986 ToC
57.14% -  16/28  - 1987 ToC
50.00% -  15/30  - 1988 ToC
30.00% -   9/30  - 1989 ToC
36.67% -  11/30  - 1990 ToC
63.33% -  19/30  - 1991 ToC
43.33% -  13/30  - 1992 ToC
26.67% -   4/15  - 1993 10th Anniv.
60.00% -  18/30  - 1993 ToC
46.67% -  14/30  - 1994 ToC
70.00% -  21/30  - 1995 ToC
54.55% -   6/11  - 1996 Olympic Games
58.62% -  17/29  - 1996 ToC
57.14% -   8/14  - 1997 Int'l Tournament
40.00% -   6/15  - 1998 Teen Reunion
50.00% -  15/30  - 1998 ToC
66.67% -  20/30  - 1999 ToC
36.67% -  11/30  - 2000 ToC
33.33% -   5/15  - 2001 Int'l Championship
36.67% -  11/30  - 2001 ToC
66.67% -  20/30  - 2002 M$M
46.43% -  13/28  - 2003 ToC
50.00% -  15/30  - 2004 ToC
52.67% -  69/131 - 2005 UToC Round 1
51.85% -  28/54  - 2005 UToC Round 2
50.00% -   9/18  - 2005 UToC Round 3
50.00% -   6/12  - 2005 UToC Round 4
55.56% -   5/ 9  - 2005 UToC Round 5
58.62% -  17/29  - 2006 ToC
41.38% -  12/29  - 2007 ToC
40.00% -  12/30  - 2009 ToC
57.14% -  24/42  - 2009-10 MDCI
33.33% -  10/30  - 2010 ToC
43.33% -  13/30  - 2011 ToC
60.00% -  18/30  - 2013 ToC
53.33% -   8/15  - BotD 80s
35.71% -   5/14  - BotD 90s
26.67% -   4/15  - BotD 00s
41.38% -  12/29  - BotD final rounds
48.28% -  14/29  - 2014 ToC
33.33% -  10/30  - 2015 ToC
43.33% -  13/30  - 2017 ToC
38.89% -   7/18  - 2019 All-Star Games (through the wildcard match)
The overall get rate for those tournaments is 48.29% (607/1257). The FJ get rate for the last 428 regular-play games is 49.20% (618/1256).

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Post by Picked Off » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:26 pm

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Post by Golf » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:31 pm

flemmingfan wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:21 am
Get ready for a negative comment. I, for one, am glad to see Alex J. go. Watching him play annoys me, so intense and doesn't seem to enjoy the experience. On more than one occasion, he would hesitate (kill time) and then at last second blurt out the correct answer. I'm referring to his previous appearances also. But this time, it didn't work for him. I thought he had run out of time on a few of those (and this) occasion(s). I had the impression that he knew the answer right off but wanted the drama.
Boo on the wager. If you are playing by yourself, ok, but as a team player? I think it was foolhardy to say the least. There.
Every one is entitled to their opinion. But it's odd to dislike a contestant that plays to win, actually thinks about answers rather than just blurting something out, and gives him and his team the best chance to win by wagering optimally.

And by the way, he does enjoy his experience. He is intense and competition is fun for those types.

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Re: Friday, March 1, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by chmmr » Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:06 am

cheezguyty wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:47 pm
The overall get rate for those tournaments is 48.29% (607/1257). The FJ get rate for the last 428 regular-play games is 49.20% (618/1256).
Way closer than i thought it would be. kudos to the writers for keeping it level :)
Golf wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:31 pm
Every one is entitled to their opinion. But it's odd to dislike a contestant that plays to win, actually thinks about answers rather than just blurting something out, and gives him and his team the best chance to win by wagering optimally.

And by the way, he does enjoy his experience. He is intense and competition is fun for those types.
Yeah, with how well he plays + how much he posts on Twitter, it's hard to imagine Alex not loving Jeopardy. He is polite, quick, hides a lot of information.

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