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Re: Friday, March 29, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by hbomb1947 » Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:46 pm

LucarioSnooperVixey wrote:
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Who (or What) else could it be? The list is:
Peter Pan
Little Lord Fauntleroy
Velveteen Rabbit
Oliver Twist
Little Prince
Tom Sawyer
Jim Hawkins
Peter Pan was from the early 1900's. Charles Dickens died in 1870 and Oliver Twist wasn't published posthumously. Velveteen Rabbit and Little Prince I know for sure were much later than that.
And Little Lord Fauntleroy was published in 1885-86, and Tom Sawyer in 1876 . . .

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Post by davey » Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:09 pm

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I don't think either "Oliver Twist" or "Tom Sawyer" would be considered 'children's books.' They're fine guesses other than that niggling issue.

I thought of Peter Pan at first, but decided Pinocchio was the better guess because of the year as much as anything. I was pretty sure Peter Pan was from the 20th century.
I wouldn't think that Tom Sawyer ever became a "good boy," or that Oliver Twist was ever anything but.
But I guessed Peter Pan, so I have little room to criticize. I was thinking there was one version of the story where Peter came back from Neverland to live with Wendy, though that violates the spirit of the work...
I hear a g after Natasha's first long o of Modigliani - Mog -dili... - I think she might have got away with the altered vowel in the 4th syllable, at least the first time...I'm glad Alex gave her the chance to correct a possible stumble, though...

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Post by cthulhu » Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:00 pm

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Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:38 am
Writers: Blank you and your Drew Pearson clues! There have been other instances of that play. Just don't use Aaron Rodgers as the substitute either.
The last-second Staubach-to-Pearson completion and TD to beat the Vikings is the play that became known almost immediately as the “Hail Mary”, in part because Staubach’s devout Catholicism was well-known. It’s become a more general term in the years following, and not everyone knows the original.

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Post by Jeopardy_fan » Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:16 pm

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A different one for the BMS game. Just Fett was fine. I've only seen two movies in the series and even I know there is more than one Fett.
There is, but both flew that ship so it didn't matter which was answered.

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:37 pm

The pastor in church today talked about "sacrifices" in baseball, and I STILL missed that clue.

What was the TOM for Asia in Continental for $200?

All but Taurus in Zodiac and balloon in Nouns/Verbs.

I had no idea what made a Subaru a Subaru, but I do know what makes a Volkswagen a Volkswagen. Weird when $200 is my only miss.

I should've known "keep" from a computer RPG called TaskMaker, but the word eluded me. I had three negs in that category.

All but Don Quixote in Sci-Fi.

I saw no way to figure out "vicious" in the top box. There are lots and lots and lots of adjectives for a snarling dog.

Instaget FJ! How was this a TS?!
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Re: Friday, March 29, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by seaborgium » Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:03 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:37 pm
What was the TOM for Asia in Continental for $200?
Indian foods, Indian place name.
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:37 pm
I saw no way to figure out "vicious" in the top box. There are lots and lots and lots of adjectives for a snarling dog.
They basically gave "virtue : virtuous :: vice : _____" and you focused on the non–1-to-1 part of the clue.

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:29 pm

seaborgium wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:03 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:37 pm
What was the TOM for Asia in Continental for $200?
Indian foods, Indian place name.
Ah, another freaking "sounds like" clue.
seaborgium wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:03 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:37 pm
I saw no way to figure out "vicious" in the top box. There are lots and lots and lots of adjectives for a snarling dog.
They basically gave "virtue : virtuous :: vice : _____" and you focused on the non–1-to-1 part of the clue.

That one threw me since "vice" and "vicious" are pronounced differently and I never noticed the connection.
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Post by jeff6286 » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:45 am

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:29 pm
seaborgium wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:03 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:37 pm
What was the TOM for Asia in Continental for $200?
Indian foods, Indian place name.
Ah, another freaking "sounds like" clue.
Where do you get that?

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:46 am

jeff6286 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:45 am
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:29 pm
seaborgium wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:03 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:37 pm
What was the TOM for Asia in Continental for $200?
Indian foods, Indian place name.
Ah, another freaking "sounds like" clue.
Where do you get that?
"Mango lasi & dahi vada at Chutney's in Hyderabad"

I see no way to tell that any of those are Indian in origin. They could be from literally anywhere.
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Post by Mathew5000 » Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:47 am

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:46 am
"Mango lasi & dahi vada at Chutney's in Hyderabad"

I see no way to tell that any of those are Indian in origin. They could be from literally anywhere.
I concede that "dahi vada" is pretty obscure. I eat vegetarian Indian food pretty often, and I've travelled in India, but have never heard of dahi vada. However, the first word in the clue is "mango". Even if the terms "lassi", "dahi vada", "chutney", and "Hyderabad" are meaningless to you, you should know that mango is a fruit associated with Asia, not any other continent. (And the category requires you to provide the continent, not the country.)
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Post by jeff6286 » Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:48 am

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:46 am
jeff6286 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:45 am
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:29 pm
seaborgium wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:03 pm
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:37 pm
What was the TOM for Asia in Continental for $200?
Indian foods, Indian place name.
Ah, another freaking "sounds like" clue.
Where do you get that?
"Mango lasi & dahi vada at Chutney's in Hyderabad"

I see no way to tell that any of those are Indian in origin. They could be from literally anywhere.
Right, sometimes you have to know things. It's not a TOM, it's knowledge. You could know either of the dishes is Indian, or you could know Chutney is a condiment in Indian cooking, or you could know Hyderabad is a city in India. If you don't know any of those then either you pass on the clue or you take a 1 in 6 guess. (I don't think Antarctica is known for a lot of indigenous cuisine.) No one said anything about "sounds like".

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Post by twelvefootboy » Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:47 am

jeff6286 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:48 am
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:46 am
jeff6286 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:45 am
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:29 pm
seaborgium wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:03 pm

Indian foods, Indian place name.
Ah, another freaking "sounds like" clue.
Where do you get that?
"Mango lasi & dahi vada at Chutney's in Hyderabad"

I see no way to tell that any of those are Indian in origin. They could be from literally anywhere.
Right, sometimes you have to know things. It's not a TOM, it's knowledge. You could know either of the dishes is Indian, or you could know Chutney is a condiment in Indian cooking, or you could know Hyderabad is a city in India. If you don't know any of those then either you pass on the clue or you take a 1 in 6 guess. (I don't think Antarctica is known for a lot of indigenous cuisine.) No one said anything about "sounds like".
FWIW, I thought Hyderabad sounded Paki (I guess from Islamabad?), and the gibberish in front was just Lorem Ipsum speaking in tongue syllables. So, Asia still works, but plenty of doubt to CLAM for this one.
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Post by TenPoundHammer » Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:50 am

jeff6286 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:48 am
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:46 am
jeff6286 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:45 am
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:29 pm
seaborgium wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:03 pm

Indian foods, Indian place name.
Ah, another freaking "sounds like" clue.
Where do you get that?
"Mango lasi & dahi vada at Chutney's in Hyderabad"

I see no way to tell that any of those are Indian in origin. They could be from literally anywhere.
Right, sometimes you have to know things. It's not a TOM, it's knowledge. You could know either of the dishes is Indian, or you could know Chutney is a condiment in Indian cooking, or you could know Hyderabad is a city in India. If you don't know any of those then either you pass on the clue or you take a 1 in 6 guess. (I don't think Antarctica is known for a lot of indigenous cuisine.) No one said anything about "sounds like".
Neither "mango lasi" nor "dahi vida" has any prior hits in the archive, and "Hyderabad" only two. I doubt that any of those are commonplace enough to be pinned to anywhere. They might as well be liederkranz to 99.9999999% of the population.
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Post by Jeopardy_fan » Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:17 pm

cthulhu wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:00 pm
MarkBarrett wrote:
Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:38 am
There have been other instances of that play.
The last-second Staubach-to-Pearson completion and TD to beat the Vikings is the play that became known almost immediately as the “Hail Mary”
Yes, the clue was about The Hail Mary, a specific historical play (such as The Immaculate Reception, The Holy Roller, etc) but unlike those others the term has become generalized for a type of play so you have to check if it's prefaced with 'the' or 'a' to know what someone is referring to.

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Post by jeff6286 » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:35 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:50 am
jeff6286 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:48 am
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:46 am
jeff6286 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:45 am
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:29 pm


Ah, another freaking "sounds like" clue.
Where do you get that?
"Mango lasi & dahi vada at Chutney's in Hyderabad"

I see no way to tell that any of those are Indian in origin. They could be from literally anywhere.
Right, sometimes you have to know things. It's not a TOM, it's knowledge. You could know either of the dishes is Indian, or you could know Chutney is a condiment in Indian cooking, or you could know Hyderabad is a city in India. If you don't know any of those then either you pass on the clue or you take a 1 in 6 guess. (I don't think Antarctica is known for a lot of indigenous cuisine.) No one said anything about "sounds like".
Neither "mango lasi" nor "dahi vida" has any prior hits in the archive, and "Hyderabad" only two. I doubt that any of those are commonplace enough to be pinned to anywhere. They might as well be liederkranz to 99.9999999% of the population.
But unlike you, most of the other 99% of the population is willing to look at all of the words in the clue and use the ones that help them rather than just throw their hands up as soon as they see one that they don’t recognize. I noticed that you didn’t mention how many archive hits there are for chutney. There are 20. Most of them mention mango or India or something related to India, like curry or Hindu.

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Post by MarkBarrett » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:38 pm

Jeopardy_fan wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:17 pm
cthulhu wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:00 pm
MarkBarrett wrote:
Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:38 am
There have been other instances of that play.
The last-second Staubach-to-Pearson completion and TD to beat the Vikings is the play that became known almost immediately as the “Hail Mary”
Yes, the clue was about The Hail Mary, a specific historical play (such as The Immaculate Reception, The Holy Roller, etc) but unlike those others the term has become generalized for a type of play so you have to check if it's prefaced with 'the' or 'a' to know what someone is referring to.
All I ask is that the next time the writers want Hail Mary for a football clue they make it the A and the The. That way it can be some other team, QB and receiver for the glory. Give me the Vikings & Kramer to Rashad.

The Friday clue did not have to go the specific painful Pearson route and could have been more generic to open the playbook to dozens of other connections whether pro or college.

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:46 pm

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But unlike you, most of the other 99% of the population is willing to look at all of the words in the clue and use the ones that help them rather than just throw their hands up as soon as they see one that they don’t recognize. I noticed that you didn’t mention how many archive hits there are for chutney. There are 20. Most of them mention mango or India or something related to India, like curry or Hindu.
20 is still an incredibly low number for a supposedly Pavlovian food.
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Post by seaborgium » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:58 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:29 pm
seaborgium wrote:
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TenPoundHammer wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:37 pm
What was the TOM for Asia in Continental for $200?
Indian foods, Indian place name.
Ah, another freaking "sounds like" clue.
Yeah, no. The mango is Asian, and all place names ending in -abad are Asian (save for one Trinidadian city named after an Indian one).

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:04 pm

seaborgium wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:58 pm
Yeah, no. The mango is Asian, and all place names ending in -abad are Asian (save for one Trinidadian city named after an Indian one).
I still think this clue requires far, FAR deeper knowledge than is normal for a $200 box. IMO poutine should've been $200.
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Post by seaborgium » Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:07 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:04 pm
seaborgium wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:58 pm
Yeah, no. The mango is Asian, and all place names ending in -abad are Asian (save for one Trinidadian city named after an Indian one).
I still think this clue requires far, FAR deeper knowledge than is normal for a $200 box. IMO poutine should've been $200.
Poutine certainly could have been $200, but other than that, again I say, "Yeah, no."

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