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Re: Monday, April 1, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by Linear Gnome » Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:21 am

morbeedo wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:41 pm
cinemaniax7 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:39 pm
The “12 labors” angle never occurred to me until Alex mentioned it. But it was an instaget because I remembered reading “The Cretan Bull” when I was going through my Hercule Poirot phase.
That's what makes Jeopardy! so great! I had Poirot based on "mysteries" and the date - kept looking for the TOM
Yes, I did the same thing--tried to think of a male mystery guy from about the right period and came up with Poirot. Maybe I got a subliminal hint from the clue that led me away from some of the other possibilities and toward Poirot.

edit 1: Incidentally, I've never seen it spelled any way other than Hippolyta. Variant or error? edit 2: Hyppolita is definitely the way it appeared in the clue (not a transcription error). edit 3: clarification.
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Re: Monday, April 1, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by mikebdoss » Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:22 am

My wife and I liked the smorgasbordello response so much, we bought www.smorgasbordello.com.

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Post by davey » Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:49 am

II'd love to see an FJ clue about Ellery Queen or Nero Wolfe (or even Lord Peter Wimsey or Roderick Alleyn) but I figured this had to be Poirot even though I didn't quite recognize the titles or the Hercules connection...

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Post by LucarioSnooperVixey » Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:52 am

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As far as I know, Reid's Coryat of $25,600 is the highest ever losing Coryat is it not? At least after the doubled clue amounts?
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Re: Monday, April 1, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by seaborgium » Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:55 am

LucarioSnooperVixey wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:52 am
57 R (Missed Nathan and Symbionese Liberation Army.)
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As far as I know, Reid's Coryat of $25,600 is the highest ever losing Coryat is it not? At least after the doubled clue amounts?
I've just looked through all the post-doubled seasons' stats pages on J! Archive, which each include the highest nonwinning Coryat of their respective season, and although most of them do get into the mid-twenties range, yes, $25,600 is the highest since the clue values doubled. But in the last season before the doubling, Bob Waterfall logged a $14,000 Coryat and lost. I suspect Karl Coryat's last game might be pretty high too. [edit: never mind, it was $11,100. I'll be looking through the stats pages for the remaining seasons.]

edit 2:
Richard Kind, $13,000 (Celebrity Jeopardy)
Bob Willoughby, $13,300 (all the more tragic considering this loss kept him out of the ToC)
(Michael Daunt had a $13,700 Coryat in the first game of the International Tournament finals and didn't finish that game in first place, but he got FJ right and surely would have won in a regular game)

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Post by Lefty » Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:20 am

Funny that in a game featuring a whole category of them that the word "portmanteau" appears only in a different category to mislabel "supermax".
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Post by Category 13 » Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:26 am

I breathed a sigh of relief when Steven got the correct FJ and wagered properly. Bigger relief when Reid got FJ wrong.
I've been rooting for Steven to win at least 5 games. It was looking like Reid was going to knock him off for a while. He sure was sharp in the MULTILINGUAL OVERLAPS. It would have taken me more than 15 seconds to figure any of them out, if at all.
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Post by threearruda » Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:38 am

Glad that Steven won again (good luck tonight, champ!), but I feel bad for Reid. A quick glance of the Archive shows that he might have put up the highest-nonwinning Coryat in, at least, the past decade. Curious to know where he stands in terms of show history, I just don't have time to look.

For FJ, wrote Marlowe first and then switched to Poirot toward the end. Did not make the Hercules connection until very late.
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Post by OntarioQuizzer » Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:45 am

Linear Gnome wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:21 am
edit 1: Incidentally, I've never seen it spelled any way other than Hippolyta. Variant or error? edit 2: Hyppolita is definitely the way it appeared in the clue (not a transcription error). edit 3: clarification.
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Re: Monday, April 1, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by JayK33 » Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:53 am

Hercule Poirot crossed my mind, but I was 50/50 with him and someone else. I went with the someone else.

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Post by doriko » Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:25 am

by mikebdoss » Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:22 pm

My wife and I liked the smorgasbordello response so much, we bought www.smorgasbordello.com.
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Re: Monday, April 1, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by John Boy » Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:27 am

cinemaniax7 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:39 pm
The “12 labors” angle never occurred to me until Alex mentioned it. But it was an instaget because I remembered reading “The Cretan Bull” when I was going through my Hercule Poirot phase.
I'm with you, pal. 12 Labors never entered my mind. I also got this right based on the "mystery" angle and date. Felt really stupid for not catching the TOM at the reveal.

I saw Steven's first game on Wednesday but missed Th. and Fr. due to basketball preemption. He looks awfully strong here, although I thought he was on the way out going into FJ. Lucky for him Reid clanked on FJ. Holmes was off by what, 50 years?

LT on Yahoo and Symbionese Liberation Army, the latter of which shows once again how "being of a certain age" can SOMETIMES be a nice advantage.

Now to see if Steven can lock up a ToC berth tonight.

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Post by seaborgium » Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:04 pm

threearruda wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:38 am
Glad that Steven won again (good luck tonight, champ!), but I feel bad for Reid. A quick glance of the Archive shows that he might have put up the highest-nonwinning Coryat in, at least, the past decade. Curious to know where he stands in terms of show history, I just don't have time to look.
Do you have time to scroll up three posts from yours? Right now I have Reid's Coryat as third-highest in a losing effort in a regular game*, and the highest since clue values were doubled.

*Since J! Archive's stats page only shows the highest nonwinning Coryat for each season, my method of finding records higher than Reid's was not exhaustive. That is to say, there could be someone during Bob Willoughby's season who got a Coryat between $12,800 and $13,300, or one who got between $12,800 and $14,000 during Bob Waterfall's season, and I couldn't find them with my method. But I have confirmed it is a record for the latter half of the show's history.

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Post by twelvefootboy » Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:11 pm

BigDaddyMatty wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:08 am

What a brilliantly, beautifully constructed FJ! clue.
The clue:
FINAL JEOPARDY! CLUE
In a 1947 collection he solved 12 mysteries, including “The Cretan Bull” & “The Girdle of Hyppolita”

I'm not a big fan of the clue, mainly the word "collection". Was it a compilation of previous years of work? Did Christie (J! Pavlov) write 12 books in a year? 12 chapters? How do we know the "he" was contemporary to 1947? Were the titles metaphors, or the actual 12 Labors?

I decided I'd rather miss with the Hercules TOM over the mystery writer TOM. Got my wish.
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Post by CyrusChan » Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:17 pm

mikebdoss wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:22 am
My wife and I liked the smorgasbordello response so much, we bought www.smorgasbordello.com.
haha good one!

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Re: Monday, April 1, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by threearruda » Tue Apr 02, 2019 3:45 pm

seaborgium wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:04 pm
threearruda wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:38 am
Glad that Steven won again (good luck tonight, champ!), but I feel bad for Reid. A quick glance of the Archive shows that he might have put up the highest-nonwinning Coryat in, at least, the past decade. Curious to know where he stands in terms of show history, I just don't have time to look.
Do you have time to scroll up three posts from yours? Right now I have Reid's Coryat as third-highest in a losing effort in a regular game*, and the highest since clue values were doubled.

*Since J! Archive's stats page only shows the highest nonwinning Coryat for each season, my method of finding records higher than Reid's was not exhaustive. That is to say, there could be someone during Bob Willoughby's season who got a Coryat between $12,800 and $13,300, or one who got between $12,800 and $14,000 during Bob Waterfall's season, and I couldn't find them with my method. But I have confirmed it is a record for the latter half of the show's history.
My apologies, Sg.. close reading and the early morning don't go together sometimes. :oops:

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Post by morbeedo » Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:14 pm

Did that question about the heart really require a 4-part response, i.e. RA, LA, RV, LV? What a mouthful!

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:05 pm

I think at least two of my friends have been to Dragon Con.

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Post by BigDaddyMatty » Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:47 pm

twelvefootboy wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:11 pm
BigDaddyMatty wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:08 am

What a brilliantly, beautifully constructed FJ! clue.
The clue:
FINAL JEOPARDY! CLUE
In a 1947 collection he solved 12 mysteries, including “The Cretan Bull” & “The Girdle of Hyppolita”

I'm not a big fan of the clue, mainly the word "collection". Was it a compilation of previous years of work? Did Christie (J! Pavlov) write 12 books in a year? 12 chapters? How do we know the "he" was contemporary to 1947? Were the titles metaphors, or the actual 12 Labors?
This seems like overthinking to me. The majority of FJ!s can be solved by figuring out what the TOM is and why the writers would have included it. Here, if you realize that those are labors of Hercules, the question is, what fictional mystery-solver has a connection to Hercules?
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Post by Stanislaus Jacob » Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:00 pm

twelvefootboy wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:11 pm
BigDaddyMatty wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:08 am

What a brilliantly, beautifully constructed FJ! clue.
The clue:
FINAL JEOPARDY! CLUE
In a 1947 collection he solved 12 mysteries, including “The Cretan Bull” & “The Girdle of Hyppolita”

I'm not a big fan of the clue, mainly the word "collection". Was it a compilation of previous years of work? Did Christie (J! Pavlov) write 12 books in a year? 12 chapters? How do we know the "he" was contemporary to 1947? Were the titles metaphors, or the actual 12 Labors?

I decided I'd rather miss with the Hercules TOM over the mystery writer TOM. Got my wish.

Just to belatedly answer these questions: twelve short stories, not twelve novels. I believe they were previously published in magazines. The twelve modern cases are supposed to parallel the twelve labo(u)rs in ways sometimes clever and sometimes strained.

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