Messages will return to Final
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Messages will return to Final
I know that during James's run TPTB changed the rules to prevent people from using Final to send greetings or messages. The ruling is that any such message will now be considered part of the contestant's response (which likely will make the response incorrect).
There's an easy workaround. Write your message of choice (after writing your correct response, of course), and then cross it out. Sooner or later someone will do this. --Bob
There's an easy workaround. Write your message of choice (after writing your correct response, of course), and then cross it out. Sooner or later someone will do this. --Bob
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this was mentioned in other threads soon after the ban of messagesBob78164 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:32 pm I know that during James's run TPTB changed the rules to prevent people from using Final to send greetings or messages. The ruling is that any such message will now be considered part of the contestant's response (which likely will make the response incorrect).
There's an easy workaround. Write your message of choice (after writing your correct response, of course), and then cross it out. Sooner or later someone will do this. --Bob
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What's our source on this?Bob78164 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:32 pm I know that during James's run TPTB changed the rules to prevent people from using Final to send greetings or messages. The ruling is that any such message will now be considered part of the contestant's response (which likely will make the response incorrect).
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That's how I incorporated a shoutout to my entire home state at the time.
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I believe the workaround to the workaround was also mentioned. Edit out the extraneous material in post-production so nobody outside of the studio sees it.CasketRomance wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:33 pmthis was mentioned in other threads soon after the ban of messagesBob78164 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:32 pm I know that during James's run TPTB changed the rules to prevent people from using Final to send greetings or messages. The ruling is that any such message will now be considered part of the contestant's response (which likely will make the response incorrect).
There's an easy workaround. Write your message of choice (after writing your correct response, of course), and then cross it out. Sooner or later someone will do this. --Bob
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Or edit it out in the booth then and there to not risk Alex commenting on it so that no one but the contestant and the production booth sees it.jeffwolfe wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:30 amI believe the workaround to the workaround was also mentioned. Edit out the extraneous material in post-production so nobody outside of the studio sees it.CasketRomance wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:33 pmthis was mentioned in other threads soon after the ban of messagesBob78164 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:32 pm I know that during James's run TPTB changed the rules to prevent people from using Final to send greetings or messages. The ruling is that any such message will now be considered part of the contestant's response (which likely will make the response incorrect).
There's an easy workaround. Write your message of choice (after writing your correct response, of course), and then cross it out. Sooner or later someone will do this. --Bob
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I'm betting they would not do digital editing, for legal reasons. If they are known to have ever digitally edited anything that a contestant has written in FJ, that might open the door to the possibility of (false) allegations that something has been altered if there's a dispute over what someone has written. If the public thought there was any chance that FJ responses have been edited, there would probably be more online nattering about the show being rigged, and there's too much of that kind of nonsense already.
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While the show needs to keep on moving, I could see that happening. The lights remain dim a while after the 30 seconds expires, and after everything has been verified, the lights go on again. The only problem is that the staff could still modify the actual response, even by accident.
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Or contestants edit it out in their heads and just never write it down in the first place because, I don't know, it's really not that hard...?dhkendall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:20 amOr edit it out in the booth then and there to not risk Alex commenting on it so that no one but the contestant and the production booth sees it.jeffwolfe wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:30 amI believe the workaround to the workaround was also mentioned. Edit out the extraneous material in post-production so nobody outside of the studio sees it.CasketRomance wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:33 pmthis was mentioned in other threads soon after the ban of messagesBob78164 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:32 pm I know that during James's run TPTB changed the rules to prevent people from using Final to send greetings or messages. The ruling is that any such message will now be considered part of the contestant's response (which likely will make the response incorrect).
There's an easy workaround. Write your message of choice (after writing your correct response, of course), and then cross it out. Sooner or later someone will do this. --Bob
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This, a thousand times this.pinkfreud wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:34 am I'm betting they would not do digital editing, for legal reasons. If they are known to have ever digitally edited anything that a contestant has written in FJ, that might open the door to the possibility of (false) allegations that something has been altered if there's a dispute over what someone has written. If the public thought there was any chance that FJ responses have been edited, there would probably be more online nattering about the show being rigged, and there's too much of that kind of nonsense already.
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There is no world in which they would throw away the original after editing. They would preserve the original and edit a copy for display/broadcast. I doubt this particular issue would be a serious concern for them. If the case ever made it to trial, they would show the original and copy and there goes the case. I am, however, not a lawyer.gnash wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:25 amThis, a thousand times this.pinkfreud wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:34 am I'm betting they would not do digital editing, for legal reasons. If they are known to have ever digitally edited anything that a contestant has written in FJ, that might open the door to the possibility of (false) allegations that something has been altered if there's a dispute over what someone has written. If the public thought there was any chance that FJ responses have been edited, there would probably be more online nattering about the show being rigged, and there's too much of that kind of nonsense already.
I doubt they would go to the time and expense of setting up in-studio editing, counting on the contestants playing nice with the new rules. Even if they're serious about stamping out shout-outs, they would presumably wait until there was a problem before taking action. Maybe they would edit, maybe they wouldn't bother. But the notion that they're powerless to stop an attempt to circumvent the rules is unpersuasive, considering they control the entire broadcast process and AFAIK contestants sign a legal release.
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My FJ response and wager as revealed in my sixth game were written by someone else. I might never have noticed it, except whoever did it respelled "eye" as "aye." I emailed Maggie asking about it, and she called me with an explanation, but she had laryngitis (or something else temporarily screwing up her voice) and spoke quickly and I didn't understand her, and I felt like I just had to be satisfied with the fact that it was explained at all.
(The wide shot after all the reveals showed our screens with our responses as we wrote them. Enrique had a drawing that didn't show up in the reveal.)
(The wide shot after all the reveals showed our screens with our responses as we wrote them. Enrique had a drawing that didn't show up in the reveal.)
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If the show is willing to pay me thousands of dollars for doing something I do on a weeknight in a bar for fun, I am going to try and follow their rules as much as I can without being troublesome. I guess I may not be good material for the show, because I would be so worried about getting Final Jeopardy! correct, however easy the clue is, that doing shoutouts would be the furthest thing from my mind.
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Wow, that's bizarre! I wonder if a technical glitch spoiled the reveal overlay and they had to re-create it? It seems relatively unproblematic as your actual screens were also displayed in the end. But still, quite a strange occurrence. And an surprisingly flagrant post-production error.seaborgium wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:43 pm My FJ response and wager as revealed in my sixth game were written by someone else. I might never have noticed it, except whoever did it respelled "eye" as "aye." I emailed Maggie asking about it, and she called me with an explanation, but she had laryngitis (or something else temporarily screwing up her voice) and spoke quickly and I didn't understand her, and I felt like I just had to be satisfied with the fact that it was explained at all.
(The wide shot after all the reveals showed our screens with our responses as we wrote them. Enrique had a drawing that didn't show up in the reveal.)